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GDT: GM#64 LA Kings vs Vegas Golden Knights @7:30

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Reaves penalties last night were not game losing and, honestly, should not have been called penalties.

It's hyperbolic to blame him for Vegas losing both games. The penalty in LA was a huge one but last night's were not. That being said, he does not make their team any better and they should have received much more of a sweetener to take on Brassard's money.
 
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BigKing said:
Reaves penalties last night were not game losing and, honestly, should not have been called penalties.

It's hyperbolic to blame him for Vegas losing both games. The penalty in LA was a huge one but last night's were not. That being said, he does not make their team any better and they should have received much more of a sweetener to take on Brassard's money.
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Forbort hit looked clean. Doughty's is 50/50.

Reaves penalties pretty much sunk whatever chance Vegas had at a comeback. Not giving your team a chance to mount a comeback could be considered losing a game. Just because they were down a few goals doesn't mean they were done. Need you be reminded of the King's previous two games?

Edit: Also, anyone notice Faust is slightly homerish even in national broadcast? He shows enthusiasm for both teams scoring but there are subtle things like calling faceoff wins. For example, on one face off, I remember him calling it as Mitchell losing vs Vegas winning :)
 
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sdgulls said:
Forbort hit looked clean. Doughty's is 50/50.

Reaves penalties pretty much sunk whatever chance Vegas had at a comeback. Not giving your team a chance to mount a comeback could be considered losing a game. Just because they were down a few goals doesn't mean they were done. Need you be reminded of the King's previous two games?

Edit: Also, anyone notice Faust is slightly homerish even in national broadcast? He shows enthusiasm for both teams scoring but there are subtle things like calling faceoff wins. For example, on one face off, I remember him calling it as Mitchell losing vs Vegas winning :)
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Could be, but it would be wrong. They were already down by two goals. He ruined any reasonable chance at a comeback, but he did not "lose them the game" since Carpenter/Engelland/Sbisa already did their parts. He didn't even lose them the game on Monday anymore than McNabb did by not clearing the zone in the last minute or Miller taking the OT penalty.

Everyone wants to pile on the bully and I get it. As a Kings fan, I enjoyed how he was shortening the game since the Kings need the points. As a hockey fan, I was disappointed in the penalty calls: especially the hit on Forbort.
 
Kingspiracy said:
Didnt the mighty dwighty have a cuddle fight with reaves once? #bringbackthesmile
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He sure did. Fared well in it since he was so strong and basically played defense the entire time.

Kings don't really have anyone right now that can even wrestle with him without the possibility of getting hammered. Dwight was really a huge dude which is why he could be very effective when he decided to use his size. He was so maddening because he'd generally just play too politely.
 
BigKing said:
Could be, but it would be wrong. They were already down by two goals. He ruined any reasonable chance at a comeback, but he did not "lose them the game" since Carpenter/Engelland/Sbisa already did their parts. He didn't even lose them the game on Monday anymore than McNabb did by not clearing the zone in the last minute or Miller taking the OT penalty.

Everyone wants to pile on the bully and I get it. As a Kings fan, I enjoyed how he was shortening the game since the Kings need the points. As a hockey fan, I was disappointed in the penalty calls: especially the hit on Forbort.
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Your entitled to your opinion, but it was clear what reaves was trying to do, and cost his team any chance of a comeback. Clean or not, he got penalized more for his intentions than anything else. If the game was tied I guarantee you he see less ice time and doesn't try to do the things he was trying.

I hope he stays on that team and in the lineup. Bottom line he makes them worse.

Edit...misread where you agreed he cost them the comeback.....agree with you he didn't cost them the game
 
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Winger23 said:
Your entitled to your opinion, but it was clear what reaves was trying to do, and cost his team any chance of a comeback. Clean or not, he got penalized more for his intentions than anything else. If the game was tied I guarantee you he see less ice time and doesn't try to do the things he was trying.

I hope he stays on that team and in the lineup. Bottom line he makes them worse.
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So you agree with me? He helped significantly reduce the chances of a comeback and was penalized for reputation as opposed to losing the game for Vegas by committing flagrant penalties.

I agree that he wouldn't of seen the ice time if it was a tie game or they were down one goal. Gallant didn't give a shit because they have 87 points. Even then, he almost scored right before the penalty he took against Doughty because NOBODY on the Kings wanted to deal with him. He and Forbort went into the corner on a dump in, Forbort had inside position and bailed on it because he didn't want to get creamed again. Allowed Vegas to keep possession and then Reaves almost got a rebound goal.

