Let’s not forget “she†wagered $75,000 on the Superbowl even though she didn’t know who was playing.wealthmanager said:Yeah, I'm sure Gretzky had no idea Janet withdrew $500,000 from their joint account to make football wagers.
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If that’s the case, then people need to stop giving him credit for the wins in ’02 and ’04. Because after all, it was the players who scored the goals that won the games.Unbiased Canadian said:
Exactly. Wayne gets all the glory when we win and none of the blame when we loose. What a joke.Dion Mustard said:
Towmater14
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Wrong thread my friend! Still sore about the world juniors?? What with the hate on for anything Canadian?Metallian said:
Gretzky's contribution to Hockey Canada goes well beyond the 2002 Olympic team. Before November 2000, when Gretzky was named executive director, nobody wanted to play for Canada at the World Championships. Gretzky came in and said right away that unless you're injured, you play at the Worlds, or it will be held against you when it comes time to pick the team. Suddenly, it became fashionable to play for Canada at the Worlds. (The only other time was in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when we were desperately trying to win it for the first time since 1961). And when guys got to the Worlds, they played their hearts out, instead of treating it as a way to pass time since they weren't in the playoffs. It's been a big part of our gold medals in 2003 and 2004.
As for this year's team: so much talent, so little concept of the team. You can blame Gretzky for picking players with no team concept, but in the end, I'd say any one of us would have picked at least 80 per cent the same players. I'd guess this team would need at least a 75 to 80 per cent shake up to make it further than this squad.
As for this year's team: so much talent, so little concept of the team. You can blame Gretzky for picking players with no team concept, but in the end, I'd say any one of us would have picked at least 80 per cent the same players. I'd guess this team would need at least a 75 to 80 per cent shake up to make it further than this squad.
Dion Mustard said:
Yup I agree.....the players deserve the credit when they win....and when they lose.
Wayne just gives them a chance...they need to run with it.
I don't really think it takes much skill to pick the Canadian national team. He's a nice guy and what not but the way the media and the fans were treating him as a genius in 2002 was sickening. The fact is that they didn't win because of him nor did they lose because of him in 2006.
SammyTheBull
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Truth be told, I think the title of this thread needs to be changed from the Gretzky appreciation thread, to the Lemieux appreciation thread.
Because it seems Canada can’t win at the Olympics or the World Cup without Mario.
Because it seems Canada can’t win at the Olympics or the World Cup without Mario.
Dion Mustard said:
Yes, they lost one year in the quarterfinals, therefore they cannot win without Lemieux ever. They should just pull out of all future olympics, world championships, world cups, and world juniors. Also, Gretzky should be put to death. Only then would bitter gretzky haters be happy. Actually, then they would probably complain that he died too arrogantly because people would then be sad, and say nice things about him.
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wealthmanager said:But you guys are forgetting.
CANADA was thoroughly embarrased.
We were totally outplayed. Our skill level wasn't even close to Russia. The Coaching was useless and couldn't inspire the players we had.
Russia has a great team, and I understand anyone can loose in a one game elimination, but the only way Canada gets this badly embarrased at hockey is if there is a colosal failure at the top.
I don't know if Russia badly embarassed us
jfont
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Gretzky has had a really tough year. I feel sorry for. His mother dies, his grandmother dies, gambling allegations, now this. It must suck for him
Better players and a better put together team. And it seemed like they were also much more into it.OCD said:
Exactly. If this was a real GM job would hockey canada have handed it over to Gretz without and GM experiance?ScottyBowman said:
Jazz
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Irresponsible statement.Metallian said:
2002 Olympic Gold Medal
2003 IIHF World Champions
2004 IIHF World Champions
2004 World Cup Champions...
You base your results on a sample size of 1?Metallian said:
Bure has done a great job of revitalizing the Russian national team for this tournament, but before we can compare anything, let's wait a few more tournaments...
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Metallian said:
He's won 2 best-on-best tournaments and lost 1. Pretty good record if you ask me. If you weren't so worried about always trying to stir things up, maybe you would appreciate it as well.
Jazz
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He was not a part of the 2005 IHWC in Vienna - his mom was diagnosed with cancer at the time so he did not take part.Metallian said:
As I mentioned above, he was the Executive Director (or GM if you wanna call it) of the 2003 and 2004 IHWC Gold medal teams.
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I was watching Leno, and was amazed when it was cut short to the Olympics and lo and behold, they were talking about Canada's loss and it was just great.
It just seemed totally refreshing to have NBC talking about hockey. Bob Costas had a one-on-one interview with Gretzky and for once, asked him real questions about the loss, the state of hockey in North America, and at one point, respectfully put the pressure on him regarding the gambling and it was just great to avoid all the hockey cliches and cookie-cutter interviews that pass for the typical media. - In the end, Costas explained that those close to the case expect it to unravel, that perhaps the authorities were trying to catch a big fish once they learned of Janet's involvment and may have overeached. Tocchet himself may be cleared.
I can't imagine something similar coming out of a CBC or Canadian interview with Gretzky - he looked awfully uncomfortable, but was honest in his answers and Costas represented hockey pretty well. It was just great to hear Costas asking directly "what was missing?" "why did you lose?" "3 shut-outs" "did you need youth?" and just going for the right questions instead of walking around like in the typical Canadian hockey interview.
Gretzky explained in his NBC interview that the pressure on Team Canada was enourmous, that the team wasn't having fun whereas the Finns and other teams were. Sakic couldn't bear the entire burden and leaders like Steve and Mario were clearly missed. They were playing desperate hockey and just didn't get into the game.
Costas did get the part about Mario and Steve wrong though - he said that if Gretzky was that influential, he could've gotten them on the team and didn't realize that they were tops on Gretzky's list and both of them pulled out themselves.
In talking about the sport in the US, Gretzky identified himself more as an American, with his American family and commitments and all the teams he's played for in the past decade +.
It just seemed totally refreshing to have NBC talking about hockey. Bob Costas had a one-on-one interview with Gretzky and for once, asked him real questions about the loss, the state of hockey in North America, and at one point, respectfully put the pressure on him regarding the gambling and it was just great to avoid all the hockey cliches and cookie-cutter interviews that pass for the typical media. - In the end, Costas explained that those close to the case expect it to unravel, that perhaps the authorities were trying to catch a big fish once they learned of Janet's involvment and may have overeached. Tocchet himself may be cleared.
I can't imagine something similar coming out of a CBC or Canadian interview with Gretzky - he looked awfully uncomfortable, but was honest in his answers and Costas represented hockey pretty well. It was just great to hear Costas asking directly "what was missing?" "why did you lose?" "3 shut-outs" "did you need youth?" and just going for the right questions instead of walking around like in the typical Canadian hockey interview.
Gretzky explained in his NBC interview that the pressure on Team Canada was enourmous, that the team wasn't having fun whereas the Finns and other teams were. Sakic couldn't bear the entire burden and leaders like Steve and Mario were clearly missed. They were playing desperate hockey and just didn't get into the game.
Costas did get the part about Mario and Steve wrong though - he said that if Gretzky was that influential, he could've gotten them on the team and didn't realize that they were tops on Gretzky's list and both of them pulled out themselves.
In talking about the sport in the US, Gretzky identified himself more as an American, with his American family and commitments and all the teams he's played for in the past decade +.
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