Goalie situation

[Ianturnedbull]

It is certainly fair/reasonable to question Toronto's goaltending... Toronto has 1 goalie making more than $900k this year, and it's a career backup making $2.5m. They have 3 goalies, and are spending a total of less than $4.2m on the position.

Only Washingon & Calgary are spending less on the position than Toronto.

To think that Joseph Woll is going to be given the full reigns to start 55+ games, the single-minded focus to put him in night after night, even if he has some mid-season struggles or whatever, is pretty farfetched.

The Leafs have games to win. They're going to put the guy in who they feel gives them the best chance to win on any given night.... not just Joseph Woll because "he's got the potential". Joseph Woll is probably your defacto opening night starter, but Anthony Stolarz is going to have every opportunity to win the starting job from him, just like Woll had the opportunity with Samsonov last year.

Overall, the Leafs goaltending is probably going to be a little bit of "throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks"; especially given Woll's injury history.

For me, the real interesting question is Matt Murray. While I think they're prepared to let Dennis Hildeby play NHL games this year if needbe, I get the sense that they really don't want to lose Matt Murray as a guy that can come up in the event of injury. However, at the same time, there is the challenge of the 23 man roster limit.

If we assume Pacioretty signing.... Barring any LTIR to start the season, if just one of Cowan/Minten get to start with the team, the Leafs would be looking at exposing Connor Timmins, along with 2 of Reaves/Dewar/Robertson/McMann/Holmberg on waivers in order to avoid exposing Murray. That, or giving Matthew Knies the Nick Robertson treatment and starting him in the AHL.

If they want to see what Cowan and Minten can do with the 9-game shot, you're now looking at dropping 3 of those forwards.

Part of me wonders, if the arrangement with Pacioretty might be to play preseason games, maybe do an Alex Nylander to start the year, and then bring him up on an NHL deal when the roster space opens due to injury.

I feel like they're going to have somebody on the team dedicated to studying what the rest of the league is doing day-by-day to try and predict the most optimal day to try and sneak Murray through waivers.

I don't know about this.

This is a lot of micro managing over a 3rd string goalie.

If Murray is undeniably good, then Toronto will have to make accommodations for him. Conversely, maybe they can get a solid return for him in a trade.

 

[seanlinden]

I don't know about this.

This is a lot of micro managing over a 3rd string goalie.

If Murray is undeniably good, then Toronto will have to make accommodations for him. Conversely, maybe they can get a solid return for him in a trade.

He's unlikey to be "undeniably good"; and certainly unlikely to hold much trade value when there's lots of other goalies going on waivers aroudn that time.

The reason that Murray is important to the Leafs is because both of their goalies are highly inexperienced (at least in a #1 role), and one of them has substantial durability concerns. In perfect world, a team in the Leafs position would probably want to carry 3 goalies; but that's a tough thing to do when they're so bloated with waiver-eligible forwards.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

Am I the only one concerned with the goalie situation.

Every year in the playoffs the goalies let the team down one way or another. At the most important time of the season last year Samsonov shit the bed and Woll got injured. Nobody could possibly have seen that one coming I guess.

Every year the team's response is to get even more questionable with the most important position in the sport.

Murray, Stolarz, and Woll. A hope, a wish, and a prayer. It's like counting on Larry, Curly, and Moe to build a house without getting hurt and botching the job in the process.

You just know someone will be riding in an ambulance and there's gonna be a huge mess to clean up.

This team doesn't have cup contending goaltending. It doesn't matter which one is starter, backup, or relief either. No matter how you mix these three together it doesn't equal a Bobrovsky or Vasilevski.

You could put all three in net at the same time and on the first shot two of them would get hurt and the other would let it in.

You aren't. Woll has potential but he is a band-aid. Stolarz is a 30-year-old journeyman and vastly overpaid.

 

[TMLAM34]

If Murray is actually healthy and surprises us during pre-season, I’m looking to carry 3 goalies to start the season. All 3 are injury prone, it’s only a matter of time one gets injured.

 

[egd27]

If Murray is actually healthy and surprises us during pre-season, I’m looking to carry 3 goalies to start the season. All 3 are injury prone, it’s only a matter of time one gets injured.

Unless they can figure out how to make a 23 man roster, 3 goalies is a luxury they cannot afford

 

[Fogelhund]

Noting... if somehow we can't keep Murray on the roster, and he's claimed, Martin Jones is still not signed. I'm fine with Murray, or Jones as a 3rd goalie.

 

[rumman]

Unless they can figure out how to make a 23 man roster, 3 goalies is a luxury they cannot afford

not to mention they'll need a 7th D man for sure with the age and injury history of some of the new guys.........

Noting... if somehow we can't keep Murray on the roster, and he's claimed, Martin Jones is still not signed. I'm fine with Murray, or Jones as a 3rd goalie.

I'm not convinced a healthy Murray will be the odd man out in this scenario, who can stay healthy and who can stop the puck is what to watch for, I wouldn't be surprised if Woll's hurt before the start of the season, just seems logical it would happen..........

 

[Dale Gribble]

Woll only has 36 NHL games under his belt and can't seem to stay healthy. Stolarz has been a career back-up, but decent stats throughout his career. Murray can't stay healthy either and hasn't been very good in quite some time. So admittedly, I am very concerned about the team's goaltending.

