Post-Game Talk: GM 09 | Devils def. Canucks | 6-0 | Look at this light.

[Killer Orcas]

Hopefully this game gives this team a wake up call. That was embarrassing to watch tonight.

 

[DFAC]

Whole team is playing scared and over passing. No one is willing to take a shot and instead passing it off

 

[Hoglander]

Deserved that loss. Team played like ass. Hopefully it's the kick in the pants they need, cuz they are playing awful defensively. Their inability to defend the slot and anything around the crease, really stands out. Just sloppy, aimless defending... where the hell are the coaches, and wtf are they doing?

Myers on his 1st shift completely forgot that he's a dman and is supposed to defend. Was clearly not ready for this one. A 1000 game vet shouldn't make these braindead blunders. Come on man.

Soucy... wow. He has gone from being really solid, to being a puck-watching, out-of-position disaster. Tocchet keeps wanting to scratch Desharnais, when this is the guy that shouldn't be on the ice. Please scratch him already.

Would also like DeBrusk to do something at some point. Looking like a bad fit, and a bad signing.

 

[MS]

If you go back to the start of last year's interviews, Tocchet talked a ton about motion, flow, and not having guys in set spots, and how he was trying to break the Canucks out of the whole wait for Miller to go downhill on the left side or Petey one times it on the right half wall.

They executed that perfectly at the start of last season, team's adjusted a bit to it, and the team's been completely out of answers since (trading Kuzmenko, who was particularly good at being a rover, didn't help). The players ended up reverting to old habbits and have gone back to just standing around in their spots (Petey is particularly guilts of being slow to move around and adjust).

Step one to resolving that is getting guys to move their feet, because if guys aren't even going to move, it's hard to start talking to them about movement and flow, which is why Tocchet's narrative likely changed from motion & attacking to being hungry for pucks.

I agree with pretty much all of this although I'd argue that Step 1 might be addressing the abysmal zone entries. If the lose the opening faceoff, the whole PP tends to be a writeoff because they can't f***ing get set up in the zone properly again after that.

We're so predictable and in the Edmonton series in particular their PK guys knew what we were going to do before we did it.

 

[Bgav]

Every coach has a blind spot and Tocchet's most obvious one is that he thinks he's qualified to coach the power play. Even the way he talks about it "you gotta be hungry for pucks" etc is just wrong. It's all about movement and flow and the players clearly are not getting any help from the coaching staff right now. They aren't in sync at all.

Which is weird because the last season the pp started with so much movement and it was scoring at like a top 5 rate

 

[orcatown]

Pretty clear now how Lankanin has been holding them in. Without him team went straight way into the ditch. Supposed major players have been far from their best as illustrated by the inept PP. After this one (and really the last few) it is difficult to imagine the Canucks being any kind of top echelon NHL team.

Good

Sprong - outside of Hughes was again the best offensive player but had so little to work with.

Sherwood - Like Garland effort was there

Hughes - kind of case of one player against the world.

Bad

Miller - sloppy passing doomed the PP and most everything he did was a one off. (make a play and then fade away making a wide circle away from the play) Probably hurt and having nothing like the season expected

Pettersson - another tentative effort. Kind of use to it now. His disintegration as a player is a disaster in so many ways. His salary looks like thousand pound cap albatross. Also the Canuck decision, a couple of years ago, to go for it now rather than rebuild (see the Horvat trade and subsequent moves) was largely build on the premise that Pettersson was a sure super star and not the plug he appears to be.

Ugly

Heinen - another soft and useless game. Looks like he is at a public skate. Kudos to Boston for somehow getting goals out of this player.

Myers - terrible. Him and Soucy scrambling all game. NJD were skating rings around them.

Silovs - plays like this and he will soon be known as Sieve -loss. Leaving oceans of net open. New Jersey players were almost laughing at how easy it was to beat him. Does not look close to being ready. I guess the good point is that he now easily makes it through waivers. Or maybe that isn't so good?

