Pre-Game Talk: GM15 | Vancouver Canucks vs New York Islanders | Thur. Nov 14th | 7:00pm PST | SNP | Bronco Horvath
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I like Bo. Don't blame him for what he said. Spent his entire career succeeding despite Benning's incompetence. Finally sees the light at the end of tunnel, and probably felt slighted when the team wouldn't reward his loyalty him with a ne contract. Both sides did what they needed to do.
With that being said, hopefully EP scores a hat trick and adds another 3 helpers, and we totally destroy them.
With that being said, hopefully EP scores a hat trick and adds another 3 helpers, and we totally destroy them.
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And now Horvat is pretty much in his prime and on a New York Islanders team that's stuck in hockey purgatory. Likely going to be in a similar spot where the Canucks were between 2016-2018. They desperately need to part ways with Lou Lamoriello and allow a competent GM to see a rebuild through.
Even with the one dumb comment I'll always cheer for Horvat and when he was traded to NYI I was like 'Don't sign there! Don't sign there!' and of course he was immediately the dumbest loyalist soldier possible and sold any hopes he'd ever have of playing on a contender right down the river.
Peen
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2013-2023 of Vancouver Canucks history is dark and players need a lot of grace for having to play through that era.
Honestly wild he got stuck in a similar situation as he was here with terrible management, but hey, at least he got paid.
thecupismine
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Same, I thought he did everything he could given the dogwater management team in place during his time here. He had to carry a lot of bad linemates with zero depth around him, and the burden of captaincy in a Canadian market when you're constantly losing is not easy.
Hopefully the Islanders realize they need to do a complete overhaul/rebuild sooner rather than later, and use one of their retention spots to deal him to a contender. Unlikely given the length of that deal, but one can hope.
Even without retention I think the Horvat contract is movable. I hope he lands on a contender.
horvat went from overrated here to underrated really quick once he was traded. he's a steal at that contract imo
sting101
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I'll echo the sentiment here and defend Bo a little. Solid player and person who had a lapse that absolutely should never have happened given what this fanbase went through when he was here.
Certainly he felt slighted and was a good core piece. It really is a shame he didn't go to free agency and align himself on a team on the rise after doing everything to maximize his contract.
It looked a little dirty but on the flip side there was a clear path that he was on the outs and if ever it was time to be selfish it was then. He mostly was not throughout and did a lot of heavy lifting and was a good person and Canuck
Certainly he felt slighted and was a good core piece. It really is a shame he didn't go to free agency and align himself on a team on the rise after doing everything to maximize his contract.
It looked a little dirty but on the flip side there was a clear path that he was on the outs and if ever it was time to be selfish it was then. He mostly was not throughout and did a lot of heavy lifting and was a good person and Canuck
Isles went as far as they could in 2020 and 2021. I think it was the 2021 ECF where the Isles and TB went to game 7. Isles were on a PP in a scoreless game in the second half of the game or maybe it was even into the 3rd period and they gave up a shorty because they failed to pick up the trailer of the Bolts. Had 2 guys back but the backchecking forward and last guy back both took the puck carrying TB forward.
That was their best shot as they were a talent limited team, so that hard working style wasn't going to be easy to hold up over 82 games.
Since Dobson in 2018, they traded most of their firsts/seconds and the ones they kept in Holmstrom, Walstrom haven't developed. Too big a gap in terms of the talent on their roster. At best a WC team now that NJ has returned to where we expected them to be. NYR, NJ, Car the top 3 in the Metro.
Team needs a reboot with a fresh viewpoint. Of the clubs that are not bottom 5, I'd probably want them to win the lottery. If they free up some cap with nelson, palmeri and move a RHD out and even PGP, they could have a pretty big refresh for next season as they now have their UBS Arena as a selling point to free agents.
Horvat did help us get Hronek and create one of the best defense pairings in the league. Aatu Raty is only 21-22 and looks close to NHL ready too.
Bo was our best forward, heck even player, that half season before he was traded. Regular 2 goal games vs top teams at key moments. He took our zone entries with him to NY.
Now our genius coach thinks one of the best skating players in the league should stand still, drop pass, and watch BB, EP Garland etc try not to trip over the blue line.
Now our genius coach thinks one of the best skating players in the league should stand still, drop pass, and watch BB, EP Garland etc try not to trip over the blue line.
they reportedly offered him 3m per less than what he got. he was right to feel insulted imo and it absolutely wasn't selfish to turn that offer down
Jerry the great
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that was the offer he got in the summer of 2022, it was a 7 or 8 year deal, he was coming off a 52 point season and it was pretty clear that he was topping out as a very good 2nd line C with PP utility.
Our last offer was reportedly "just under $8MM"; they were unwilling to pay him more than JT, which was a justifiable line in the sand to draw IMO. He's not even close to the player JT is and with the emergence of Pettersson, something had to give.
I don't think the contract is a disaster or anything, but it isn't a steal IMO. good PP producer, decent 5v5 scoring, below average defensively and a horrible penalty killer. JT is a steal, Horvat not so much.
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Nick Lang
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Yeah, I can't fault him. Hey, he probably got the full sales job, hyped his family up, promised contention, sold him on the future, etc. At the end of the day he got close to $70 mil to play hockey in New York. Not a bad life. Some guys think and like the challenge of being the piece that makes a winner.
Bo was one of the few bright spots in arguably the bleakest period in franchise history. He wasn't thinking and said something dumb in the heat of the moment lol. Whatever. I'll always cheer for him. I hope he eventually lands somewhere he'll have a shot at a cup if the Isles don't get it together.
Mr. Canucklehead
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Nothing against Horvat at all. He played his heart out for us here, and all he got was garbage teams for his efforts. I think his "I'll tell you that for free" comment was a cheap shot that was beneath him, but I think he recognized that, and it's not hard to imagine the frustration he felt at how everything unfolded. I don't wish him any ill will, and it kind of sucks to see him on a team that's heading into another stagnant/non-competitive period. He deserves better.
That said, I think it was incredibly shrewd asset management by Allvin to orchestrate the moves he did - both in terms of selling Horvat for assets, and parlaying those assets into Hronek.
That said, I think it was incredibly shrewd asset management by Allvin to orchestrate the moves he did - both in terms of selling Horvat for assets, and parlaying those assets into Hronek.
Mr. Canucklehead
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He and Tony Tanti (IMO) are easy arguments for two of the better players our franchise has had who just don't get their due because they were on terribad hockey teams, and therefore didn't have the playoff success that others have had.
SelltheTeamFrancesco
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Too bad we can’t have Horvat come to practice and teach the team the ways of playing the bumper lol.
Szechwan
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lol from who? Every single post in this thread has been more than gracious, I haven't seen a single slight against him.
People got a bit hot and bothered when it happened (driven by media), but I don't think anyone actually cares or dislikes Bo.
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