[Gord Miller] Future of Russia/Belarus in IIHF events (Mod warning post 7)

[ReHabs]

Well it’s good to put it on the table: based on precedence, the suspensions of the Russian and Belarusian hockey associations are not self-justified.

As such, it’s an arbitrary suspension that will last an arbitrary amount of time. Hockey suffers to stroke the egos of arbitrary men.

It has nothing to do with ending the violence or cutting the war short or anything of the sort.

 

[hockeyFan029]

Gord Miller's tweet is interesting because it sounds like even if the war stops, they will still be out of the IIHF competitions for a number of years afterwards.

 

[SoupNazi]

***Mod Warning***​

Im allowing this conversation, for now. Any posts that are not strictly hockey related will be removed without further warning. Repeated attempts to dive off of hockey will result in further disciplinary actions.

Because I'm feeling nice, I'm going to refer you back to this.

NO MORE WARNINGS!

 

[Jussi]

Bigger stage than the KHL is the NHL and the NHL scouts are totally watching the KHL.

As for the international hockey, there are Russian players representing other countries like Romania, but if any on them had a KHL offer (or even a VHL one) I'm sure they wouldn't think more than couple of minutes on what to choose in that case.

Not so much anymore, at least by non-Russian scouts. I don't remember if it was Kekäläinen or some Finnish NHL scout who said a while ago that they've had to cut back on scouting in Russia and instead focus on other leagues in Europe.

 

[ozzie]

Any Canadian win especially WJC feels cheap and hollow without facing our Russian nemesis. It does feel like something is missing. More to life then hockey.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Well it’s good to put it on the table: based on precedence, the suspensions of the Russian and Belarusian hockey associations are not self-justified.

As such, it’s an arbitrary suspension that will last an arbitrary amount of time. Hockey suffers to stroke the egos of arbitrary men.

It has nothing to do with ending the violence or cutting the war short or anything of the sort.

It has everything to do with ending the war. The IIHF doesn't care but all countries should refuse to participate until the war ends and they agree on when the suspension should end.

Any Canadian win especially WJC feels cheap and hollow without facing our Russian nemesis. It does feel like something is missing. More to life then hockey.

Garbage. If it feels cheap it is because it is not a best on best. And even if Russia was in it it wouldn't be because a lot of their NHL players wouldn't be participating.

 

[Jussi]

Well it’s good to put it on the table: based on precedence, the suspensions of the Russian and Belarusian hockey associations are not self-justified.

As such, it’s an arbitrary suspension that will last an arbitrary amount of time. Hockey suffers to stroke the egos of arbitrary men.

It has nothing to do with ending the violence or cutting the war short or anything of the sort.

Literally just two posts above yours: [Gord Miller] Future of Russia/Belarus in IIHF events (Mod warning post 7) There is very much precedence.

 

[waitin425]

Can't argue with what Gord is saying here. 2032 is a long way away though and a whole ton can happen. If the war ends by then (which I would expect) AND there is a regime change for the better in both countries (which I doubt) then this seems legit.

Sucks though...I miss having Russia in the WJHC. Particularly this year with Michkov.

Hopefully they are readmitted in time for the next Best on Best.

 

[ReHabs]

It has everything to do with ending the war. The IIHF doesn't care but all countries should refuse to participate until the war ends and they agree on when the suspension should end.

You’re fooling yourself. You ain’t fooling me.

The OP states they want to keep the suspension for an indefinite period. It’s not at all about ending the war.

 

[Caser]

Not so much anymore, at least by non-Russian scouts. I don't remember if it was Kekäläinen or some Finnish NHL scout who said a while ago that they've had to cut back on scouting in Russia and instead focus on other leagues in Europe.

Non-Russian scouts have issues to travel there, yes (although even non-Russian ones have been spotted there occasionally this year), but there are still a lot of Russian-based scouts. Also judging by what I sometimes get asked on twitter I'd say video analysts are following it closely too. Anyway, I think you won't be arguing that if a promising player is impressive in the KHL season then in general it will be more valuable to the scouts than to be impressive in a short international tournament.

 

[ReHabs]

Literally just two posts above yours: [Gord Miller] Future of Russia/Belarus in IIHF events (Mod warning post 7) There is very much precedence.

This suspension has no precedence.

 

[Frank the Tank]

Are they currently suspended for their state sponsored doping or the Ukraine invasion? Or both? It's hard to keep up with Russia's shenanigans.

 

[Caser]

Are they currently suspended for their state sponsored doping or the Ukraine invasion? Or both? It's hard to keep up with Russia's shenanigans.

Not hard if you'd follow hockey, as then you'd know that the hockey Team Russia never got suspended due to any doping stuff.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

The pro-Russia crowd here vastly overrates their country’s importance to the rest of the world. Nobody outside of Russia and its allies will miss their presence in international play.

Have you even watched any of this tournament?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Not hard if you'd follow hockey, as then you'd know that the hockey Team Russia never got suspended due to any doping stuff.

Of course they weren't. The IIHF isn't going to do anything against the powerful countries.

 

[Luolis]

I mean seeing how pathetic and boring 2023 WHC

Nice way to tell us you havent watched a single game

 

[Jussi]

This suspension has no precedence.

Yes it does, as mentioned in the post I linked.

 

[Albatros]

Unlike UEFA, the IIHF never banned Yugoslavia, rather the Dutch authorities refused to allow the team in the country for the World Championships and the IIHF did nothing about it.

 

[violaswallet]

Would these teams have to start at the bottom division when they enter again? Could some new records if so

 

[ReHabs]

Maybe you should. Whatever conflict you are talking about didn't threaten to become bigger. No telling what would have happened if Ukraine hadn't been such a tough opponent.

Irrelevant comment to the IIHF and the arbitrary decisions it made at gunpoint.

 

[Hanji]

It has everything to do with ending the war. The IIHF doesn't care but all countries should refuse to participate until the war ends and they agree on when the suspension should end.


Garbage. If it feels cheap it is because it is not a best on best. And even if Russia was in it it wouldn't be because a lot of their NHL players wouldn't be participating.

"Further to that, the overwhelming consensus among national federations here at the @IIHFHockey congress is that it will be years before Russia and Belarus are readmitted, regardless of when or how the invasion of Ukraine ends"


Russia's re-admittance has little to do with the war ending. Russia will return when the IIHF deems it in their interest (ahem, financial and political) to do so; war or not. That's when we'll perhaps finally get some best v best hockey.

 

[SoupNazi]

We're done here.