Pre-Game Talk: GM09 | Vancouver Canucks vs New Jersey Devils | Wed. Oct 30th | 7:30pm PST | SNP | Brotherly Hate

[Lemmiwinks]

Petey should be the main weapon the PP. Both with his wrister and his one-timer. But he's so reluctant to use either. Coaches should make it a priority to force him to shoot like at least 3 times per PP.

He should be coming off the right wall and looking to snipe like Naslund.

The weird thing is I have no sense of whether Petey’s wrister/one-timer has been affected by injuries because of his absolute refusal to use either. I can’t tell if those weapons of his are still there somewhere because of a near-zero sample size of late. he hasn’t used those weapons in ages. I guess the hope is it’s a mental thing, but very hard to ascertain.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

I really don't like how Tocchet plays favorites. He's a lot like Torts in that way. This old school brand of coaching needs to die.

I hope people don't expect too much out of Joshua right out of the gate.

This is a guy who has struggled a bit with conditioning and getting up to speed in both of the last two years and now this year his body has been through cancer treatments and he's coming in having much less summer training and no training camp. I suspect he's going to be a step behind the pace for his first month or so and probably should have his minutes limited.

He always has slow starts in general.

 

[Phrasing]

WHEN: Tue. Oct 30th, 7:30pm
WHERE: Rogers Arena, Vancouver, BC
TV: Sportsnet Pacific
RADIO: Sportsnet 650

Canucks Line-Up:

DeBrusk-Miller-Boeser
Bains-Pettersson-Garland
Heinen-Blueger-Sherwood
Höglander-Suter-Sprong

Hughes-Hronek
Soucy-Myers
Brännström-Juulsen

TBD

Devils Line-Up:

Meier-Hischier-Mercer
Palat-Hughes-Bratt
Cotter-Haula-Noesen
Tatar-Dowling-Bastian

Dillon-Hamilton
Siegenthaler-Kovacevic
Hughes-Pesce

TBD

Wednesday*

 

[Vector]

Wednesday*

Also doesn’t start until 7:40 now so I’ve updated both.

 

[GranvilleIsland]

Also doesn’t start until 7:40 now so I’ve updated both.

This should work out well for us since the Canucks like to show up at around 7:40 on a 7:00 start time.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I want to see Sprong beside Pettersson and Garland.

 

[Vector]

 

[LordBacon]

I want to see Sprong beside Pettersson and Garland.

I wanna be beside you bro.

 

[VanJack]

I don't know what it is about the Devils, but even when they were bad a few years ago, the Canucks always seemed to lay an egg when they played them.

Their forwards are quick, and if Markstom gets in a zone, he can be well night unbeatable. Got to get that PP going somehow. The Devils will take some penalties, with a lot of hooks and holds.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

An underrated player is Suter, he seems to do the little things well, capable of playing anywhere in the lineup, versatile, responsible, consistent, durable, high hockey IQ, good passes through traffic etc. good player.

 

[David71]

expecting a jake debrusk breakout soon. he broke his stick in half last game in frustation. hes due. put petey on the 2nd unit please let him shoot from there. pp unit 1 doesnt even or hasnt defered to him in years since his rookie season imo.

 

[HairyKneel]

I really don't like how Tocchet plays favorites. He's a lot like Torts in that way. This old school brand of coaching needs to die.



He always has slow starts in general.

He plays the guys that work hard and support their teammates. Puck support is a thing. It's fascinating that he's learned this over his 50 + years in hockey. Canucks are too spread out. Puck support and 10 - 15 foot passes is older than dirt.

 

[bossram]

I like how they stumbled into Brannstrom trying to ditch Poolman, otherwise the defense would be a complete disaster. We're now poised to play Juulsen (who to my recollection hasn't really had a solid game in nearly a calendar year), over our two NHL defense UFAs. Maybe we should stop letting Tocchet and Foote have input on "project defensemen".

Yep. Credit to Allvin to getting him, but it was pretty much accidental (clearly, considering they left him in the AHL to start). The defense would be horribad without Brannstrom.

If only Allvin listened to some posters here...would have a ready made, legit NHL pair with Brannstrom and Kovacevic. For cheap! If only anyone suggested them...

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851345460231123100

Please be A but that's also 3.5 million in the press box.

Brannstrom has to be playing. He is their 3D on ability right now.

Hoglander had a bad game so him and Sprong can do their thing on the fourth line but Bains isn't the guy for top six role on this team at this time.
I like the kid but he needs way more reps in the bottom six/Abbotsford first.

Bains is fine on 4th line but I don't get where this obsession is coming from to keep trying him in the top 6.

Yeah. I don't get it. I like Bains, and he's a nice story. I even get that Tocc has issues with Hoglander's two-way game at times, so he gets demoted. But I don't get bumping up Bains. It's very obvious he doesn't have the pace or processing to hang on an NHL scoring line (at least right now).

Interesting that they want Petey to use his PP one-timer even less than he is...I feel like they're passing too much right now and not pulling the trigger in the slot and circles, it's often Hughes taking the shot. I miss seeing Petey's one-timers and wish they brought that play back a bit more, it seems like teams know he's in a bit of a slump and not really covering that shot immediately for now.

Petey is obviously slumping, so that's part of it. But another big part of it is just a league-wide shift in penalty killing scheme. More and more teams are going primarily with a Diamond PK scheme, rather than the Wedge+1 we used to exclusively see in seasons past. The Diamond PK eliminates a lot of flank shooting opportunities, such that flank PP shots really aren't as common (and not nearly as dangerous) as they used to be. Standing around waiting for flank shot one-timers on the PP isn't going to work.

The biggest exploit of this is to try and create chances in the middle of the ice. Ironically, since trading Horvat, the Canucks have not had an effective bumper player on the PP. I don't think it's a coincidence the PP has looked a lot worse.

 

[VanJack]

Players can't 'cheat' out there with Tocchet behind the bench. He knows exactly how he wants his players and team to play.

And when they don't reach that level--like the last game against Carolina--he's not about to pull any punches with individual guys.

That's what makes his post-game pressers so much more entertaining and 'must-listens' compared to the mundane offerings of other NHL coaches.

I mean the fans and the media can tell who's playing well out there and who isn't. But when coach comes on after the game and whitewashes the entire thing, it's a bit disappointing. I remember Green's post-games were excruciating at times.

So last game, it was Hoglander and Pettersson who were in the coach's crosshairs, and their ice-time reflected how he felt.