Gravel signs

[Jason Lewis]

Hm. Good stuff Holden. It might just be a verbal agreement after all then.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

The big thing everyone is missing is that Gravel would have to sign the contract offer from other teams. And all things point to Gravel wanting to stay with the Kings and not sign any where else.

 

[kingsfan]

The big thing everyone is missing is that Gravel would have to sign the contract offer from other teams. And all things point to Gravel wanting to stay with the Kings and not sign any where else.

I think if Gravel got a decent offer financially he'd jump on it. He can stay with LA if he wants, but it's not like a position is guaranteed for him. I think the fact he's a UFA (in terms of an NHL deal) has more to do with a lack of offers than anything else. I doubt he's turning down NHL deals to stay in the Kings system.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

I think if Gravel got a decent offer financially he'd jump on it. He can stay with LA if he wants, but it's not like a position is guaranteed for him. I think the fact he's a UFA (in terms of an NHL deal) has more to do with a lack of offers than anything else. I doubt he's turning down NHL deals to stay in the Kings system.

I don't know if he's turning down deals or not, but the fact that he's still around makes me think he wants to be in the system. He could have told his agent to find him a deal but it doesn't seem that way. All we know is that he has said that he wants to learn how to play defense better and he likes how the Kings system has helped other players grow their game.

 

[kingsfan]

I don't know if he's turning down deals or not, but the fact that he's still around makes me think he wants to be in the system. He could have told his agent to find him a deal but it doesn't seem that way. All we know is that he has said that he wants to learn how to play defense better and he likes how the Kings system has helped other players grow their game.

Based on what? A lack of a contract doesn't mean he wasn't/isn't looking for one.

 

[BallPointHammer]

Why would LA have to release his Manchester contract? He signed a contract with Manchester, not LA. Manchester would have to release him.

I agree with Holden on this.

AEG owns the Kings and the Monarchs.

 

[BallPointHammer]

Good for him.

There's several factors here. Again like I said this could be a "unwritten rule" type of situation which wasn't properly conveyed to Rosen. Could be they told Rosen that teams needed permission because it was such a strong unwritten rule they feel it's fact. Hell Kings could flat out be wrong.

All I know is that this has happened before and can happen again (AHL contracted player signing with another NHL team). I don't exactly have time to find the CBA stuff again, but Gravel is a NHL UFA. He can sign with any team at any time.

As I stated, Gravel would become an NHL UFA when his AHL contract with Manchester ends. Who knows when technically Los Angeles can sign him to an NHL contract - any time during his AHL contract or after it ends.

There would be no reason at all for the Kings to have Gravel play for the Monarchs in the first place if at any time during the upcoming season he could just up and sign with another NHL team and leave.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

As I stated, Gravel would become an NHL UFA when his AHL contract with Manchester ends. Who knows when technically Los Angeles can sign him to an NHL contract - any time during his AHL contract or after it ends.

There would be no reason at all for the Kings to have Gravel play for the Monarchs in the first place if at any time during the upcoming season he could just up and sign with another NHL team and leave.

Nope. Gravel is currently an NHL UFA. And yes at any time he can up and sign with another NHL team. An AHL contract can be overridden at any time by an NHL deal. Kings no longer hold Gravel's rights via draft rights.

This is the type of move you make with a player you are not quite convinced is going to be a real prospect. Jets did the same thing with John Albert. Atlanta pick they let him become UFA then signed him to AHL St. John's IceCaps. He ended up playing 2 years with them as a NHL UFA before the Jets signed him before the 2013-14 season.

 

[kingsfan]

AEG owns the Kings and the Monarchs.

So? Manchester is not AEG. LA and Manchetser are owned by the same company, that's it. They are in two different league, one does not impact the other in terms of a contract in this case at all.

As I stated, Gravel would become an NHL UFA when his AHL contract with Manchester ends. Who knows when technically Los Angeles can sign him to an NHL contract - any time during his AHL contract or after it ends.

There would be no reason at all for the Kings to have Gravel play for the Monarchs in the first place if at any time during the upcoming season he could just up and sign with another NHL team and leave.

AHL only contracts don't count against the NHL teams 50 contract limit because those players have zero contractual affiliation with any NHL team. if you could sign guys to AHL only deals but also still retain their rights AND not have the contract count against the 50 contract limit, teams would be signing dozens of undrafted players to these types of deals all the time.

LA does not, in any way, own Gravel's rights right now. Maybe Gravel wants to stay in the system similar to the situation Holden posted above but Gravel is free to sign on with any NHL team he wants to right now.

 

[BallPointHammer]

So? Manchester is not AEG. LA and Manchetser are owned by the same company, that's it. They are in two different league, one does not impact the other in terms of a contract in this case at all.



AHL only contracts don't count against the NHL teams 50 contract limit because those players have zero contractual affiliation with any NHL team. if you could sign guys to AHL only deals but also still retain their rights AND not have the contract count against the 50 contract limit, teams would be signing dozens of undrafted players to these types of deals all the time.

LA does not, in any way, own Gravel's rights right now. Maybe Gravel wants to stay in the system similar to the situation Holden posted above but Gravel is free to sign on with any NHL team he wants to right now.

The Monarchs aren't going to make any player transactions that aren't in line with what the Kings want to do. They are a part of the Kings organization. Their general manager is an employee of the Kings. That's why I pointed out that AEG owns both teams.

I find it hard to believe the Kings would invest further in Gravel's development if he could walk at any time. I don't absolutely know the answer to this debate. I'm just trying to follow and understand the logic of the whole thing - which for me became much clearer in the article.

My overall point has nothing to do with the 50 player roster limit. Yes, he will be an NHL UFA and the Kings are one of 30 NHL teams that could sign him to an NHL contract when he becomes an NHL UFA, that is when his AHL contract expires. That's what the article stated and that information came from the Kings. If he can be released from his AHL contract at any time during the season, than the Monarchs would do that at the Kings request. He could then sign with any team, including the Kings. That's what makes sense to me.

If the Kings come out and say that Gravel can sign with any NHL team at any time going forward, and therefore be released from his obligations to the Monarchs, than fine.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Hmmm, so I've done some digging. Although I can swear I've seen it in the past, it is possible a player with an AHL SPC cannot be signed by any NHL team. Couple of vague things in that direction and there's nothing specific in NHL CBA or excepts of AHL CBA that I can find.

 

[Trolfoli]

Hmmm, so I've done some digging. Although I can swear I've seen it in the past, it is possible a player with an AHL SPC cannot be signed by any NHL team. Couple of vague things in that direction and there's nothing specific in NHL CBA or excepts of AHL CBA that I can find.

Could be the Kings found something, or got some clarification from the league doing all the contract dispute stuff with Prokhorkin. Their comment about the NHL respecting contracts of different leagues sound like something out of that fight.

 

[BallPointHammer]

Hmmm, so I've done some digging. Although I can swear I've seen it in the past, it is possible a player with an AHL SPC cannot be signed by any NHL team. Couple of vague things in that direction and there's nothing specific in NHL CBA or excepts of AHL CBA that I can find.

Maybe buried in CBA legalese that addresses the scenario but doesn't include an explanation in plain english. Or there is a side agreement. Whatever, hope he makes the Kings some day.