GDT: GM#63 LA Kings vs Vegas Golden Knights @7:30

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RJ...that's a ridiculous take since nobody is saying anything like that.

That was a perfect time to stand up for himself last night. Leader of men and all that jazz. Losers of two in a row at home while being knocked all over the ice in the Dallas game. Down 2-0 in the 3rd and your star defenseman gets sat down by Perron and then cross checked while he's down.

Perron basically rubbed the Kings' face in the dirt right there. Doughty doesn't even have to trade punches. We aren't asking for Probert v. Domi here: just wrestle with him just as long as the glue comes off the gloves.

We rag on Fox a lot and it is mostly deserved, but one thing he does say about fighting in hockey is that your teammates just appreciate that you show up. Would have been great to see him do it right then as the building would have gone bananas and I'm sure the team would have been greatly energized.

Nobody is asking him to fight with any sort of regularity, but most every star player in this league stands up for themselves more than once every ten years. The odds of him getting hurt in a fight are probably less than the odds of him getting hurt during his normal allotment of PK minutes per game.

The excuses being made for him are just excuses being made because you really like the guy. If he was on the Ducks, he would be raked across the coals by the majority of HF Kings for being a ***** but, instead, myself and others are in the minority because he's "our" *****.

But asking for Doughty to stand up in a routine scrum and just drop em--with a dude who has no intention of dropping them--is saying something in that neighborhood. Because it's going to invite every agitator in the league to give Drew even more attention.

He stood up, had a go at Perron--which is more than he usually does--and they took each other down. I liked it. The team got a boost after it.

Now I'd love to see him fight Perron almost as much as I'd like to see him fight Tkachuk, but suggesting he has to do it isn't something I agree with. Like if Clifford would have dropped them with Reaves last night--totally pointless and playing right into their hands. I agree that Drew can show even more leadership and maybe dropping em sometime would fire the team up but taking arguably the best d-man in the league off the rink because he took a meaningless, painless extra shot is exactly what 30 other teams would want to happen. Bad move.

Besides, he's raked over the coals for being a bitch a whole lot of the time, I don't know what you think you're not seeing, other than the majority don't want him fighting.


I mean even Luc Robitaille stood up for himself not once, but twice in one game, against Chris Chelios of all people. Doughty needs to sack up and drop the gloves at least once in his career.

He did, against Joe Thornton, who he gave up all sorts of height and weight to and who has fought legit heavies.

 
Our 30-min-a-night arguably best d-man in the league needs to fight every 10 games to appease the fans now. Because that won't make MORE plugs run him and try to take him off the ice.
Doughty is not going to change his ways and I sure as f*** don't want him fighting useless players so our fans can get a kick out of it. Let's say he gets hurt- breaks his hand or gets a concussion, then everybody here would be bitching about our already inconsistent D. The game has changed, not everybody is a fighter. Better get used to it.
 
Also, man, watching the highlights of last night and had to fully rewatch the last 4-5 minutes...that was a playoff vibe at the end. Building just got loud and exploded, and Alex's call was fantastic. Gave me chills. I haven't been that pumped at the end of a regular season game in...I really can't remember.
 
But asking for Doughty to stand up in a routine scrum and just drop em--with a dude who has no intention of dropping them--is saying something in that neighborhood. Because it's going to invite every agitator in the league to give Drew even more attention.

He stood up, had a go at Perron--which is more than he usually does--and they took each other down. I liked it. The team got a boost after it.

Now I'd love to see him fight Perron almost as much as I'd like to see him fight Tkachuk, but suggesting he has to do it isn't something I agree with. Like if Clifford would have dropped them with Reaves last night--totally pointless and playing right into their hands. I agree that Drew can show even more leadership and maybe dropping em sometime would fire the team up but taking arguably the best d-man in the league off the rink because he took a meaningless, painless extra shot is exactly what 30 other teams would want to happen. Bad move.

Besides, he's raked over the coals for being a ***** a whole lot of the time, I don't know what you think you're not seeing, other than the majority don't want him fighting.





He did, against Joe Thornton, who he gave up all sorts of height and weight to and who has fought legit heavies.



Maybe I missed a lot for the past decade?
Doughty is one of our stars and he should be the last few to drop the gloves.
His presence on the ice worth much much more than punching somebody but got nothing in return.
If Doughty got roughed, our tough guys should intervene.
Maybe I really missed some hockey evolution...
 
