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GDT: GM#82 LA Kings vs Vegas Golden Knights @7:00pm 4/6/19 Last ****ing game of this miserable season

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SettlementRichie10 said:
Vegas is a good team and a good story. And LA sports fans have had a terrible reputation for much, much longer.

The salt is real with you, man. I really can’t fathom how you can hate Vegas more than Anaheim or SJ. There are literal decades of bad blood with those teams.
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Should have worded it better. I hate their fans more than the other two.
 
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SettlementRichie10 said:
Vegas is a good team and a good story. And LA sports fans have had a terrible reputation for much, much longer.

The salt is real with you, man. I really can’t fathom how you can hate Vegas more than Anaheim or SJ. There are literal decades of bad blood with those teams.
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No offense, but not a f***ing chance.

Anaheim? Still a pretty manufactured rivalry. The dirtiest thing htat's ever happened happened the other night with the sucker punches. The players from both teams seem to like eachother and though there are scraps there's rarely anything disrespectful. On top of al that we've only had one playoff series and came out on top, and we regularly outnumber them at even their own barn, so most of the fan interactions have been 'meh' at best and fun at worst, plus we're brothers-in-arms this season being awful together. I don't see any REAL bad blood here other than some force BS between the fans.

SJ? Rivalry, but they're still pretty respectful as a whole, considering the history of several years of brutal playoff bouts. Remember that we have a fan danceoff with these guys damn near every spring so they're pretty good at separating the game from the fans, plus no matter what happens next we'll always have the reverse sweep to rub their noses in.

Vegas? Give me a break. Born on 3rd base entitlement coupled with the castoff fans of our other rivals amplifies their immediate success to more bullshittery than I've seen from any base since the Canucks fans came around in the early 2010s. They whooped us in the playoffs, and they pretend we were never successful since they act like there was no NHL history before there was a franchise, so zero respect for this franchise in any way. Bush league extreme. The way they've excused every action of their team is nonsense, from the buttends to Kopitar's face (he deserved it, 2 min at best) to Bellemare's shot on Clifford they've got a smug way of mocking everything Kings and it's insufferable.

It's no contest in my book too. Pour me some salt.
 
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BigKing said:
Should have worded it better. I hate their fans more than the other two.
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That’s just a difficult one for me to agree with. Dozens of my friends and family are Knights fans, and they’re all normal, passionate hockey fans. Calling them “entitled meth heads” is a little ridiculous, right?

You also have to understand why the general fanbase has a chip on its shoulder. We endured two years of the elitist Canadian hockey world taking jabs at our city, saying we should be called the “Las Vegas Hookers,” saying hockey would never work in the desert, etc.

Lastly, of course you’re going to have people here switching allegiances from their home town team. Vegas is a city full of transplants.
 
SettlementRichie10 said:
That’s just a difficult one for me to agree with. Dozens of my friends and family are Knights fans, and they’re all normal, passionate hockey fans. Calling them “entitled meth heads” is a little ridiculous, right?

You also have to understand why the general fanbase has a chip on its shoulder. We endured two years of the elitist Canadian hockey world taking jabs at our city, saying we should be called the “Las Vegas Hookers,” saying hockey would never work in the desert, etc.

Lastly, of course you’re going to have people here switching allegiances from their home town team. Vegas is a city full of transplants.
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It goes both ways with any fan base. You have level headed fans and you have your resident f***sticks.

Btw, looks as if Las Vegas Hookers was already taken by an amateur club in the city prior to the Knights getting the team.

Wasn’t really elitist Canadians, they got beaten to it. Stealing ideas, Fug off Canada! :laugh:

Las Vegas Loses Its Mind Over NHL Expansion Team
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
No offense, but not a ****ing chance.

Anaheim? Still a pretty manufactured rivalry. The dirtiest thing htat's ever happened happened the other night with the sucker punches. The players from both teams seem to like eachother and though there are scraps there's rarely anything disrespectful. On top of al that we've only had one playoff series and came out on top, and we regularly outnumber them at even their own barn, so most of the fan interactions have been 'meh' at best and fun at worst, plus we're brothers-in-arms this season being awful together. I don't see any REAL bad blood here other than some force BS between the fans.

SJ? Rivalry, but they're still pretty respectful as a whole, considering the history of several years of brutal playoff bouts. Remember that we have a fan danceoff with these guys damn near every spring so they're pretty good at separating the game from the fans, plus no matter what happens next we'll always have the reverse sweep to rub their noses in.

Vegas? Give me a break. Born on 3rd base entitlement coupled with the castoff fans of our other rivals amplifies their immediate success to more bull****tery than I've seen from any base since the Canucks fans came around in the early 2010s. They whooped us in the playoffs, and they pretend we were never successful since they act like there was no NHL history before there was a franchise, so zero respect for this franchise in any way. Bush league extreme. The way they've excused every action of their team is nonsense, from the buttends to Kopitar's face (he deserved it, 2 min at best) to Bellemare's shot on Clifford they've got a smug way of mocking everything Kings and it's insufferable.