 

[13pacheco31]

Woll only has 36 NHL games under his belt and can't seem to stay healthy. Stolarz has been a career back-up, but decent stats throughout his career. Murray can't stay healthy either and hasn't been very good in quite some time. So admittedly, I am very concerned about the team's goaltending.

I feel that a tandem might work

 

[ACC1224]

Love the Woll/Stolarz tandem.
I can see a Jennings trophy in the near future

 

[Thornbury]

Love the Woll/Stolarz tandem.
I can see a Jennings trophy in the near future

As much as I think Samsonov was a really good person and teammate, I will feel better this year not seeing him in the Leafs crease.

 

[rumman]

As much as I think Samsonov was a really good person and teammate, I will feel better this year not seeing him in the Leafs crease.

Guy had a heart of gold, but he obviously let the job get to him, I hope that’s in his past and he finds success or at the very least realizes he’s held a job very few get a chance to do and there’s more to life then being a NHL goalie……

 

[ACC1224]

As much as I think Samsonov was a really good person and teammate, I will feel better this year not seeing him in the Leafs crease.

Amen to that

 

[Dale Gribble]

I feel that a tandem might work

If Woll can stay healthy in theory it should work, but if he doesn't it becomes a concern.

 

[13pacheco31]

If Woll can stay healthy in theory it should work, but if he doesn't it becomes a concern.

It's a risk, but it's a lighter work load for both goalies so that does mitigate the risk

 

[colchar]

He's 30 or 31 and has started a whopping 24 games in his most active season.

Bower didn't make the NHL until he was 29. Thomas didn't make the NHL until he was 28 and didn't become the starter until he was 32. Just because someone is older and hasn't become #1 yet, does not mean they don't have the potential to be an excellent goalie.

 

[colchar]

I would love if Murray came to camp and stole the number 1 job. Not expecting it to happen though.

You want someone who can be injured by the air moved by the average fart to be their #1? Brilliant idea.

 

[notbias]

Bower didn't make the NHL until he was 29. Thomas didn't make the NHL until he was 28 and didn't become the starter until he was 32. Just because someone is older and hasn't become #1 yet, does not mean they don't have the potential to be an excellent goalie.

So a lot less than 1% of goalies have followed that path?

You want someone who can be injured by the air moved by the average fart to be their #1? Brilliant idea.

Just because someone was injured before doesn't mean they will be injured again...

You're holding onto more hope about Stolarz turning into an all-star than this? Crazy.

Your two posts contradict each other.

 

[Stephen]

If Murray is actually healthy and surprises us during pre-season, I’m looking to carry 3 goalies to start the season. All 3 are injury prone, it’s only a matter of time one gets injured.

My gut feeling tells me Stolarz will be the most reliable of the three. Unfortunately Woll will continue to be a band-aid and frustrate with his combination of high ceiling and low availability goaltending. And Matt Murray will be a pleasant surprise because expectations are very low. But I also can’t see him actually being healthy for long stretches.

Woll’s game is incredible but I think our real solution might be at the Hildeby generation.

 

[TMLAM34]

You want someone who can be injured by the air moved by the average fart to be their #1? Brilliant idea.

Yes, I would love if Matt Murray was healthy and can return to his 1A form. Like I mentioned in my previous post you quoted, I’m not expecting it though. Brilliant response.

 

[rumman]

If Woll can stay healthy in theory it should work, but if he doesn't it becomes a concern.

The whole teams success/failure will heavily rely on whether the D and G can stay healthy……..

You want someone who can be injured by the air moved by the average fart to be their #1? Brilliant idea.

You could say the exact same about Woll…….

 

[Dale Gribble]

The whole teams success/failure will heavily rely on whether the D and G can stay healthy……..

True enough, the concern is that Woll and Murray have a reputation of being injury prone.

Then add in Tanev (due to age) and Hakanpää (due to his knee issues), and I suppose all we can do is hope...

 

[hotpaws]

all three have ? but for some reason I'm feeling more confident about our goalies than i have in a long time

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don't know about this.

This is a lot of micro managing over a 3rd string goalie.

If Murray is undeniably good, then Toronto will have to make accommodations for him. Conversely, maybe they can get a solid return for him in a trade.

Murray gets injured if a butterfly in Japan flaps it's wings.

all three have ? but for some reason I'm feeling more confident about our goalies than i have in a long time

That reason is because Samsonov no longer exists

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don't think Treliving is going to f*** around with goaltending here.

Woll and/or Stolarz are going to get a shot but if they don't work I think you are going to see Treliving search for a more permanent, proven solution.

I don't think Treliving is sold on Woll, or more specifically Woll's health.

If he was 100% sold on Woll he would not have been in on Markstrom and we know for sure that he was.

If Woll stays healthy and shows that he is the goalie that he's shown flashes of being they are set for a decade.

If Woll continues to be walking injury, then they probably start looking for a more legitimate option, and seeing as Berube is the coach and he won with Binnington I suspect the first call would be to the Blues.

It's ALL up to Woll what's he going to do?

They have Matthews under contract for 4 years I think they will give this tandem a shot, but if Woll can't stay healthy I don't think Treliving is going to f*** around.