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You and the rest of the "he could get hurt" and "everyone will take runs at him now" crowd are never going to even budge so us arguing about it is kind of pointless. I will say this, however:

-Perron would have dropped his gloves if Doughty did.
-Funny to read most everyone on here bemoan how soft the team is yet it is perfectly okay for the guy wearing an "A" who runs his mouth all of the time to be soft.
-Clifford/Reaves is not a valid comparison. Completely different scenarios.
-"Off the ice for five minutes". I know he eats minutes, but does he take five minute shifts?
-I don't see people trying to get Crosby/Malkin/Toews/Pavelski/Burns/Hedman etc..to fight every game just because those guys have dropped the gloves before. That argument is complete garbage and not rooted in reality. It's an excuse for him to not fight that is proven not to be real based on other star players who have fought.

Last, but certainly not least, what was the date of his one and only fight that you posted? What did the Kings go on to do that year? How did that team used to play? Do the majority of us yearn for that team with the "killer instinct" etc...as opposed to the softness we see now? Can you not see the correlation and what most of us are talking about with him and that it doesn't mean he needs to fight all of the time?
 
If Doughty would of fought Perron, he would of lost and no way does not a team gain any momentum from that. From that point a fire was light under Kopitar and got Reaves to penalize him. Last night the team leaders took over and delivered.
 
Anyone else annoyed the Kings players never stand up when honoring people? I don't care about them raising their sticks after games or the season to the fans. That part doesn't bother me. What does bother me is the Kings organization is honoring the USA women's hockey team and the entire team is sitting and no one is clapping or tapping their sticks. I understand the majority of the team isn't American and they obviously prefer if their country had won but the Kings organization was honoring the team and the players represent the organization. Everyone on Vegas was standing and I'd imagine most of them aren't American either. I'm not saying they have to post stuff on social media praising the team or getting overly excited on the bench but would it kill them to stand and maybe even tap their sticks? It just bugs me a bit that they rarely ever stand when the Kings are honoring people.
 
Anyone else annoyed the Kings players never stand up when honoring people? I don't care about them raising their sticks after games or the season to the fans. That part doesn't bother me. What does bother me is the Kings organization is honoring the USA women's hockey team and the entire team is sitting and no one is clapping or tapping their sticks. I understand the majority of the team isn't American and they obviously prefer if their country had won but the Kings organization was honoring the team and the players represent the organization. Everyone on Vegas was standing and I'd imagine most of them aren't American either. I'm not saying they have to post stuff on social media praising the team or getting overly excited on the bench but would it kill them to stand and maybe even tap their sticks? It just bugs me a bit that they rarely ever stand when the Kings are honoring people.

I said it on other post (the kings are done)... Kopi was extremely happy and in a good mood... maybe that is enough?? :)

Seriously, yes, I agree of what you said. If we are honoring someone, the players AND fans should give a standing ovation.
 
RJ-
You and the rest of the "he could get hurt" and "everyone will take runs at him now" crowd are never going to even budge so us arguing about it is kind of pointless. I will say this, however:

-Perron would have dropped his gloves if Doughty did.
-Funny to read most everyone on here bemoan how soft the team is yet it is perfectly okay for the guy wearing an "A" who runs his mouth all of the time to be soft.
-Clifford/Reaves is not a valid comparison. Completely different scenarios.
-"Off the ice for five minutes". I know he eats minutes, but does he take five minute shifts?
-I don't see people trying to get Crosby/Malkin/Toews/Pavelski/Burns/Hedman etc..to fight every game just because those guys have dropped the gloves before. That argument is complete garbage and not rooted in reality. It's an excuse for him to not fight that is proven not to be real based on other star players who have fought.

Last, but certainly not least, what was the date of his one and only fight that you posted? What did the Kings go on to do that year? How did that team used to play? Do the majority of us yearn for that team with the "killer instinct" etc...as opposed to the softness we see now? Can you not see the correlation and what most of us are talking about with him and that it doesn't mean he needs to fight all of the time?

I'm simply saying I want him to be choosy.

Perron had zero intention of doing anything but goading Doughty to do something stupid, his gloves were glued on imo.

You say he's soft, but that was more of a response than usual, most of us would take that as a step in the right direction, but apparently unless it's a fight, it's nothing.

Clifford/Reaves obviously very different scenarios, the dots I'm drawing between those two is you don't fight simply to give a guy what he wants when there's no reason to indulge.

The Kings' D is abysmal with Drew off the ice, that's a perfect trade for Perron. No, he does not take 5 minute shifts, but he played in excess of 28 minutes last night--Perron taking him off the ice is at worst a forward for D trade, never mind an average forward for an elite D trade. Just dumb.

Maybe you don't because you don't watch them enough. Crosby fought Dubi, guess what happens every time they play? Malkin doesn't fight because he's too busy spearing. Toews' fight card roster is like an allstar game, but you want Drew to fight David f***ing Perron, rather than PK Subban, James Neal, etc. Also, slight difference--aside from Crosby and Toews, the rest of those guys are giant, physical monsters. If Doughty was Brent Burns/Hedman/Malkin size, this would be a lot less of a concern.

