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Bleach Clean

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Why is it that we have to dump and chase every possession yet the team we’re playing gets to waltz across the blueline with impunity? It’s the worst aspect of Tocchet’s system (and I like Tocchet)


This has been a theme and why they can't generate the rush chances Tocchet is looking for. First, their D can't pass the puck up, which then has the forwards come further back than they would like for the pass or start further back when they get the puck, which then has them claw through the neutral zone instead of catching a puck in stride.

I think they're also coached to get the puck deep if it's 50/50, and other teams encourage holding onto the puck.
 

crowfish

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20 seconds of powerplay time for Pettersson in the last 2 powerplays

Fire Tocchet into the sun asap please.
 

thecupismine

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The lack of puck movement is at once a model issue and a personnel issue. If your coach accepts negative shot differential and is risk averse to inner ice passing, he will defer to glass-and-out trees and rely on high conversion rates to save him. Granted, it worked last year... Until it didn't against the Oilers.

It's because their ceiling is lowered by the controlled system the play. Tocchet wants rush chances, sure, but he's not willing to accept to the risks to get it (Brannstrom's creativity). It's fine if all you want to do is control for your floor. As in, stay in games. But if you want to get the cup, you need shot generation. Tocchet's model isn't providing this.

Fair enough, I might not agree with your conclusion but I understand where you’re coming from.

To me, the moment Brannstrom was asked to step up from playing super soft minutes his play cratered. He was able to make great breakouts through the middle against weak competition, but against tougher players he was constantly hemmed in his own end.

I’ve seen Hronek and Hughes allowed to do their thing, and Big Z was given the latitude to carry the puck end to end as well. Tocchet has shown frustration with his d not willing to hold on to the puck to make the play too in pressers, so to me it feels like way more of a personnel issue than anything structural.

If you want to call him risk-averse, I get that, but I also think it’s the correct move with the current roster as constructed.
 

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This has been a theme and why they can't generate the rush chances Tocchet is looking for. First, their D can't pass the puck up, which then has the forwards come further back than they would like for the pass or start further back when they get the puck, which then has them claw through the neutral zone instead of catching a puck in stride.

I think they're also coached to get the puck deep if it's 50/50, and other teams encourage holding onto the puck.

Yea on the odd game where the defense is moving the puck better than normal you can see how much better through the neutral zone they can be. The defense is absolutely holding the team back offensively.
 
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crowfish

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Petterssons AHL linemate decides to shoot a muffin into the pads instead of feed him a pass

Smart play honestly, Tocchet will reward that decision with more icetime.
 

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Petterssons AHL linemate decides to shoot a muffin into the pads instead of feed him a pass

Smart play honestly, Tocchet will reward that decision with more icetime.

Pettersson should make his linemates better, by entering their brain through a Swedish mind meld and influence a better shot selection or pass option. What a bum.
 
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