Grubauer on waivers.
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This is fantastic news.
Where should we celebrate? A parade? Fireworks?
It feels like a moment in franchise history.
Where should we celebrate? A parade? Fireworks?
It feels like a moment in franchise history.
Fistfullofbeer
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Don't think he gets claimed. I would think they bring up Stetzka for now and see if there is a cheap backup available.
Fuhrious
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I actually don't think he gets claimed and don't think he'll go down right away. I suspect this is a "hey if anyone wants him, get him off our books" move by Francis but otherwise he'll hang around for the rest of the season and get bought out this summer.
The Marquis
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You have to feel for the guy, Vezina candidate to AHLer in 3.7 seasons. Frankly, it's a monumental moment for the club because it needs to be time to move on. It didn't work and really it only worked for part of one season (Martin Jones was responsible for most of those early wins in season 2).
He's far from the first guy making as much as he does to get sent down. It feels more likely for it to happen to a goalie. Seems like a nice guy, but bummer stuff happens to nice people all the time if they don't get the job done. If his job was to be a nice guy, he'd seemingly be great at his job.
lol
He's far from the first guy making as much as he does to get sent down. It feels more likely for it to happen to a goalie. Seems like a nice guy, but bummer stuff happens to nice people all the time if they don't get the job done. If his job was to be a nice guy, he'd seemingly be great at his job.
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The Marquis
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You really think they are just going to send him down to bring him right back up when nobody takes him? Why wouldn't they try and help him improve while giving somebody else a shot?
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He'll always have that play off run where he was good I guess
Fistfullofbeer
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They don't need to, but it would be asinine to waive him just as a hail mary. Management/ownership has to be deluded if they think he gets picked up. With how cap strapped we are, any savings are going to help when Gourde and Eberle return.
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I also don’t think Stezka has done anything this season in CV to indicate he’s an NHL caliber goaltender. A .902 sv% tells me he’s basically keeping the seat warm for Kokko to take over down there full time next season.
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So why do it then? It’s absolutely a Hail Mary. Option A, some numbskull GM claims him. Option B, maybe he goes down and plays a few games in CV and comes back up. Option C, he rides pine for the rest of the season as Daccords backup.
Either B or C are perfectly palatable if Francis already knows he’s buying him out at the end of the season. Regardless he costs the team exactly the same cap hit whether it’s in Seattle or CV.
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Fistfullofbeer
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Why? I just said why. Cap savings. He is bad enough that it is detrimental to the teams confidence having him play.
This is to do with what you want to show/tell the team. If you keep Gru, it's a signal for the team that we are in for the tank since we cannot expect Daccord to play all the games. If the team still wants to win, you need to show the players that they know Gru is not the right person in net.
This is to do with what you want to show/tell the team. If you keep Gru, it's a signal for the team that we are in for the tank since we cannot expect Daccord to play all the games. If the team still wants to win, you need to show the players that they know Gru is not the right person in net.
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Who is “somebody else”? Stezka has been below average even for the AHL. He’s also 28 years old, he’s not some burgeoning prospect.
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What cap savings? He’s not on a 2-way deal. He hits the cap for $5.9m whether it’s in Seattle or CV. The only way they save money on this is if some thunderdunce claims him.
Am I misunderstanding what you’re saying here? I feel like there is a decent chance that there is?
Fistfullofbeer
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Do you think waiving him and letting him stay up here as a backup serve any purpose at all? All it does is show the team that they are unwilling to try anything. If they bring Stezka up and he fails, its still better because he is not exactly expected to be great. At the same time, give Gru some starts in CV and see if he can improve.
The cap savings would be minimal (I things its between 750K - 1M), but it would still be better than healthy scratching him as carrying 3 goalies, even if its Stezka we bought up, is a challenge given our cap situation.
The Marquis
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Absolutely nobody specific and not even in the NHL specifically. I'd kinda think it would be best if Grubauer played in the ECHL for my old buddy Tad O'had. That way you get a shift up for everybody and anybody just to at least get Kokko a few more starts in CV. I mean, ANYTHING ffs. ANYTHING. Also, Stezka can't really be any worse, and hell, we're going to end up a Top 8 pick anyway, at least this would get Kokko more starts.
You aren't wrong though, we don't really have anybody, but because of how bad this season looks, it doesn't really matter.
The Marquis
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I was saying to myself "Man, I really need SOMETHING interesting to happen today" then I robotically logged onto this board seconds later and saw this news. YOU ARE WELCOME! I projected this to happen.
True, but even if he’s bad at least it’s a new guy sucking, and maybe there is a glimmer of potential.
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Btw, despite not watching the highlights, it was impossible to not see the Lacombe goal all over social media today.
I heartily disagree.
You don't think putting a guy on waivers doesn't "show the team" something? I'd argue that it ABSOLUTELY does, specifically "there is a bottom threshold at which point we'll just offer you to the other teams for free". You think it does this team any good to have players like Sprong and potentially Grubauer down there taking TOI away from players like Sale, Nyman, Firkus, and now possibly Kokko?
I heartily disagree.
Am I misunderstanding how this works? Why would there be 750k to 1M of cap savings?
This is the right move, I wish they’d done it sooner but at least they finally did it. Thanks for that playoff run Gru, good times.
It's not. They know he isn't getting claimed.
There might be a big decision that they're just absolutely done with Grubauer, or perhaps they're going to be monitoring how he does in CV.
I think this is probably it. I think it's possible that this decision was forced by the team leaders. There have probably been some meetings about why the club is so listless, and I imagine they've communicated to the FO that their morale is getting crushed with Grubauer in net.
Fistfullofbeer
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That is how burying NHL contracts in the AHL works: puckpedia.com/salary-cap/minimum-nhl-salary-buried-cap-hit
Also, talk is cheap. All "waiving" him does is talking about it. It's not really making any change to the team. Sending him down makes an actual statement.
