Prospect Info: Grand Rapids Griffins Discussion

[Killerjas]

Stop this blasphemy about Big Willy getting traded. This kid has untapped offensive potential. Leave my boy alone

 

[heyfolks]

Admirals backup goalie shuts out the Griffs in the series-clinching game, eh? Ouch.

This.

Dumb and dumber penalties, give up a short handed goal and can't pot a single goal all in a deciding game 5. This isn't as easy as saying Edvinsson was out. IF he is THAT important to this team's performance, none of the other platitudes for players resonant.

I had a crappy stream and mostly listened to most of the game. It didn't sound good.


Kasper vs Danielson = One of them will be in Detroit next season.

Edvinsson will be on the roster.

Johansson on the roster of moved.

Berggren is one I go 5-/50 on. I think he might be moved.

Dark horse - If only Soderbloom played like he did in game 4 every game, he'd be in the NHL. I am thinking he might just get a 4th line shot next season.

 

[jaster]

After watching every playoff game, Mazur, Kasper and Johansson are ready to play in the NHL. Can Kasper start the year in GR again? Could, but it’s probably worth him playing in the bottom 6 in the NHL for the rest of his development. Same with Mazur. They’re both the types of players who can contribute in the bottom 6, and work their way up the depth chart. Unlike Berggren, who’s Top 6 or he’s likely hurting you.

The big takeaway prospect wise from the playoffs though? William Wallinder is much closer to the NHL than he was even 2-3 months ago. He was their best overall dman in the games Edvinsson didn’t play. Johansson defensively, but overall game? It was Wallinder. Tuomisto also has NHL written all over him. He’s not very far away either. Both, with a really good summer? Who knows.

These kids are getting close to decisions having to be made. Can they get away with another year in the AHL? 100%, but don’t be surprised if both play NHL games next season. In fact, they had a good enough playoffs that the odds of trading Johansson this summer, in a deal to better the NHL roster, have likley increased.

Speaking of trade value to better the NHL roster. Wallinder looked really good in the games he was asked to carry play on the backend. Guarantee other teams seen that too. There’s not very many NHL teams that have a dman prospect like him. They’d love to get their hands on him. So if Vegas for example, is going to trade Theodore this summer, or if Detroit wants to go after a player like Sharongovich, Cirelli or even a Konecny, those teams would much rather a William Wallinder be involved than let’s say a forward prospect.

So it gives the Wings options and advantages on the trade market, when you have dmen like this in your prospect pool. Usually teams won’t trade them. They can afford to in the right deals, because of what they have, and have coming.. They all won’t end up in Detroit. That’s a reality. At least 2 will be traded at some point early on, to help the NHL roster.

If other teams are this high on Wallinder, trade him immediately for superior value.

 

[Pavels Dog]

It wasn’t just Edvinsson and Johansson playing over him. Rafferty, Didier, and Newpower all did as well

Sure, but comparatively that's not exactly strange. Wallinder's young, an AHL rookie and played his first season on NA ice.

If you want a good GR team with many prospects on it, there's going to be some that don't get the top opportunities.

 

[Electric Eric]

Well they got a right coach behind the bench now, Simon never got them this far.

Not enough credit being given to the new coach IMO. The team stumbled out the gate but Dan was able not only right the ship but get them this far into the playoffs.

 

[Henkka]

So next season changes at defence:

Edvinsson & Johansson up.

Buium and and Gibson were signed, but Gibson has to return OHL.

I wonder if they keep the same core but will open some role for Viro, who was mostly at ECHL ?

Should they keep Simek, imo, he seemed one of the strongest players there, almost NHL-bound.

Should Tuomisto be the main Power-play cannon he once was, now when PP guys Edvinsson and Johansson were promoted?

Interesting to re-unite Shai Buium and Antti Tuomisto from Denver again.


PP
Tuomisto pp1
Wallinder pp2

PK
Simek - Buium
Viro - Rafferty

Potential Top6

Simek - Wallinder
Buium - Tuomisto
Viro - Rafferty

Simek is unsigned, but Rafferty has a contract.

Newpower? Didier? These extras could be anyone, there's no prospects competing against them.

 

[19 for president]

Loosing Ed and Aljo is going to be tough on this team, but hopefully Buium, Tuo, and Wally can have big years with more ice time.

I highly doubt more than 4 drafted dmen make the Wings consistently at one time, so I think we will hopefully have a lot of trade assets soon. With Ed and Seider on the team, and a guy like ASP in the wings that really leaves 1 long term spot available. I really like Aljo and think he is going to grab that by the horns but we'll see what happens.

