Post-Game Talk: [GM39] Canucks lose to Canadiens in OT | 4-5 | Miller(2), Lekkerimaki, & DeBrusk | Snatching Defeat From the Jaws of Victory

[EpochLink]

This is not on him. Those games were not on him. None of this is on him.

He's not perfect, he had his flaw moments and games. But he's not super human, for less than a million he's providing 4-5 times that value.

This is on our defense, and by extension on our management's failure to provide the team with defense.

Lankinen is the sole reason we are in a position to begin with. He was super human the first few months but the defense in front of him is letting him down.

 

[valkynax]

I think that's sort of the point. This team no longer has a goalie that will steal games for them, so they had better square it off or this could get ugly. Paterson made it clear on his post-game show he didn't really think the losses were on Lankinen.

I really feel bad for Lankinen, dude was treated like garbage in the off season. We picked him up and now he has to be the one to deal with this self-sabotaging defense.

 

[pitseleh]

The single biggest difference between this year’s team and last year’s team is goaltending. They had a .914 SV% on January 6 last year and have an .885 this year.

At the same SV% as last year they would have 31 fewer GA and probably 8-10 more points in the standings.

 

[TruGr1t]

 

[Baby Pettersson]

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Someone who's smarter then me explain what this is.

 

[Jyrki]

The single biggest difference between this year’s team and last year’s team is goaltending. They had a .914 SV% on January 6 last year and have an .885 this year.

At the same SV% as last year they would have 31 fewer GA and probably 8-10 more points in the standings.

I wouldn't attribute that to "goaltending" insomuch as it is impossible to keep a high SV% when your defense can neither get the puck out or win battles against a skilled opponent.

 

[Tact]

lol yeah sorry but Hughes should not be playing

 

[valkynax]

Someone who's smarter then me explain what this is.

I've seen similar stuff used in rehab setting, usually used to secure and stabilize various finger joints. In this case, it looks like the carpometacarpal joint and possible metacarpalphalangeal joints (latter is unlikely, as in the photo he seems to be bending those joints), aka joints at the knuckle where your palm ends and your tentacles begin.

I could be wrong though.

 

[brock hughes007]

Sorry guys for posting shit..I'm just beyond frustrated with this team right now..if I said anything to offend anyone I apologize..

 

[pitseleh]

I wouldn't attribute that to "goaltending" insomuch as it is impossible to keep a high SV% when your defense can neither get the puck out or win battles against a skilled opponent.

The Canucks have been near the top of the league both years in xGA and at limiting high danger chances against, so the available data says otherwise.

Lankinen has been fine (average-ish) and Silovs terrible, whereas Demko was elite and that amounts to a huge difference.

I can accept that people can see things otherwise on the magnitude of the effect but I can’t realistically see how the difference isn’t at least 4-5 points in the standings so far, and more likely more than less.

 

[xtr3m]

Someone who's smarter then me explain what this is.

Looks like a makeshift wrist brace or splint.

 

[arttk]

I don’t disagree with acquiring two more defencemen so that it bumps Soucy and Myers down.

But my next question; is 6.25M between the two good cap allocation for a #5 and #6 defencemen? I think this needs to be taken into account. I’m not sure if they’re good enough to slide up to #3,4 if injuries occur.

Thoughts?

I think the biggest reason why management has done shit so far is because they want to toll cap. Not sure how much cap we have to make moves but a guesstimate would be like 2-3M? I imagine if we throw Desharnais away, we should have like 4-5M to use to make those moves. I think priority should be a LD that, throw like everything to get that guy.

 

[Rick Rocket]

I gotta say it again, nickel and diming Zadorov till he walked was stupid arrogant shit. Our D is an absolute disaster... and sitting Brannstrom for an extended period right now over guys like VD or Juulsen is just another terrible decision.

Can they try to get a decent Dman for someone like Boeser?

 

[VanJack]

Lankinen is the sole reason we are in a position to begin with. He was super human the first few months but the defense in front of him is letting him down.

Not sure what game some people were seeing tonight, but based on the play, without Lankinen, the score is 7-4 and gets nowhere near OT.

You can't simply sit back, dump out pucks from your own zone and give up as many high-danger chances as the Canucks do, and expect to win. Even with Quinn Hughes back and probably playing at 80 percent--it's still one of the worst bluelines in the Western Conference.

Probably not much you can do about it this season---unless they trade Miller. But then the Canucks are down to a one-line team again.