I agree that he doesn't make them a better hockey team moving forward and probably won't be seeing much time in the playoffs for them. In a game where they aren't dying for points and are playing a potential first round opponent, however, he did his job and was unfairly targeted by the refs which makes it look bad. Vegas doesn't need the point but Reaves hit Forbort so hard that Forbort wussed out on making a play next time which almost led to a goal and he sent Kempe and Kopitar hurting to the bench.

If you are going to lose a game, that's the way to go down losing by having the other team wake up sore the next day. Now, if Reaves were on the Kings and it was the Kings down by two goals and desperately needing points, then his "antics" would be a much different story and would align with how he is being ripped on these boards. Of course, he wouldn't be on the ice, like you said. Gallant punted though and chose to just unleash his linebacker on a potential first round opponent and Reaves did his job.
 
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BigKing said:
Could be, but it would be wrong. They were already down by two goals. He ruined any reasonable chance at a comeback, but he did not "lose them the game" since Carpenter/Engelland/Sbisa already did their parts. He didn't even lose them the game on Monday anymore than McNabb did by not clearing the zone in the last minute or Miller taking the OT penalty.

Everyone wants to pile on the bully and I get it. As a Kings fan, I enjoyed how he was shortening the game since the Kings need the points. As a hockey fan, I was disappointed in the penalty calls: especially the hit on Forbort.
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The two Reaves' incidents I was most pissed about last night weren't the penalties that were called. I was first pissed about that rotational elbow he threw to Folin's head in the process of taking him to the ice. And then I was also pissed about that borderline late hit on Kopitar where he came from a pretty steep angle in Kopitar's blindspot and led with his elbow into Kopitar's ribs.

Reaves was running around all over the place in the third, and part of me wouldn't be surprised if the refs were trying to keep the game from spiraling out of control when they called those iffy penalties on Reaves.
 
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Chazz Reinhold said:
The two Reaves' incidents I was most pissed about last night weren't the penalties that were called. I was first pissed about that rotational elbow he threw to Folin's head in the process of taking him to the ice. And then I was also pissed about that borderline late hit on Kopitar where he came from a pretty steep angle in Kopitar's blindspot and led with his elbow intp Kopitar's ribs.

Reaves was running around all over the place in the third, and part of me wouldn't be surprised if the refs were trying to keep the game from spiraling out of control when they called those iffy penalties on Reaves.
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Oh, the refs target anyone with a rep as a fighter. I don't like it even if it benefits the Kings. I was very surprised they didn't just find a way to hand him a 10 minute misconduct because that's what they usually do.

The Kopitar hit was the one to get most upset about because it was a hit on the team's best player. Nothing wrong with it except the team's best player getting trucked. As I said earlier today, however, the Kings just need to take his number and square it up at another time. Had to get the points last night and just maintain that lead. There will be a time and a place.
 
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BigKing said:
So you agree with me? He helped significantly reduce the chances of a comeback and was penalized for reputation as opposed to losing the game for Vegas by committing flagrant penalties.

I agree that he wouldn't of seen the ice time if it was a tie game or they were down one goal. Gallant didn't give a **** because they have 87 points. Even then, he almost scored right before the penalty he took against Doughty because NOBODY on the Kings wanted to deal with him. He and Forbort went into the corner on a dump in, Forbort had inside position and bailed on it because he didn't want to get creamed again. Allowed Vegas to keep possession and then Reaves almost got a rebound goal.

I agree that he doesn't make them a better hockey team moving forward and probably won't be seeing much time in the playoffs for them. In a game where they aren't dying for points and are playing a potential first round opponent, however, he did his job and was unfairly targeted by the refs which makes it look bad. Vegas doesn't need the point but Reaves hit Forbort so hard that Forbort wussed out on making a play next time which almost led to a goal and he sent Kempe and Kopitar hurting to the bench.

If you are going to lose a game, that's the way to go down losing by having the other team wake up sore the next day. Now, if Reaves were on the Kings and it was the Kings down by two goals and desperately needing points, then his "antics" would be a much different story and would align with how he is being ripped on these boards. Of course, he wouldn't be on the ice, like you said. Gallant punted though and chose to just unleash his linebacker on a potential first round opponent and Reaves did his job.
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I agreed to a point. I don't mind the refs calling it not because it was a clean hit, which is was, but the time and situation. It was their way of stopping a situation before it started. Everyone and their mother knew the intentions going on. Reaves sending a message is fine, nothing wrong with it, but I think the refs were also trying to control the situation given the game meant nothing for las Vegas.
 