 

[SantosHalper]

Should they keep Simek, imo, he seemed one of the strongest players there, almost NHL-bound.

Better question, does he want to return to AHL? Nearly 32-years old, there's whole bunch of teams in Europe lining up to get him. NHL-status and all.

 

[NickH8]

So next season changes at defence:

Edvinsson & Johansson up.

Buium and and Gibson were signed, but Gibson has to return OHL.

I wonder if they keep the same core but will open some role for Viro, who was mostly at ECHL ?

Should they keep Simek, imo, he seemed one of the strongest players there, almost NHL-bound.

Should Tuomisto be the main Power-play cannon he once was, now when PP guys Edvinsson and Johansson were promoted?

Interesting to re-unite Shai Buium and Antti Tuomisto from Denver again.


PP
Tuomisto pp1
Wallinder pp2

PK
Simek - Buium
Viro - Rafferty

Potential Top6

Simek - Wallinder
Buium - Tuomisto
Viro - Rafferty

Simek is unsigned, but Rafferty has a contract.

Newpower? Didier? These extras could be anyone, there's no prospects competing against them.

Viro didn't play at all in the ECHL this season. He's definitely going to get a bigger role as guys move up.

 

[PavelDatsyuk13DET]

Is ASP not eligible to play in the AHL next season?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

This.

Dumb and dumber penalties, give up a short handed goal and can't pot a single goal all in a deciding game 5. This isn't as easy as saying Edvinsson was out. IF he is THAT important to this team's performance, none of the other platitudes for players resonant.

I had a crappy stream and mostly listened to most of the game. It didn't sound good.


Kasper vs Danielson = One of them will be in Detroit next season.

Edvinsson will be on the roster.

Johansson on the roster of moved.

Berggren is one I go 5-/50 on. I think he might be moved.

Dark horse - If only Soderbloom played like he did in game 4 every game, he'd be in the NHL. I am thinking he might just get a 4th line shot next season.

You also have to consider that the Admirals were the 3rd best team in the AHL regular season. Griffins were the 13th. Their backup Troy Grosenick had a stellar season of his own.

But yeah, disappointing end to the Griffins season who looked like a potential cinderella team.

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If you look at the player stats for the team in the playoffs a lot of our kids did really well. Notably Berggren, Kasper, Mazur, and Johansson. Disappointing postseasons from Elmer with only 2 points, Edvinsson who dealt with injuries and missed 3 key games. (I think we lost each game he was out)

Most disappointing in Grand Rapids were a lot of the vets. Luff, Hirose, ZAR, Gettinger who combined for 1 goal and 5 points total. They were a combined minus 13!

That Griffins team was really let down by their veterans. I hope they do a better job of picking some high performing vets for the team. They are going to need it. Berggren, Mazur and Kasper could easily be in the NHL next year if Yzerman makes some hard choices and deals some of the dead weight on the roster.

 

[lilidk]

Is ASP not eligible to play in the AHL next season?

He could be in AHL last season

 

[Konnan511]

He could be in AHL last season

He could be in the AHL, but he won't be. I think there are already quotes floating around, even after the signing, that he is staying in the SHL.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

He could be in the AHL, but he won't be. I think there are already quotes floating around, even after the signing, that he is staying in the SHL.

ASP is staying in Skelleftea one more season. Then his D+3 he'll either be up in Detroit or on the farm in Grand Rapids. If Skelleftea doesn't go far in the postseason (or at all) then don't be surprised if ASP is in GR for the postseason. (if they can make it...)

 

[lilidk]

He could be in the AHL, but he won't be. I think there are already quotes floating around, even after the signing, that he is staying in the SHL.

I think he should skip AHL, just stay one or two extra seasons in SHL. Too many young defenseman already in GR.

 

[Henkka]

I think he should skip AHL, just stay one or two extra seasons in SHL. Too many young defenseman already in GR.

Yeah, it's a great way to get more PP quarterback slots for prospects to extend your farm to Europe.

 

[lilidk]

I think Lombardi is going to be second line center next season behind Czarnik

 

[Gniwder]

If other teams are this high on Wallinder, trade him immediately for superior value.

At best he'll fetch a 2nd rounder, how many Clevelands do we need?

He could be in AHL last season

Yes, there is an exemption in the SHL/NHL transfer agreement for first round picks.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

At best he'll fetch a 2nd rounder, how many Clevelands do we need?


Yes, there is an exemption in the SHL/NHL transfer agreement for first round picks.

No bullshit. For all the 2nds Detroit has used since 2017 we have these notable hits and misses...