 

[AzNightmare]

Tie games are so stressful. Canucks need to legit survive for another extra 5 mins, because shootout is their best chance.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

I gotta say it again, nickel and diming Zadorov till he walked was stupid arrogant shit. Our D is an absolute disaster... and sitting Brannstrom for an extended period right now over guys like VD or Juulsen is just another terrible decision.

Can they try to get a decent Dman for someone like Boeser?

Letting Cole and Zadorov walk is a wise move if you have a formidable plan to upgrade or backfill the roles.

Letting Cole and Zadorov go and thinking Derek f***ing Forbort and Vinny Desharnais could fill those roles was insanely stupid.

 

[EpochLink]

The Canucks need a higher power going forward.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Not sure what game some people were seeing tonight, but based on the play, without Lankinen, the score is 7-4 and gets nowhere near OT.

You can't simply sit back, dump out pucks from your own zone and give up as many high-danger chances as the Canucks do, and expect to win. Even with Quinn Hughes back and probably playing at 80 percent--it's still one of the worst bluelines in the Western Conference.

Probably not much you can do about it this season---unless they trade Miller. But then the Canucks are down to a one-line team again.

Yeah, this game is a blowout without Lankinen. It felt like every scoring chance we had was in the net, while the Habs had twice as many high danger chances that could have been goals if Lankinen hadn’t been awesome. Sure it was Grant Fuhr esque game, but as he has on many nights, he gave us a shot.

It also needs to be said that when this team gets a lead, Tocchet bears an alarming similarity to Travis Green where his team just goes into turtle mode and tries to protect the lead for the rest of the game without stepping on the gas at all. It’s as much a recipe for disaster now as it was during Green’s reign.

 

[Canucks LB]

When JT Miller is on, there’s no player in the league like him

 

[Canucks LB]

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I’m sorry, but this is infuriating. I don’t care what they say.

Playing him injured is such a joke, I don’t care if he wants to play.

This is not a small injury, you can literally see the cast on him.

Risking his future, and later on in this season for what?

 

[HabsAddict]

I gotta say it again, nickel and diming Zadorov till he walked was stupid arrogant shit. Our D is an absolute disaster... and sitting Brannstrom for an extended period right now over guys like VD or Juulsen is just another terrible decision.

Can they try to get a decent Dman for someone like Boeser?

We have Savard and Matheson available but we are lousy trade partners. You have nothing we need. Nor draft picks. We got 21 picks next 2 years. We need a young RHD and a young 2C.

Besides, given the last 10 games, those two may not be available anymore.

 

[604]

I'm always pro-trade but it doesn't make sense this year unless Pettersson comes back on fire once he's back on the ice.

Though he has a lot to do with it, the team doesn't have the same juice this season. The defense corp beyond Hughes, especially with Hronek out, is just not serious.

Demko is also a black cloud hanging over the team. He's never gonna be the guy we saw in the Bubble against Vegas again. It's over but he still has one more year on his deal.

Then light it on fire.

Nothing we do (trading a mid-1st) is going to change anything long-term but could get you a #3D.

Throwing this season and next away, you may as well tell Hughes to quit. Then you’re in a full rebuild anyways.

 

[VanJack]

Tocchet is fond of saying that you have counter 'pressure' with 'pressure'. When you're under siege, somebody has to make play.

Two or three passes, and you're out of your zone and turning the tables with an offensive zone forecheck. Problem is, nobody not names Hughes, can make a six-foot pass. It's off the glass or off the boards and out---and then the other team comes right back at you.

Looking at all the recent third period collapses in Utah, twice against Seattle, and tonight, it's the same story. Blown leads are all about having no execution and a high panic threshold.

So much offense depends on orderly d-zone exits.....and this blueline is almost completely inept.

 

[B-rock]

Yeah I legitimately thought that a healthy Soucy would be a huge upgrade for us compared to last season. Having him actually there and playing like last year would more than replace anything we lost. Hes been horrible though.

It’s shocking how terrible he’s been. He doesn’t show any urgency when he’s out. Just sort of out for a skate and then back to the bench.

Flubbed the clear and then just let his guy camp out in front for the screen.

Hard to watch.

 

[VanJack]

Soucy's epic struggles this year is proof of the clear and present danger of signing UFA d-men year after year.

There always a reason why the team that used to employ them, is prepared to let them walk. In the case of Seattle, Soucy's last employer', they either didn't want to pay the money or thought they could de better elsewhere.

And after a solid first season in VanCity, Soucy has been a absolute train-wreck this season, and it doesn't show any signs of getting any better. Unfortunately this may all the Canucks are going to get the rest of the way.