Juulsen - those claiming that he is good example of the team developing players are being silly. He is absolutely a bona vide mid minor League caliber. Devils speed made him look like the flat footed defender he is. Trouble here is that Desharanis might be equally as bad

Hoglander - looked like he was skating trough loose gravel. Any hope that this was going to be a break out season now seems hopelessly optmistic. Had big problems staying up with the play in every zone.

Over the last few days the team has played two teams with speed and they got exposed both times.

We got to give the team a little more time, but right they are trending in dreadful direction

 

[MS]

Which is weird because the last season the pp started with so much movement and it was scoring at like a top 5 rate

The PP dying last season corresponded almost exactly to Pettersson turning into a pumpkin.

When he moves around and is engaged, the PP goes well. When he's standing in one place, it sucks. And he's also a zone entry superstar when he's right and can execute difficult entries with precision with his ability to stickhandle in a phone booth ... where he's just utterly listless and confused in those situations right now.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Guys who get a pass on this one for me - Sherwood, Garland, Blueger, Suter, Sprong, Hughes.

Everyone else…ugly.

 

[thecupismine]

I agree with pretty much all of this although I'd argue that Step 1 might be addressing the abysmal zone entries. If the lose the opening faceoff, the whole PP tends to be a writeoff because they can't f***ing get set up in the zone properly again after that.

We're so predictable and in the Edmonton series in particular their PK guys knew what we were going to do before we did it.

Yeah don't get me wrong, zone entries are still a big problem (I've brought them up in multiple PGTs at this point), they just weren't as big a problem today as they were the last few games where they were predictable & awful.

It's just tough to talk about because a lot of the answers to these problems historically has been Petterson, as he's usually our best zone entry guy and the player with the most dynamic skillset next to Hughes on the PP (Miller & Boeser are more one dimensional), but

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

I remember when hoglander used to win puck battles once upon a time. What happened?

Something was just off with a number of players

I've noticed that as well. I love Tochett but I think his biggest weakness is how he forms lines and how quickly he gives up on them.

Debrusk needs to be back with EP or when Dak is back try him there.

Until we trade for a top four dman I'd like these as the lines and not just for a game.

Boeser- JT- Garland
Sprong- EP- Debrusk
Dak- Bleuger -Kiefer
Heinen - Suter-Hogz.

Quinn - Vinny/Juulsen
Branstrom- Hronek
Soucy - Myers
Or basically anything that keeps Soucy and Myers minutes limited until they find their games because they are the worst pairing in hockey the last 4 games.

 

[valkynax]

The PP dying last season corresponded almost exactly to Pettersson turning into a pumpkin.

When he moves around and is engaged, the PP goes well. When he's standing in one place, it sucks. And he's also a zone entry superstar when he's right and can execute difficult entries with precision with his ability to stickhandle in a phone booth ... where he's just utterly listless and confused in those situations right now.

Right now he's not playing like 11.6 mil, he's not playing to half of that.

Hell, I don't think he's playing even to a QUARTER of that...

He needs to figure this shit out. If it's not gonna be this season, it has to be the next. The fans will not tolerate incompetence forever, whatever the cause may be, at some point it will become irrelevant, all people will be asking will be: what the f*** are we paying you for?

 

[MS]

Guys who get a pass on this one for me - Sherwood, Garland, Blueger, Suter, Sprong, Hughes.

Everyone else…ugly.

Hronek was one of only 2 guys who were even tonight and other than that one PP1 shift (when Hughes was bleeding) where he refused the shoot the puck I thought he barely put a foot wrong.

Other than that, my list is the same is yours.

I've noticed that as well. I love Tochett but I think his biggest weakness is how he forms lines and how quickly he gives up on them.

Debrusk needs to be back with EP or when Dak is back try him there.

Yeah, Tocchet has to be careful to not get himself into a Bruce cycle where he's just swapping the lines around every night and leaves himself looking like a guy with no confidence or answers.

You've gotta put some lines together and trust that they're going to play out of it. Debrusk was signed for Pettersson, invest some time in trying to make it work.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Okay. Jesus. Hang on, this is really messed up.

I was at that Anaheim game.

And I was at a 6-0 Halloween loss to Colorado.

And at another point in the late 90s, I think, I was at an 8-0 loss to Colorado.

