I'd say Waddell is equivalent to Holland in a lot of ways. Very mixed records. My interest is similarly ... mixed.
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Viqsi
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Don Waddell was the president of the Atlanta Thrashers under Atlanta Spirit Group and oversaw that team's sabotage and eventual relocation.
To say I do not want him anywhere near here would be a gross understatement.
To say I do not want him anywhere near here would be a gross understatement.
I'd love that.
He may not be the analytical mastermind of Canes, but he is the person who has enabled the team to become front runners in analytical decision making.
Not too worried about the Trashers days. He has been working with Tulsky for 10 years, during which he promoted Tulsky from Analyst to A.GM. I have to imagine he looks at the game completely differently now, compared to back when analytics werent even a thing.
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And soon we will read that Waddell has signed an extension with the Hurricanes and they just used this opportunity to get a feel of his market value. Dundon is a hard guy to deal with. Brindamour said it too.
I´m curious how much of an impact Waddell has had with Hurricanes moves when there is an owner who participates (heavily?) and a strong assistant GM like Tulsky behind him.
Anyways, I think he would be a better option than Holland, Hunter or Bergevin...
I´m curious how much of an impact Waddell has had with Hurricanes moves when there is an owner who participates (heavily?) and a strong assistant GM like Tulsky behind him.
Anyways, I think he would be a better option than Holland, Hunter or Bergevin...
BLONG7
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Geez guys, as a habs fan, please you do not want Bergevin.....the guy is a donkey.
He had some high highs (Weber, Suzuki, Danault, Petry) and plenty of lows (Alzner, Sergachev). Feels like donkey is a stretch from outside looking in, but I dont think anyone actually wants him in here anyways. More of a case where you'd maybe want him over another shit option. Roll of a dice whether he makes or good deal or not, so who'd want that kind of stress
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EVERY GM has made good and bad decisions. Even the best have far from perfect records. Sure the better ones make more good decisions and fewer mistakes but I think you can argue for or against any GM...even some of the most successful ones.
I am not arguing for Waddell but...
(A) I don't know how much of an impact the team president can have on an organization when ownership truly has no interest in the team succeeding.
(B) He was team president for one season. Was he basically promoted to captain of an already sinking ship?
(C) What he has accomplished in Carolina over the past six years should hold far more value than what he did in one season almost fifteen years ago in Atlanta
koteka
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I like how that Canes team is built and I like that they have Morrow and Nikishin in the pipeline. They got pulled into a petty argument with Montreal which led to the bad Kotkaniemi deal, but I do think they structured it in a smart way. It just hasn’t worked out. The Brady Skjei trade has worked out.
Of all the rumors, this may be the least bad. I still would like an up and coming solid assistant GM but I don’t think they will go that way.
KJ Dangler
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Waddell is serious candidate .. guess Bucci tweeted about Carolina’s mess a while ago .. sounds like Carolina planning external search. As for the above , totally agree , almost every gm has good and bad .. still trying to understand the Holland hate here .. 4 Stanley cups .. sure your successful enough to hang around a place 17 yrs , talents going to become an issue drafting mid round and above every year . He takes over Edmonton , they finished 23rd prior to his arrival, team is now cached well, sound defensively , and 3 wins from playing in the Stanley Cup . Compare that resume to anyone else out there , or any of our previous GMS ?
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We don't know Waddell would be GM. He could be the choice to be PoHO, as Davidson did say on record he was willing to step into a consultant role if the right candidate came along for that job. All the reports I've read out of Carolina is that Waddell is the schmooze and Tulsky is the brains, and a successful front office needs both. Waddell for PoHO to be the schmooze, bring in Darche or other current assistant (as Tulsky is probably off the table now) for GM.
CBJWerenski8
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32T says Waddell is in contention for “a job” here. Doesn’t necessarily say GM.
If Carolina is looking externally, As @KJ Dangler said, is there a chance JD is hiring his own replacement (Waddell) and he will bring in Tulsky as GM?
