Post-Game Talk: GM 57 | Utah def. Canucks | 2-1 (DeBrusk) | How do you spell offense?

[Reverend Mayhem]

A certain player with better knees would help.
I almost want to call kids help phone for some of us

 

[RebuildinVan]

This season has been frustrating but I for one think this is one the better teams we’ve iced in the last 11.6 years.

Weve endured alot here

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Weve endured alot here

Spitters are quitters.

 

[Vector]

Tonight’s Game

• Had 21 blocked shots, 15 missed shots, 30 something chances to get the puck to the net; have to move your feet and change angles
• Would rather players shoot a little less hard but just get the puck on net
• Are double clutching which signifies a lack of confidence
• Need to take the next two days to figure it out
• When you get shots through, when they don’t get blocked, you earn possession time

Silovs

• Was really good; really proud of him

1st Period Penalties

• Three penalties in the 1st; can’t take a penalty with 6 minutes left & can’t hold a guy like that
• When you don’t score goals, everything is magnified
• Need to pick your spots better; can’t grab anyone
• A lot of penalties from the defence and it needs to be sorted out

 

[rypper]

Are double clutching which signifies a lack of confidence

Off the top of my head (didn't watch the entire game) I can think of two times Pettersson did this.

Tocchet should just go into the locker room and re-recite whatever pump up speech jon cooper gave for team Canada. Just change a couple words etc.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

 

[DimitriL07]

At least the Flames upcoming road trip consists of WSH, TB, FLA, and the Canes. But who knows what happens when we muster up 2 shots a period

 

[VanJack]

With Hughes out and EP40 at basically 'half-speed' this team really has no chance. Nine goals now in five games. Lowest scoring team in hockey since Jan. 1st.

It screams 'mediocrity'. I'm almost of the view that it wouldn't be in the best long-term interests of the franchise to somehow 'sneak' into the playoffs this year. They're closer to lottery land than they are the Stanley Cup.

Better to continue the re-tool and hope for a decent return for the likes of Boeser and Soucy at the TDL. And pray that somehow between April and next September, they can keep Hughes healthy and that somehow then can get Pettersson and Demko back to even a half-shadow of what they've been.

And Tocchet has to be on the clock. One decent season; and one mediocre one. A lackluster start to next season, and he's probably gone. I always wondered if 'Tocchet hockey' had a 'shelf-life'. I think the answer is probably 'yes'.

 

[Bitz and Bites]

where in victoria are you victoria guys at? im in royal oak

I missed the game and just catching up here, sounds like a good one to miss.
I’m in Esquimalt area, grew up in Gordon Head.

 

[David71]

31st in shots per game
25th in goals for
23rd in high danger chances for
32nd in 5v5 xGF
31st in 5v5 xGF/60 tocchet system in a nutshell.

I could easily see this team losing all five games on this trip. Almost a guarantied loss night in L.A. on Wednesday.

I mean, 15 shots on goal against a team like Utah? Sorry, that doesn't cut it. Cue up the TDL. Time to move some bodies out. Hopefully they can find a guy to bite on Forbort as a depth option. Soucy and Boeser should get them something.

I'd like to see them elevate Raty, Lekkerimaki and maybe Sasson or Karlsson. Time to give these guys some NHL games. They might take a step back with them, but long-term the experience will benefit them.

sell them all of by this week. deadlines march 7. soucy 50/50 they mgiht have to retain some of his salary i think. boeser should go. suter as well.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Fortune favors the bold when tis folly to be wise.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I didn't even realize the Canucks were playing tonight and yet I still don't feel like I missed anything.

 

[David71]

kings/ducks b2b automatic loss i think. kraken ducks and wild on tdl day

I didn't even realize the Canucks were playing tonight and yet I still don't feel like I missed anything.

it was boring. fell asleep after the first period.

 

[CanuckPirate]

How do you spell offense? H-U-G-H-E-S

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

it was boring. fell asleep after the first period.

Honestly, it was boring but its because Utah is even crappier than us right now.

We all bitch and moan, yeah, but what amounts to basically a 2-1 game being outshot by double...

Y'all were booking this for guaranteed loss night when you heard Silovs was starting, what's the difference if we lost 6-5 or 2-1? A loss is a loss.

I'm really not seeing the trends y'all are seeing. I see a team at the end of its rope, yes, but only because we had to play containment defense all night. Utah is much faster than us and I thought we played a veteran game on the road. Which is why we lost 3-1 and not 7-1. Hey, how did the Rangers do against the Sabres and alpha male Miller? 8-2?

Yeah they dominated possession, what did y'all think when we had to trade Miller? Blueger is the only C on this team that can dictate possession with any reliability. And he's spitting above 50% by a hair. I'm sure lots wanted Petey gone but that would have been a blunder. Bobby Orr only had to quit hockey because he couldn't play without his speed and his agent was like all agents and only saw a cash cow to hitch his wagon to and could do little else for Bobby.

EP's defining quality is not his speed, it's his smarts. Smarts that were (not ruined but) emaciated by Miller's presence. I won't say toxic, because I think to some extent Miller was right. But I don't give a shit about drama, I watch hockey for the hockey. There's a reason I think Entertainment Tonight is a blight upon society. Stop watching hockey like that. Stop gossiping, stop speculating.

I probably won't because I'm me. But at least have a bit of faith and courage guys. It's life. It's not supposed to be easy.

E: I'm gonna keep having to furthermore this forevermore....Poe't' didn't even know 't.