So I’ve been at 3 of the 7 worst home ice defeats in team history.

Jesus.

 

[biturbo19]

If you go back to the start of last year's interviews, Tocchet talked a ton about motion, flow, and not having guys in set spots, and how he was trying to break the Canucks out of the whole wait for Miller to go downhill on the left side or Petey one times it on the right half wall.

They executed that perfectly at the start of last season, team's adjusted a bit to it, and the team's been completely out of answers since (trading Kuzmenko, who was particularly good at being a rover, didn't help). The players ended up reverting to old habbits and have gone back to just standing around in their spots (Petey is particularly guilts of being slow to move around and adjust).

Step one to resolving that is getting guys to move their feet, because if guys aren't even going to move, it's hard to start talking to them about movement and flow, which is why Tocchet's narrative likely changed from motion & attacking to being hungry for pucks.

It's just so infuriating to watch, because in theory, they have all the requisite talent in place to ice a very good, if not great powerplay. But they simply don't seem to have guys who are interested in doing it.

And for me, a huge amount of it just ultimately falls on the fact that Pettersson seems to want to stand around like an opposite circle version of Stamkos.

That's a huge issue because as many things as JT Bozo does well, he is definitively not a Kucherov/Point level puck distributor. He just simply does not have that kind of creativity and ability to move himself around to create seams and thread the puck through.



The guy who does have every bit of that ability to be the Kucherov of this powerplay, is Pettersson. He's got every tool to be the key pivot point that works in conjunction with one of the Top-5 Offensively creative, line walking, superstar powerplay quarterback defencemen in the league, to make things happen. He just...mostly doesn't seem to care.


I don't know how you get through to him. Hank ran the Canucks PP off that same half wall at an absolutely absurdly prolific rate for years. And he did that without one tenth of Pettersson's shooting ability to create that true "dual threat". Heck, he only really unlocked his full capability when they found Ehrhoff who was a magician at playing off him off that point and getting the puck through to the net. Pettersson shouldn't even need that. He's a lethal shooter from range...on top of his elite puck distributing ability. But half the time the puck comes to him, he looks like he's either trying to be a Stamkos/OV shooting machine (and not as good at it), or just doesn't give a hoot. It just doesn't ever look like he's got any genuine intentions with the puck, which is so dumb...because he's clearly the most naturally creative and talented offensive forward on this entire team.

 

[EpochLink]

This game reminded me of that ass kicking Chicago gave them in the 2010/2011 season, that team proceeded to lose to Arizona the next day.

Then the team got its shit together and went on a streak.

Here's to their ass kicking, go on a run.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

On that note...whatever these little dudes are...why Blue and Red, not Blue and Green? Or Black and Spaghetti colour? Are you a Messier stan?

Thiel ran theoretical simulations on how to fight Astartes, for which he was to be punished, as that was seen as treasonous. At Calth, when the Word Bearers attacked, he was awaiting censure by Guilliman aboard Mac Crack's Honour, heaving a red painted helmet as mark of censure. During the attack he gathered survivors onboard, raided Guilliman's own weapons museum and organized the defense against the Word Bearer's boarders and the daemon incursion onboard.

When the survivors onboard found Guilliman and organized a counter push Guilliman ordered the red paint as in promptu rank symbol, as the survivors where pretty patchwork at that point. He also recognized that Thiel had the right idea on thinking about how to fight the Legions and as such wanted the red helmet not to be a mark of shame anymore.

These are painted in the colors of Ultramarines and their Primarch Guilliman liked the initiative Thiel showed so much the red helm, formerly a sign of censure, became the official Ultramarines Seargent's rank marking and was established in the codex later.

 

[WTG]

I didn't realize the game was on tonight I was out playing trivia. We didn't win either but I'm glad I missed this one.

 

[thecupismine]

Okay. Jesus. Hang on, this is really messed up.

I was at that Anaheim game.

And I was at a 6-0 Halloween loss to Colorado.

And at another point in the late 90s, I think, I was at an 8-0 loss to Colorado.

So I’ve been at 3 of the 7 worst home ice defeats in team history.

Jesus.

