Line Combos: GM/Coaching criticism

[egd27]

Not surprising, this thread was made by one of the bigger defenders of Babcock.
Anyways, this thread is way too early.

Says the guy with current coach as his avatar.

 

[egd27]

Was Boston down 1 game, What happened?
Was Vegas down 1 game, What happened?
Was Pitt down a game, what happened?

We're comparing ourselves to recent cup winners and finalists? I applaud the optimism.

 

[keonsbitterness]

We're comparing ourselves to recent cup winners and finalists? I applaud the optimism.

If nothing else, it shows that losing game one can be overcome.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Wondering what coaching critique you all have for Keefe who's still looking for his first playoff round win...

Some noticeable ones...

1) Over-playing his top players
2) Blending lines 2-4 for 90% of the game
3) Overusing veterans/rookies in special teams
4) Being extremely unprepared for a key player going down

What do you think?

Overplaying his top players is on Dubas, not Keefe. This team is not built properly. $40 million on 4 players does not leave enough to have 4 quality lines. And I’m wondering how much having Thornton and Simmonds in the lineup, rather than Engvall and possibly Brooks, is due to Dubas and Shanahan wanting the veterans in there, even if their play doesn’t warrant it.
As far as being unprepared for a key player going down, refer to the 1st paragraph.
And I hope that if we do end up losing, we don’t blame it again on “losing to a hot goalie”.
Let’s hope that the team uses JT’s injury as a rallying point, and they can finally get over this hump. GLG

 

[Suntouchable13]

Isn’t he 0 for 1, considering last years loss against Colombus was a play in, not playoffs?

According to the NHL, 24 teams made the playoffs last season. They considered the play-in round as part of the playoffs.

 

[Captain Crunch]

According to the NHL, 24 teams made the playoffs last season. They considered the play-in round as part of the playoffs.

I’ve heard the opposite. It would be nice if the NHL could make up its’ mind.

 

[Captain Crunch]

There's the whole "win it for JT" thing right now.

If the leafs are still flat the rest of the playoffs and struggle to score right till the end, does Dubas keep his job? Does one of the core pieces get moved?

If that happens, then Dubas needs to be shown the door, and one of the two (Tavares -who would take on that contract???, and Matthews needs to stay) needs to be traded.

 

[keonsbitterness]

According to the NHL, 24 teams made the playoffs last season. They considered the play-in round as part of the playoffs.

The NHL had to do that for statistical reasons because playoff rules were used. On the other hand, the NHL called them 'qualifiers', which by definition means the winners must have qualified for something different going forward.

So basically, it was a cop-out by the NHL.

 

[egd27]

There's the whole "win it for JT" thing right now.

Sure hope it goes better than the effort they put out in his return to the Island.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Holy shit boys… we lost game one. This is a great team, they will win the series and get to the semis at least…. Chill

They MIGHT win the series, but how much further will they be able to go if Matthews and Marner continue playing such big minutes?

 

[Captain Crunch]

I want to see a

Foligno - Spezza - Nylander line

I legit think that's the best offense we can get for a 2nd line with our current players.

I really like Spezza, but I don’t think he can handle playing 2nd line center. In fact, he’s much better on the wing, but no higher than 3rd line.

 

[Cpt Maple Leaf]

If that happens, then Dubas needs to be shown the door, and one of the two (Tavares -who would take on that contract???, and Matthews needs to stay) needs to be traded.

Unload Marner for a good return. He disappears all the time when it gets physical.

 

[Pookie]

Not surprising, this thread was made by one of the bigger defenders of Babcock.
Anyways, this thread is way too early.

why can’t you quit Babcock?

most of the world has moved on. Babcock and Lou were recruited by Shanahan to change the culture.

right coach at the right time.

time passed and it was time for a new coach.

and if we lose this series, the time will be right for a new coach AND GM.

 

[keonsbitterness]

and if we lose this series, the time will be right for a new coach AND GM.

I think they're safe. Plus they'd have an excuse with Tavares.

 

[Menzinger]

We're comparing ourselves to recent cup winners and finalists? I applaud the optimism.

I don't think you have to compare the team to a recent cup winner to point out losing a single playoff game by one goal isn't exactly a sign that the sky is falling

 

[egd27]

I don't think you have to compare the team to a recent cup winner to point out losing a single playoff game by one goal isn't exactly a sign that the sky is falling

You're correct, you don't.

But he did.

 

[Menzinger]

You're correct, you don't.

But he did.

I don't think that distracts from the overall point regardless of the teams used in the example. Game one doesn't decide the series.

 

[stopclickbait]

Man it is pretty nuts. You just knew some posters were just waiting hoping the Leafs wouldn't comeback and win the game so they could whine about Dubas and Keefe. The whole whine gang is here its nuts lol. Its so petty, they predict the Leafs will finish with a .500 record I wish someone would bump that thread.

Reading some of the logic from those children is hilarious though. They always disappear like clockwork after a win though. Its only game 1 lol

 

[Mess]

I don't think that distracts from the overall point regardless of the teams used in the example. Game one doesn't decide the series.

Here are the NHL stats on game #1 winners and game #2 winners in a 7 game series from NHL.com

Here are the stats: In NHL best-of-seven series,

Game 1 winners have gone 367-164 -- a 69.1 percent winning percentage.

The winner of Game 2 has gone 381-150 -- winning 71.8 percent of the series.

Teams that have won both games to go up, 2-0, have gone 254-37 -- 87.2 percent.

Basically, if you follow up a Game 1 win with another, you've take a firm grip on a series. If you rebound from a Game 1 loss with a Game 2 win, you've rebooted the series and have momentum. And if you lose Game 2 after losing Game 1, you've dug yourself a deep hole.

Based on analytics of past series its imperative that Leafs win game #2 !!!

 

[DavePoulin4PM]

This is Shannys 6th season in Toronto. If the Leafs lose this series that means 6 seasons without winning a playoff series. If the Leafs lose this series it should be a full house cleaning.

 

[Mickey Marner]

This is Shannys 6th season in Toronto. If the Leafs lose this series that means 6 seasons without winning a playoff series. If the Leafs lose this series it should be a full house cleaning.

Seventh season, he was hired in April 2014. Time flies when you're round one & done. Plus he's on his second GM, no reason he should get a third.

 

[pspot]

I would try a
65 / 15 / 20 shut down line

 

[Antropovsky]

Biggest mistake Dubas made was hiring a rookie coach. It was very cocky of him (being a rookie himself)... possibly he wanted a coach who would respect him and not push back like Babs did and maybe veteran coaches would...maybe he wanted a puppet. Doesn't matter the team looks totally unprepared for playoff hockey.

 

[Dreakmur]

Seventh season, he was hired in April 2014. Time flies when you're round one & done. Plus he's on his second GM, no reason he should get a third.

Shanahan has done an excellent job rebuilding this organization. Sure you can point to a few mistakes here and there, but the turnaround has been unbelievable.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Biggest mistake Dubas made was hiring a rookie coach. It was very cocky of him (being a rookie himself)... possibly he wanted a coach who would respect him and not push back like Babs did and maybe veteran coaches would...maybe he wanted a puppet. Doesn't matter the team looks totally unprepared for playoff hockey.

That "rookie coach" has the 2nd highest points % in history for coaches with more than 100 games.

At some point the players just have to win games and break through.