Confirmed with Link: Granlund + Ceci to Dallas for 2025 1st and 2025 conditional 4th (WPG)

[Grinner]

I guess, but i dont see people saying that about Celebrini, or anyone who isn't a proven winner. I see them saying intangible things that are backed by his play, like he's a 200ft player, is strong on the puck for his size, has elite skating, etc. Your Benson attributes are accurate, but it seems premature to assign a "guy you win with" tag on him. You say that about a guy like M Tkachuk, who has those attributes and actually is a proven winner at every level. Similarly, all those attributes also describe Jumbo, who you would never add a winner tag to.

I don't think negatively about Benson, my point, and why i asked this question, is that I am super cautious of former Sabres property, especially career Sabres, and am unsure why people are quick to give career Sabres any sort of charitable break, or in this case, ascribe as to something they when they havent earned it. The Sabres are going backwards, after all (unlike the Sharks).


I hear you, but i'm not sold on the idea that just because it worked for Eichel (2OA), Reinhart (2OA), ROR (elite defensive forward before BUF), it will work for guys with far lower pedigrees. To be more direct, a guy like Cozens, a career Sabre, scares me as a target, because at best he's a 2nd line player and at worst he eats cap space and blocks a homegrown C talent from getting reps.

Smart teams add these "distressed" assets while in pursuit of a cup and these pieces can be surrounded by talent, not with tons of holes in the lineup. We aren't in that position.

Also, Zadorov, McNabb, and Borgen all played under one season's worth of games Buffalo, idk why they are relevant here. I also don't see how they could be "much maligned" in such a short period of time on a dogshit team. PLUS, Zadorov was traded for ROR, Borgen was an expansion draft pick, and McNabb was traded while in the AHL. These players are only relevant if we're talking about trading for Kulich or Helenius.

Again, all of this is to say, I am extremely cautious about picking fruit from the Sabres' rotted tree

Cozens is a winger being shoehorn into being a center

 

[spintops]

I disagree with Peng. He says Grandlund wanted to stay and wasn't asking for 6-7 years. Was he asking for 5? Even 4 is probably too much for me. He was great for us but I'm not resigning a 33 year old for 5 years just because he wanted to stay even if I appreciate everything he did for the locker room.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I guess, but i dont see people saying that about Celebrini, or anyone who isn't a proven winner. I see them saying intangible things that are backed by his play, like he's a 200ft player, is strong on the puck for his size, has elite skating, etc. Your Benson attributes are accurate, but it seems premature to assign a "guy you win with" tag on him. You say that about a guy like M Tkachuk, who has those attributes and actually is a proven winner at every level. Similarly, all those attributes also describe Jumbo, who you would never add a winner tag to.

You don't think Celebrini is "the type of player you win with"? Just because he hasn't won anything yet doesn't make that not the case.

I don't think negatively about Benson, my point, and why i asked this question, is that I am super cautious of former Sabres property, especially career Sabres, and am unsure why people are quick to give career Sabres any sort of charitable break, or in this case, ascribe as to something they when they havent earned it. The Sabres are going backwards, after all (unlike the Sharks).


I hear you, but i'm not sold on the idea that just because it worked for Eichel (2OA), Reinhart (2OA), ROR (elite defensive forward before BUF), it will work for guys with far lower pedigrees. To be more direct, a guy like Cozens, a career Sabre, scares me as a target, because at best he's a 2nd line player and at worst he eats cap space and blocks a homegrown C talent from getting reps.

Smart teams add these "distressed" assets while in pursuit of a cup and these pieces can be surrounded by talent, not with tons of holes in the lineup. We aren't in that position.

Also, Zadorov, McNabb, and Borgen all played under one season's worth of games Buffalo, idk why they are relevant here. I also don't see how they could be "much maligned" in such a short period of time on a dogshit team. PLUS, Zadorov was traded for ROR, Borgen was an expansion draft pick, and McNabb was traded while in the AHL. These players are only relevant if we're talking about trading for Kulich or Helenius.

Again, all of this is to say, I am extremely cautious about picking fruit from the Sabres' rotted tree

Can you give me an example, other than Mittelstadt (who the jury is still out on) of a promising player acquired from the Sabres that wasn't any good after being traded?