As bad as today was, I still don't know if it was as bad as the 8-2 drubbing I went to in 2007 at the hands of the Flyers.

The Canucks had a 5 on 3 that game (and like 9 powerplays overall)...and got scored on shorthanded by Mike Richards Probably the most embarassing goal against I ever saw live.

 

[biturbo19]

Thiel ran theoretical simulations on how to fight Astartes, for which he was to be punished, as that was seen as treasonous. At Calth, when the Word Bearers attacked, he was awaiting censure by Guilliman aboard Mac Crack's Honour, heaving a red painted helmet as mark of censure. During the attack he gathered survivors onboard, raided Guilliman's own weapons museum and organized the defense against the Word Bearer's boarders and the daemon incursion onboard.

When the survivors onboard found Guilliman and organized a counter push Guilliman ordered the red paint as in promptu rank symbol, as the survivors where pretty patchwork at that point. He also recognized that Thiel had the right idea on thinking about how to fight the Legions and as such wanted the red helmet not to be a mark of shame anymore.

These are painted in the colors of Ultramarines and their Primarch Guilliman liked the initiative Thiel showed so much the red helm, formerly a sign of censure, became the official Ultramarines Seargent's rank marking and was established in the codex later.

Is that Primarch dude related to Gilliam Breezeboys?

 

[im gangster]

As bad as today was, I still don't know if it was as bad as the 8-2 drubbing I went to in 2007 at the hands of the Flyers.

The Canucks had a 5 on 3 that game (and like 9 powerplays overall)...and got scored on shorthanded by Mike Richards Probably the most embarassing goal against I ever saw live.

I was at this gem:

 

[biturbo19]

I didn't realize the game was on tonight I was out playing trivia. We didn't win either but I'm glad I missed this one.

I think you probably made an accidentally wise decision. Did you get any questions right? That's more than the Canucks did.

 

[Kryten]

The PP dying last season corresponded almost exactly to Pettersson turning into a pumpkin.

When he moves around and is engaged, the PP goes well. When he's standing in one place, it sucks. And he's also a zone entry superstar when he's right and can execute difficult entries with precision with his ability to stickhandle in a phone booth ... where he's just utterly listless and confused in those situations right now.

Id argue a few things. The PP last year went stale when teams figured out pressure at the point to disrupt the Hughes quarterback led pp. the pp only got passable when Miller started being the qb. I dont even mind our guys being static on the pp, but the puck has to be moving to open up lanes. Having Miller, Hughes, Petey capable of snipes and bombs shouldnt have this much problems scoring with a man advantage. Double clutching and slow to pass allowing pressure are and have been hurting us. Now yes Petey whiffing or taking a fortnight to shoot isnt helping but he isnt the fundamental problem withthe pp

 

[MS]

I was at this gem:



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That's the game that caused Jim Benning to happen so in my mind it's the worst game in franchise history.

 

[Vector]

-everything went wrong went from the beginning
-going to have games like this in an 82 game schedule
-just flush this one down the toilet
-gotta credit the Devils for shooting the puck very well
-Canucks started to unravel and then players began to go rogue
-doesn't think anyone on the team thought they were playing well prior to this game
-have not played a 60 minute game
-need leadership and coaches make sure they are ready to play
-on the powerplay, not shooting when they are supposed to shoot
-powerplay is frustrating and it's mental
-have a day-off tomorrow
-need to worry about your own game
-don't think about hockey for a day and have a really good practice afterwards
-some players are trying to jump from A to Z
-odd-man rush coverage was the worst he has ever seen since he has been here; reminds him of when he took over the team
-out of sorts tonight
-don't want to watch any video tonight; just get some sleep
-lots of good guys in the room and need to make sure the accountability is there

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

This game reminded me of that ass kicking Chicago gave them in the 2010/2011 season, that team proceeded to lose to Arizona the next day.

Then the team got its shit together and went on a streak.

Here's to their ass kicking, go on a run.

Just wish our blueline had that depth. Hamhuis, Salo, Bieksa, Edler, Ehrhoff, Rome.

Right now it's Hughes, Hronek and a bunch of crap.