On good teams, the puck usually finds who wants it the most and since Tocchet came in, it usually has. On great teams, they execute those lightning plays and bottle those suckers. Ironic word choice given the last team I bless with my shit luck in 2015. But they keep doing it. Tampa Bay. That was the most boring exciting hockey I've seen.

 

[me2]

And Tocchet has to be on the clock. One decent season; and one mediocre one. A lackluster start to next season, and he's probably gone. I always wondered if 'Tocchet hockey' had a 'shelf-life'. I think the answer is probably 'yes'.

Long if you are winning, winning compensates for boring. Short if you are not, losing boring hockey games sucks all joy from the game. .

 

[ExarKun80]

Fortune favors the bold when tis folly to be wise.

Audentes Fortuna iuvat!​

 

[VanJack]

Tocchet really unhappy with Forbort in the post-game presser. The late holding call that opened the door for Utah to win it on the PP, was particularly troublesome.

Instead of letting the guy shoot the puck into the corner, and then turn and win a puck battle--he tries to hold him up and gets dinged for holding. I mean this is a veteran d-man we're talking about here--not some rookie like D-Petey or Mancini.

But the lack of mobility on this Canuck blueline has been a big issue all year long. And without Hughes to control the puck with zone exits, they're just getting forechecked into the ice in their own zone.

 

[theguardianII]

Both teams were playing the 2nd game of back to backs and both had to travel so that is a wash.

But the lack of mobility on this Canuck blueline has been a big issue all year long. And without Hughes to control the puck with zone exits, they're just getting forechecked into the ice in their own zone.

But Hughes has been on the team most of the year. And if they can't win without him then are they good enough at all? Remember both him and Hronek evaporated in the playoffs last year.

They are only a .553 pts % team and they had the 2nd easiest schedule in the league until January.
I think they will need a minimum of 92 pts for the 2nd WC spot, that is them playing better than they have all year for the rest of the season.
The saving grace is how bad the conference has been so far and that there are 4 teams still either rebuilding or just coming out of a rebuild, they might get in because other teams are not good.

Tocchet's system is for teams without a high skill level to keep games close but at some point a team needs that extra step from legit skill players, not just one small guy, we saw how that worked out last year in the real season.

The defensive zone issues are as much starting in the offensive zone with over commitment to finishing checks, getting hits and allowing odd man situations starting two zones away and down deep. Most of those rushes were from the OZ blue line.

 

[Grumbler]

Hope they lose more, team needs to tank.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

It's so interesting reading the post game threads when you can't watch the game yourself. I have no idea how Petterson played. Some people are saying he was the best forward and showed signs of life, others think he should be sent to the ahl.

Petey showed serious signs of life, but for those who keep expecting him to look uninjured and go back to being one of the fastest forwards with one of the hardest shots without an off season of rest and training, they are continually disappointed and they are never quiet about it.

He made some really dynamic plays and looked a lot like he did during Miller's absence which is to say had sure hands, made some nice plays, creative, but didn't have the gas to exploit the space he created like he would have last year.

Had a breakaway and had the right idea and lots of space but put it over the net. Overall, quite encouraging.

His body language is also miles better since losing the MAGA moron.

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Boeser created very little, Garland is slumping.

Myers seems to struggle with breaks. He looked really good with MPetey before the break and then has been an appalling liability the last two games.

I'm not making a broad proclamation, because he'll get it back. But man, his worst games aren't close to NHL quality.
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Chytil and O'Connor weren't great but were decent. They play off each other's speed well and look for each other. Boeser has been really hit or miss with them and tonight it was a miss.

Wasn't surprised we gave up the goal with Forbert in the box since he's our secret sauce on the PK.

I went to fairly great pains to watch this game late at night and overall, it could have been an email.

 

[rypper]

Hope they lose more, team needs to tank.

Honestly can't believe there's still people that think this.

 

[Jyrki]

Like it or not, Miller was the one guy upfront who could actually find space and create plays on his own. Now without Hughes on the ice we can't do that against a team that's not being sloppy or trying to force offense. We're full of players that do a bunch of things well but no "glue" to actually drive play.

Our D is better but not outstanding at all so we gotta figure out fast whether there's an add to make to improve the top 6 or if we're gonna throw the towel to give ourselves a better chance next season. Even if Boeser looks kinda useless without Miller and Suter isn't a game breaker, losing both for nothing would be very bad.

 

[kanucks25]

Tocchet really unhappy with Forbort in the post-game presser. The late holding call that opened the door for Utah to win it on the PP, was particularly troublesome.

Instead of letting the guy shoot the puck into the corner, and then turn and win a puck battle--he tries to hold him up and gets dinged for holding. I mean this is a veteran d-man we're talking about here--not some rookie like D-Petey or Mancini.

But the lack of mobility on this Canuck blueline has been a big issue all year long. And without Hughes to control the puck with zone exits, they're just getting forechecked into the ice in their own zone.

It was a horrible penalty, you don't need to hold the guy when he's just going to chase the puck in the corner. Like you said, just turn around and win the puck battle or at least defend the net.

But that's what you're gonna get a with a 6/7 type guy. He's going to make stupid mistakes because if he didn't, he'd be a top-4 D-man that you need to pay 5M+ not 1.5M.

 

[Quinning]

Feels like we are in the dreaded Hockey Purgatory - not good enough for the playoffs, not bad enough for a lottery pick.