It's no contest in my book too. Pour me some salt.
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Everyone in the NHL was belly laughing at the Knights expansion draft and pegging them for a sure fire lottery pick. Then it was just a fluke season. Now they were “born on third base.” Make up your minds.

And can you really blame Knights fans for zeroing in on the Kings after Doughty’s embarrassing rant last year? The guy straight up said the Kings would finish higher than the Knights by the end of the season. It’s not the Knights fault that Doughty is a moron. And why are the Kings suddenly owed so much respect, anyway? We’ve been one of the most embarrassingly managed hockey clubs in the league over the past four years. How much respect do we give Toronto or Montreal or Edmonton fans for their franchises’ past achievements?

Anaheim, fine. I personally don’t see how anyone cannot hate Getzlaf and Perry and Hayward and everyone else in that franchise. And yeah, their fans were totally respectful in 2007 with the “first California team to win a Cup” rhetoric. But whatever, manufactured rivalry, sure.

But San Jose? Really? We’ve had so many protracted wars with SJ. Torres nearly killed Stoll a few years ago. Thornton literally rubbed his ass on the Kings logo at center ice in 2011. Couture gloating to the media after 2016. Constant complaints about “Hollywood Hockey” and the league literally fixing games to help out the Kings.

How short is your memory?
 
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SettlementRichie10 said:
Everyone in the NHL was belly laughing at the Knights expansion draft and pegging them for a sure fire lottery pick. Then it was just a fluke season. Now they were “born on third base.” Make up your minds.

And can you really blame Knights fans for zeroing in on the Kings after Doughty’s embarrassing rant last year? The guy straight up said the Kings would finish higher than the Knights by the end of the season. It’s not the Knights fault that Doughty is a moron. And why are the Kings suddenly owed so much respect, anyway? We’ve been one of the most embarrassingly managed hockey clubs in the league over the past four years. How much respect do we give Toronto or Montreal or Edmonton fans for their franchises’ past achievements?

Anaheim, fine. I personally don’t see how anyone cannot hate Getzlaf and Perry and Hayward and everyone else in that franchise. And yeah, their fans were totally respectful in 2007 with the “first California team to win a Cup” rhetoric. But whatever, manufactured rivalry, sure.

But San Jose? Really? We’ve had so many protracted wars with SJ. Torres nearly killed Stoll a few years ago. Thornton literally rubbed his ass on the Kings logo at center ice in 2011. Couture gloating to the media after 2016. Constant complaints about “Hollywood Hockey” and the league literally fixing games to help out the Kings.

How short is your memory?
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Well, we know how short yours is, at least. :eyeroll: I'm guessing you haven't been at staples while VGK's been in town.

If only it was zeroed in on the Kings. They have zero respect for anyone, it's just magnified here because half of their fans are castoffs from our rivals that have had to endure us kicking the shit out of them, and now they're pretending nothing happened before last year. The "born on third" thing is a reference to how Avs fans were acting when the Nordiques moved and they never knew failure. Luckily the '2nd generation' Avs fans get it. I can't wait till the VGK ones do, as well.

I found it really easy to get over those listed events when we smoked those teams at the most important times.

I mean you can defend VGK till you're blue in the face, it's not going to change my mind on rivalry feelings, I just hope you feel dirty doing it!
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Well, we know how short yours is, at least. :eyeroll: I'm guessing you haven't been at staples while VGK's been in town.

If only it was zeroed in on the Kings. They have zero respect for anyone, it's just magnified here because half of their fans are castoffs from our rivals that have had to endure us kicking the **** out of them, and now they're pretending nothing happened before last year. The "born on third" thing is a reference to how Avs fans were acting when the Nordiques moved and they never knew failure. Luckily the '2nd generation' Avs fans get it. I can't wait till the VGK ones do, as well.

I found it really easy to get over those listed events when we smoked those teams at the most important times.

I mean you can defend VGK till you're blue in the face, it's not going to change my mind on rivalry feelings, I just hope you feel dirty doing it!
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I’ve been to countless games at Staples, and the worst fans were by far Vancouver and San Jose fans. We all have different experiences. Judging any fanbase as a monolith is foolish.

I’m a Vegas native. Many of my close friends and family are Knights fans. They’re all regular people. Surely you see why I would take offense to comments like calling the Knights fanbase “entitled meth heads.”

Moreover, how long have you had to “suffer” without any pro team to cheer for at all? People in Vegas have been asking for a pro team in any sport for decades. Up until 17/18, we were the biggest media market in North America without a single team in the big four. So you can f*** right off with your “suffering” gatekeeping.