Misses
Lindstrom, McIsaac, Niederbach, Hanas, James, Cleveland

Hits (maybe)
Berggren, Johansson, Wallinder, Augustine, Tuomisto, Buium

As guys with NHL potential.

I think Johansson could develop into a solid #4/5 guy. Augustine has starter goalie qualities to him. Berggren might become another Damien Brunner or another Mats Zucarrello. I'm 50/50 on Wallinder right now after a reaaaally slow adjustment to NA ice. Buium and Tuomisto are probably bottom pairing guys if they make it.

Gibson and Buchelnikov are big maybes to me.

2nd rounds have more value at the TDL or at the draft as trade chips than what Detroit has been blowing them on.

 

[Gniwder]

No bullshit. For all the 2nds Detroit has used since 2017 we have these notable hits and misses...

Misses
Lindstrom, McIsaac, Niederbach, Hanas, James, Cleveland

Hits (maybe)
Berggren, Johansson, Wallinder, Augustine, Tuomisto, Buium

As guys with NHL potential.

I think Johansson could develop into a solid #4/5 guy. Augustine has starter goalie qualities to him. Berggren might become another Damien Brunner or another Mats Zucarrello. I'm 50/50 on Wallinder right now after a reaaaally slow adjustment to NA ice. Buium and Tuomisto are probably bottom pairing guys if they make it.

Gibson and Buchelnikov are big maybes to me.

2nd rounds have more value at the TDL or at the draft as trade chips than what Detroit has been blowing them on.

I like Trey, and Buch is the right philosophy even if he doesn't make it. The maybe's all have low ceilings aside from those 2. Team doesn't need any more goalies or hard to play against D. Really wish Draper would focus on scoring with the 2nd rounder, and use a later pick for enforcer/physical presence guys like Rempe who was a 6th round pick.

I like physical defensemen, but if you're looking at all physical presence with no hockey skills, I'd prefer a forward over D. Otherwise the team is forced to play 7D to make up for that deficiency.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I like Trey, and Buch is the right philosophy even if he doesn't make it. The maybe's all have low ceilings aside from those 2. Team doesn't need any more goalies or hard to play against D. Really wish Draper would focus on scoring with the 2nd rounder, and use a later pick for enforcer/physical presence guys like Rempe who was a 6th round pick.

I like physical defensemen, but if you're looking at all physical presence with no hockey skills, I'd prefer a forward over D. Otherwise the team is forced to play 7D to make up for that deficiency.

Physical defensemen still have a place in the league, and are more affordable on ELCs and second contracts than as UFAs. I see the value in drafting them in the first and second to have this kind of player as a cost controlled asset. There’s also value in drafting guys that track as middle six forwards for the same reason.

My issue is when the picks are on guys like Cleveland or James or Lindstrom and Giovani Smith when anyone with eyes can tell they’re not going to be NHLers.

 

[Gniwder]

Physical defensemen still have a place in the league, and are more affordable on ELCs and second contracts than as UFAs. I see the value in drafting them in the first and second to have this kind of player as a cost controlled asset. There’s also value in drafting guys that track as middle six forwards for the same reason.

My issue is when the picks are on guys like Cleveland or James or Lindstrom and Giovani Smith when anyone with eyes can tell they’re not going to be NHLers.

I don't think we're disagreeing, lol.

Physical D is fine, physical guy that can't play hockey is not. Most of the pure enforcers with no hockey skills like Brashear/Grimson/Kocur were all forwards as is Rempe. Those guys all looked like they were using a 2x4 as a hockey stick.

 

[Konnan511]

No bullshit. For all the 2nds Detroit has used since 2017 we have these notable hits and misses...

Misses
Lindstrom, McIsaac, Niederbach, Hanas, James, Cleveland

Hits (maybe)
Berggren, Johansson, Wallinder, Augustine, Tuomisto, Buium

As guys with NHL potential.

I think Johansson could develop into a solid #4/5 guy. Augustine has starter goalie qualities to him. Berggren might become another Damien Brunner or another Mats Zucarrello. I'm 50/50 on Wallinder right now after a reaaaally slow adjustment to NA ice. Buium and Tuomisto are probably bottom pairing guys if they make it.

Gibson and Buchelnikov are big maybes to me.

2nd rounds have more value at the TDL or at the draft as trade chips than what Detroit has been blowing them on.

Odd, you didn't go back to 2016....

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Odd, you didn't go back to 2016....

That wasn't the first year of the rebuild. 2016 netted us Givani Smith and some bum that we traded to the Canucks for future HOFer ASP.

 

[Konnan511]

That wasn't the first year of the rebuild. 2016 netted us Givani Smith and some bum that we traded to the Canucks for future HOFer ASP.