Doughty plays with emotion, and you want him to either fight or neuter it. That's bad on a team lacking any real fire. If he can pick his spot right, I'd be all for it. But he shouldn't be fighting the NHL middle class for no f***ing reason.
 
It's always going to be a bad "trade-off" talent wise when Doughty fights someone, pretty much. Point is that the trade-off is worth it every once in awhile, even if that "awhile" is once every five years. As for the lineup of star players who have fought, you aren't really making any valid points. So Dubi hounds Crosby? Cool. Is it because he fought him once or because that's what Dubi is going to do regardless? I know of this Tkachuk guy on Calgary that is a better player than Dubi and hounds Doughty around every time they play, including cheap shotting him with a giant elbow. Doughty never had to fight him to get that treatment so, again, getting in a fight against a guy doesn't mean a player is going to be on you the rest of your career. As for me wanting him to fight "David f***ing Perron", sure as shit I want him to fight that weasel who happens to be A PPG PLAYER THIS SEASON. He has more points than any King not named Kopitar this season yet he's being equated to pretty much a trash 4th liner by you and also to Bob Probert in his prime by others since Doughty would apparently be picking up his teeth even though he survived a legit fighter in Thornton.

Does Perron want Doughty off the ice for two minutes or five? If it is such a win for Perron, he's going to drop the gloves. If he would of supposedly lost the fight so easily to Perron, then why wouldn't Perron drop the gloves? Seems to be all in Perron's favor to drop the gloves except for the momentum and boost it would give the Kings. If he wouldn't drop the gloves because of that possibility, then it validates my argument.

As for Kopitar getting a fire lit under him, this entire team gets a fire lit under them once they are losing by a goal or two and there is 10 minutes left in the game. Kopitar doesn't need to get amped up from a slap fight to draw a penalty on Ryan Reaves.
 
Anyone else annoyed the Kings players never stand up when honoring people? I don't care about them raising their sticks after games or the season to the fans. That part doesn't bother me. What does bother me is the Kings organization is honoring the USA women's hockey team and the entire team is sitting and no one is clapping or tapping their sticks. I understand the majority of the team isn't American and they obviously prefer if their country had won but the Kings organization was honoring the team and the players represent the organization. Everyone on Vegas was standing and I'd imagine most of them aren't American either. I'm not saying they have to post stuff on social media praising the team or getting overly excited on the bench but would it kill them to stand and maybe even tap their sticks? It just bugs me a bit that they rarely ever stand when the Kings are honoring people.
Agree 100%.
 
Eh, I think the players are just getting ready for the game, not making statements. They fidget during the anthem too. Never really bugged me.
 
I'm one that doesn't really want to ever see Doughty fighting. He needs to walk away 99.9% of the time.
There nothing wrong with not fighting and fighting doesn't make you a leader anymore.
But last night wasn't the time or place to take himself off the ice for 5 minutes or more.
 
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It's always going to be a bad "trade-off" talent wise when Doughty fights someone, pretty much. Point is that the trade-off is worth it every once in awhile, even if that "awhile" is once every five years. As for the lineup of star players who have fought, you aren't really making any valid points. So Dubi hounds Crosby? Cool. Is it because he fought him once or because that's what Dubi is going to do regardless? I know of this Tkachuk guy on Calgary that is a better player than Dubi and hounds Doughty around every time they play, including cheap shotting him with a giant elbow. Doughty never had to fight him to get that treatment so, again, getting in a fight against a guy doesn't mean a player is going to be on you the rest of your career. As for me wanting him to fight "David ****ing Perron", sure as **** I want him to fight that weasel who happens to be A PPG PLAYER THIS SEASON. He has more points than any King not named Kopitar this season yet he's being equated to pretty much a trash 4th liner by you and also to Bob Probert in his prime by others since Doughty would apparently be picking up his teeth even though he survived a legit fighter in Thornton.

Does Perron want Doughty off the ice for two minutes or five? If it is such a win for Perron, he's going to drop the gloves. If he would of supposedly lost the fight so easily to Perron, then why wouldn't Perron drop the gloves? Seems to be all in Perron's favor to drop the gloves except for the momentum and boost it would give the Kings. If he wouldn't drop the gloves because of that possibility, then it validates my argument.

As for Kopitar getting a fire lit under him, this entire team gets a fire lit under them once they are losing by a goal or two and there is 10 minutes left in the game. Kopitar doesn't need to get amped up from a slap fight to draw a penalty on Ryan Reaves.