I’m sure the fanbase will shrink when the Knights go through some bad years. The Kings fanbase did the same, as do most fanbases. The Kings fanbase is shrinking right now. Why is this so important to you? Every fanbase goes through this. Do you remember what this board was like circa 2012-2014?

I will always root for the Kings over the Knights because I grew up watching the Kings and I love our team. But I have no problem whatsoever rooting for the Knights in every other circumstance as a Vegas native. I can’t believe I need to justify this to you.
 
SettlementRichie10 said:
I’ve been to countless games at Staples, and the worst fans were by far Vancouver and San Jose fans. We all have different experiences. Judging any fanbase as a monolith is foolish.

I’m a Vegas native. Many of my close friends and family are Knights fans. They’re all regular people. Surely you see why I would take offense to comments like calling the Knights fanbase “entitled meth heads.”

Moreover, how long have you had to “suffer” without any pro team to cheer for at all? People in Vegas have been asking for a pro team in any sport for decades. Up until 17/18, we were the biggest media market in North America without a single team in the big four. So you can **** right off with your “suffering” gatekeeping.

I’m sure the fanbase will shrink when the Knights go through some bad years. The Kings fanbase did the same, as do most fanbases. The Kings fanbase is shrinking right now. Why is this so important to you? Every fanbase goes through this. Do you remember what this board was like circa 2012-2014?

I will always root for the Kings over the Knights because I grew up watching the Kings and I love our team. But I have no problem whatsoever rooting for the Knights in every other circumstance as a Vegas native. I can’t believe I need to justify this to you.
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Vegas is your 2nd favorite team so it basically disqualifies you from opining on who we should dislike more since you are from the city and pull for them after LA.

You're a good poster and I know you take offense to when I shit on your city or its fans. I have no problem with you criticizing my comments since you are sticking up for your city: it would probably be lame if you didn't.

That being said, they are the worst visiting fans to Staples since probably Canucks fans back when they were good. Hawks bandwagon was a problem too but at least their team was so good that you could respect some arrogance.

Knights fans seem to want to make the Kings their top rival, which makes sense since the Kings were pretty much the hockey market in Vegas and there is so much overlap between the city and SoCal. The problem is the success has made them complete assholes and they roll in to Staples like they own the place, looking to antagonize the home crowd.

I'm sure your friends and family are great and are not represented by the trash I continually come across at Staples. My personal experience, however, is what it is so I will continue to root against Vegas at every turn until their fans can be served some humility. As others have mentioned, it is very reminiscent of the original Avs fans with the only exception being at least Vegas didn't receive an all-star team from another city.
 
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SettlementRichie10 said:
I’ve been to countless games at Staples, and the worst fans were by far Vancouver and San Jose fans. We all have different experiences. Judging any fanbase as a monolith is foolish.

I’m a Vegas native. Many of my close friends and family are Knights fans. They’re all regular people. Surely you see why I would take offense to comments like calling the Knights fanbase “entitled meth heads.”

Moreover, how long have you had to “suffer” without any pro team to cheer for at all? People in Vegas have been asking for a pro team in any sport for decades. Up until 17/18, we were the biggest media market in North America without a single team in the big four. So you can **** right off with your “suffering” gatekeeping.

I’m sure the fanbase will shrink when the Knights go through some bad years. The Kings fanbase did the same, as do most fanbases. The Kings fanbase is shrinking right now. Why is this so important to you? Every fanbase goes through this. Do you remember what this board was like circa 2012-2014?

I will always root for the Kings over the Knights because I grew up watching the Kings and I love our team. But I have no problem whatsoever rooting for the Knights in every other circumstance as a Vegas native. I can’t believe I need to justify this to you.
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You don't.

If the shoe doesn't fit, you don't have to try so hard to wear it.

Yet going back to your first boldfaced, you could have avoided the whole unnecessary lecture by taking your own advice.

If you want to stand up for your family or something I can't believe I need to say something stupid like not all Vegas fans because I thought we'd all be able to give each other enough respect to understand that tacitly. I even have plenty of fun with some of them on these very boards. But my poorest experiences in all of my hockey memory, going back to my first game in 1987, have been with VGK fans. That's impressive. It's also anecdotal, so no need to paint it into something it's not after attacking my opinion for preferring a different fanbase.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
You don't.

If the shoe doesn't fit, you don't have to try so hard to wear it.

Yet going back to your first boldfaced, you could have avoided the whole unnecessary lecture by taking your own advice.

If you want to stand up for your family or something I can't believe I need to say something stupid like not all Vegas fans because I thought we'd all be able to give each other enough respect to understand that tacitly. I even have plenty of fun with some of them on these very boards. But my poorest experiences in all of my hockey memory, going back to my first game in 1987, have been with VGK fans. That's impressive. It's also anecdotal, so no need to paint it into something it's not after attacking my opinion for preferring a different fanbase.
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Guys. We have all had problems with opposing fans. This is gone far. Every team has bad fans. Every team has good fans.
 