If Carolina is looking externally, As @KJ Dangler said, is there a chance JD is hiring his own replacement (Waddell) and he will bring in Tulsky as GM?
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Of all the reasons to want to have hired a GM by now or soon, being in place for the draft is low on my list. Amateur scouting and the reporting around it is a significant undertaking by a team of people. We only have one of that team missing - a not-insignificant piece but still just one piece.
That said, I'm impatient about the process too.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
He was promoted to team president after having been the GM for the entirety of the franchise's existence up to that point.
Still Do Not Want. We've got enough potential existential threats with parts of the fanbase rebelling against ownership without adding more.
Doggy
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Again, I am neither for or against Holland in Columbus. I have no strong opinions because I don't really know...I leave that to the so-called experts. That said:
On the BobbyMac podcast there is a guy named Lester who calls in every week. His predictions are not always right, I don't always agree with him, but he clearly does his homework and backs up his opinions with well thought out arguments. He did mention that Holland's success in Detroit came pre-salary cap and that generally speaking it has been a slog for much of his stay in Edmonton despite having the best player in the world and another top ten player in the world on the roster.
REPORT: Don Waddell Has Interviewed With Columbus Per Multiple Reports
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I am not sure the fanbase will find Waddell as polarizing as you do.
I realize the Carolina team is a reflection of its coach but its a playing style that a lot of CBJ fans wish their team played and they have a GM that has given its coach the kinds of players he wants. To me that's huge, hire a coach, give him the players that play the style he wants to play.
And...as much as you say he was part of the front office that led to Atlanta leaving for Winnipeg (which I don't necessarily see the correlation to), one could argue Raleigh/Durham has become a very successful market where there are no stability issues or questions about the team's future. Makes me think the Atlanta situation was more about the ownership, not the team president/GM.
I don't know if he leaves Carolina or what the CBJ would be offering him title-wise but IMO this is the wrong hill to make your stand on, the team could do a lot worse. My biggest concern with him is do we want to be starting over with a 68 year old. And I know...Lou is at UBS Arena on Long Island saying "hold my expensive glass of wine".
KJ Dangler
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Yes .. I’ve heard Lester
, the salary cap started in 2005 season , so yes Holland won 3 cups prior to salary cap, he also went on to win the cup in 2007-2008… seasons following the implementation of the cap 58-16, 50-19, 54-21 won cup, 51-21, started to trend down 09-10 with record 44-24, improved to 47-25, 48-28…. So I would say his argument is pretty false ….Hollands seasons at Edmonton ….. 35-38, 37-25, 35-19, 49-27, 50-23, and this season 49-27 .. and 3 wins from the Stanley cup finals …. Like seriously , what are our fans smoking …. Show me another GM we’ve had , with this success ?
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this is correct – the cap wasn't instituted until 05-06, holland's first three cups in detroit came before then. his last cup came in 07-08. the first cap was less than $40m. at the time, detroit's payroll was, i believe, nearly double that.
the bigger concern to me is that it was also pre-analytics. not saying holland doesn't understand analytics but the analytics movement is still ongoing and i'd rather get someone who has shown they can embrace that.
on that note, waddell would be excellent. he put a lot of trust in tulsky and built carolina into the org that probably best used analytics the last few years compared to the rest of hockey, but he also has a ton of experience.
that goes beyond player evals, too – carolina's cap sheet has been insanely clean the last few years, while holland's had trouble managing it in the past.
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So how much of that would he be to blame for? He did not move with the team to Winnipeg. He hasn't tried to sabotage Carolina.
Wouldn't this just possibly be guilt by association?
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I don't think they would replace both with one guy, at least not right away, however it does bring a mind into the room that can counter or think as they do while still having a better understanding of the hockey side of things(at least compared to Priest)
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Temporarily. They're reportedly looking externally for a replacement.
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