Hey, I totally agree with you on the boldfaced. But my take is last night vs. Perron was the worst time. And I don't think David Perron is some random 4th liner, but you brought up all these other star players and their fight cards, and the only thing remotely comparable is Crosby vs. Dubinsky, which is an ongoing rivalry. That might be evidence for an eventual Doughty-Tkachuk brawl, but that's about it. The rest of their fight cards--at least for Toews, Crosby--are mostly star players. Perron is not in the same class as Joe Thornton, bar none. Nor is Doughty as large as the other humans on your list so I don't like those comparisons period.

I just think using last night's non-incident as a flashpoint in the "doughty needs to drop the gloves" debate is, frankly, rubbish. It was a check gone south, followed by a barely crosscheck from behind. That's what led to my original statement that was hyperbolic about him having to fight every 10 games--if that incident is fight-worthy, Doughty's going to be spending the rest of his career fighting meaningless fights after random scrums. There's no statement to be made there any more than he already made by getting up and shoving Perron.
 
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Some already hate the Kings quite a bit in spite of being in first place with no west team really threatening them.

They're starting to eat their young
They're pretty damn spoiled to start off their history, they can suck it honestly. We had to go through decades of crap before we saw a winner.
 
I mean, aside from the Ducks, they're a pretty natural team for a rivalry. I love it.

IMO, they have to stay long enough, have some history on their book and win something (conference final if not the cup), then start talking about rivalry.

They have a great start, let's see if they can finish the business this season first.
 
Hey, I totally agree with you on the boldfaced. But my take is last night vs. Perron was the worst time. And I don't think David Perron is some random 4th liner, but you brought up all these other star players and their fight cards, and the only thing remotely comparable is Crosby vs. Dubinsky, which is an ongoing rivalry. That might be evidence for an eventual Doughty-Tkachuk brawl, but that's about it. The rest of their fight cards--at least for Toews, Crosby--are mostly star players. Perron is not in the same class as Joe Thornton, bar none. Nor is Doughty as large as the other humans on your list so I don't like those comparisons period.

I just think using last night's non-incident as a flashpoint in the "doughty needs to drop the gloves" debate is, frankly, rubbish. It was a check gone south, followed by a barely crosscheck from behind. That's what led to my original statement that was hyperbolic about him having to fight every 10 games--if that incident is fight-worthy, Doughty's going to be spending the rest of his career fighting meaningless fights after random scrums. There's no statement to be made there any more than he already made by getting up and shoving Perron.

It's going to be a lot different on TV. I'm sitting in the building watching the season slip away, being part of the crowd that starts to get real excited when it looks like something is going to happen and then being part of that same crowd that had the air let out of the balloon. "Man...look at Doughty saying enough is enough of this crap and we aren't going to take it!" as opposed to "Man...look at Doughty deciding to just slap fight and then be laying on the ice face first while Reaves stands there with his hands on Kopitar because teams do whatever the f*** they want to us in our own building."

The incident in-and-of-itself wasn't "fight worthy" under normal circumstances; however, it was perfect for what was going on. This isn't a micro event: it's macro.

It's all really a moot point with most because they were fortunate enough to pull it out with 10 seconds left on the clock. Last night was awesome and I'm buzzing off it a little bit still, but this is going to irk me regardless.

You say you want him to possibly fight at some point, yet you always argue against him fighting. I don't know what the "right time" is for you with Doughty fighting except for maybe never. That's fine and all, but you shouldn't take those of us that have said at certain points he should drop the gloves and make a statement that we want him to fight every 10 games.
 
It's going to be a lot different on TV. I'm sitting in the building watching the season slip away, being part of the crowd that starts to get real excited when it looks like something is going to happen and then being part of that same crowd that had the air let out of the balloon. "Man...look at Doughty saying enough is enough of this crap and we aren't going to take it!" as opposed to "Man...look at Doughty deciding to just slap fight and then be laying on the ice face first while Reaves stands there with his hands on Kopitar because teams do whatever the **** they want to us in our own building."

The incident in-and-of-itself wasn't "fight worthy" under normal circumstances; however, it was perfect for what was going on. This isn't a micro event: it's macro.

It's all really a moot point with most because they were fortunate enough to pull it out with 10 seconds left on the clock. Last night was awesome and I'm buzzing off it a little bit still, but this is going to irk me regardless.

You say you want him to possibly fight at some point, yet you always argue against him fighting. I don't know what the "right time" is for you with Doughty fighting except for maybe never. That's fine and all, but you shouldn't take those of us that have said at certain points he should drop the gloves and make a statement that we want him to fight every 10 games.

I want to know where our tough guys were, and why they let our star players harassed in the beginning.
 
I have a tough time mustering any emotion for Vegas/Kings games.

I’ve been following the Kings for close to 30 years now, but I’m also a Vegas native. Very conflicting emotions.
 

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