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BigKing said:
Vegas is your 2nd favorite team so it basically disqualifies you from opining on who we should dislike more since you are from the city and pull for them after LA.

You're a good poster and I know you take offense to when I **** on your city or its fans. I have no problem with you criticizing my comments since you are sticking up for your city: it would probably be lame if you didn't.

That being said, they are the worst visiting fans to Staples since probably Canucks fans back when they were good. Hawks bandwagon was a problem too but at least their team was so good that you could respect some arrogance.

Knights fans seem to want to make the Kings their top rival, which makes sense since the Kings were pretty much the hockey market in Vegas and there is so much overlap between the city and SoCal. The problem is the success has made them complete *******s and they roll in to Staples like they own the place, looking to antagonize the home crowd.

I'm sure your friends and family are great and are not represented by the trash I continually come across at Staples. My personal experience, however, is what it is so I will continue to root against Vegas at every turn until their fans can be served some humility. As others have mentioned, it is very reminiscent of the original Avs fans with the only exception being at least Vegas didn't receive an all-star team from another city.
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I don’t doubt the fanbase as a whole has a chip on its shoulder. I can remove the homer glasses enough to see that. But I also have a firm understanding of why that chip is there.

From the very beginning, the general hockey world treated the team in Vegas as sort of a novel joke. In this regard, Kings fans weren’t even that bad. In fact, Kings fans were borderline supportive because we’ve all dealt with “non traditional hockey market” gatekeeping for 40 years in this sport.

Everyone laughed at the name, the logo, the colors, the expansion draft, the pregame show, all of it. And when the team turned out to be actually good, everyone changed the script and started complaining about how unfair the expansion draft was. From Vegas’s perspective, it’s hard to take that any other way than sour grapes.

The Doughty comments midway through the season really turned a lot of people’s ire on the Kings for sure. And again, can you really blame Vegas there? Doughty ran his mouth and looked like a fool. Can you imagine if midway through 11/12, Henrik Sedin said, “I’m sure the Canucks will be better than LA at the end of the year.” We’d never let them forget about that.

I was at game one of the Sharks series, and the pregame video package was just a ton of clips throughout the year of hockey analysts crapping on Vegas. The final clip was Doughty himself. People went ballistic. It was one of the loudest pregame atmospheres I’ve ever witnessed, and I was at game four of the St Louis series in 2012. This may be a silly analogy, but imagine a kid getting bullied nonstop on the playground. Then that kid grows up and becomes a champion MMA fighter. He’d have some hangups, too.

Basically, the Knights fanbase is Conor Mcgregor :laugh:

In all seriousness, yes, I think pretty much everything you said is fair here. Your experience is your experience. My only consistent gripe is the “suffering” rhetoric, as if all fans must suffer equally before they’re allowed to root for a good team. I just don’t agree with that sentiment. People in Vegas were unfairly denied a pro sports teams for decades. No, that’s not the same as watching your team struggle and fail for 40 years before witnessing a championship. But it is its own kind of suffering.
 
My take is that Vegas fans are like a combination of Vancouver, Toronto, Red Wings, early 2000s Avs fans and Flyers fans. Basically the worst of everything lumped into one group. And that's only based off my experiences at Staples Center.
 
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The single worst experience I’ve ever had at a Kings game - and I’ve been to many losses - was last year’s series finale against Vegas. Vegas fans were actually yelling at me outside Staples, gloating and stuff, after the Kings lost. It was bizarre.
 
At the end of the day, there have been a large number of asshole Vegas fans at Staples. I don't care about the sports psyche of the Vegas native as I didn't "bully" them or crap on their sports fandom.

I do subscribe to the suffering aspect of fandom so I don't like it when any new fan base immediately wins. That being said, fans of these fortunate teams didn't choose to be so fortunate; however, they do choose how to act.

It's been antagonistic from the get go. The kind of dick wads that turn around to face the entire section after a goal is scored and start talking shit. If I wasn't old at this point and this was back in the 00's, I'm sure I would have done something stupid by now. I actually wasn't going to go to the last game of the year for the first time since I've had seats since the 2002 season solely because it was against Vegas. I sucked it up and went but this season also saw the first time I left a game early since having seats. You guessed it: Vegas.

I'd love to see them get swept so their fans can just be checked a little bit. At the very least, I'd like to see them not get past the 1st round this year so these new jacks learn that you don't just roll to the SCF every year. Whatever it takes to temper the rampant douchebaggery. The market is fine after last year and another playoff trip this year: they don't need to advance for hockey to survive there.
 
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