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Winger23 said:
I agreed to a point. I don't mind the refs calling it not because it was a clean hit, which is was, but the time and situation. It was their way of stopping a situation before it started. Everyone and their mother knew the intentions going on. Reaves sending a message is fine, nothing wrong with it, but I think the refs were also trying to control the situation given the game meant nothing for las Vegas.
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I'm not a fan of calling penalties that aren't actually penalties in order to "keep the peace" just like I'm not a fan of the 10 minute misconduct they pass out like candy now. They've done enough already to limit end of game shenanigans (decrease game day roster size, suspensions for instigators with under five minutes left) that they shouldn't have to also call phantom penalties on top of it.

Reaves is doing pretty much the only useful thing he does--other than fight--by getting in extremely hard on the forecheck and he gets a penalty for, I don't know, being too big and being too much of an asshole? Hits do cause turnovers which can lead to goals as well as frighten defenseman and keep them from being the first to a puck in the corner, which happened with Forbort on Reaves next shift or two.

The penalty he got for "roughing" Doughty was really the "zero tolerance" call to try to keep him in check. I get why they do it, I just can't stand it. The call on the Forbort hit was a total joke though and we'd be screaming about it if that was Brown making the hit.

I will say this: the talking heads and out-of-town fans talking about how they want to see these two teams meet in the playoffs aren't just saying it because of the quality of the hockey: it's due in large part to the animosity. Same goes for LA v. ANA or CGY. The League wants "Rivalry Night" and also wants to foster rivalries by forcing divisional playoff games, yet they want to stifle the very things that actually cause bad blood. We see Calgary coming up on the schedule and everyone is "Doughty/Tkachuk tonight" and not "Will the LA power play break through Mike Smith tonight?" It's a fine line since they can't (won't) allow things to become a total circus like it used to be, but they should let it be at least a local school Harvest Festival every once in awhile. Call the game for what is actually transpiring and not what you are afraid is going to happen. Shouldn't be giving speeding tickets when someone is going 55 in a 65 because you think they will do 90 in a few minutes.
 
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BigKing said:
The penalty he got for "roughing" Doughty was really the "zero tolerance" call to try to keep him in check. I get why they do it, I just can't stand it. The call on the Forbort hit was a total joke though and we'd be screaming about it if that was Brown making the hit.
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The Forbort penalty was more with the fact he made no attempt to play the puck and there was head contact with the glass . He probably should've gotten one on the Kopitar hit seeing how far he had to travel to"finish the check" and the way he used his elbow to drive the hit into his chest, not his shoulder.
 
The fact that the guy has like 5 questionable plays in the last 5 minutes of the game says all that needs to be said about him. I don't care, keep rolling him out there Vegas, see how that works out for you.
 
Bandit said:
The fact that the guy has like 5 questionable plays in the last 5 minutes of the game says all that needs to be said about him. I don't care, keep rolling him out there Vegas, see how that works out for you.
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It seemed to me that he was getting more shifts the later the game went on, especially once it went to 3-1.
 
Bandit said:
The league doesn't really want rivalry night because they don't actually want players fighting anymore.
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Ofcourse not, the lawsuits are already starting to roll in and NHL enforcers seem to have the same life expectancy as WWF wrestlers.

It'll never be completely removed but guys like Reaves are truly the last of their kind, and even Reaves would skate circles around the goons of the 80's and 90's.
 
BigKing said:
Call the game for what is actually transpiring and not what you are afraid is going to happen. Shouldn't be giving speeding tickets when someone is going 55 in a 65 because you think they will do 90 in a few minutes.
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the better comparison would be that he was doing 70 in a 65 and is acting surprised that he got a speeding ticket. there's something to be said for putting a target on your back then whining when a borderline call goes against you. was the forbort hit a board? probably not by the common "through the numbers" definition but he took strides and buried a guy that was vulnerable. put a target on your back and you're getting the gate, especially with how he was showing up the refs all night

he crosschecked doughty in the chest. regardless of the embellishment, the infraction happened. target, etc...
 
I thought the penalty he got on Doughty was when he glanced the check up to Drew's dome, they'd better call that every time, especially after they missed him butt-ending Kopitar in the face when he was on the Blues.

Not convinced the one on Forbort was actually a penalty but if they would have called it a charge I wouldn't have blinked.

I too did not like the attempt at Folin's head when they took each other down.

It was really clear what Reaves was there to do and why Gallant put him out there. I dig old school message-sending hockey but he wasn't playing hockey, he was literally trying to get called for penalties, the refs just indulged him.
 
Those penalties were subjective at best. Refs knew what Reaves was up to. They were going to see how far Reaves was going to take it - these guys understand the game too. The penalty on Forbort's hit was evened out with the non-call on Kopi. That hit was late even if a clean hit (which it wasn't).
 
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