Glove Pass Rule

[Mess]

We don't know for sure whether puck hit Keller's stick or Rielly's glove or both .. we know it hit something as it changed directions .. then we know it hit Keller's skate as it changed directions again towards Mitch .. we know all officials on ice did not rule a hand pass or a high stick .. maybe control room has another camera which shows something different .. but to ASSUME it was a pass is ridiculous .. all anyone can ASSUME is Rielly was trying to stop puck from leaving Coyotes end .. this entire issue is people making ASSUMPTIONS and over ruling call on da ice .. completely ridiculous .. if someone saw a definitely high stick and then touch by Keller I may not like call but I could understand it

They wouldn't have ruled high stick anyways even if Keller touched it above the shoulder, because then Mitch got possession first so change of possession negates any illegal high stick and the play would have continued.

The difference with the illegal glove pass in the Ozone is that the rules are clear :

Even if a player were to unintentionally hand pass to a teammate it would be called so long as it gave the hand passing team possession or an advantage. Additionally, hand passes are going to be called if a player passes to a teammate indirectly or directly. This means if a player hits the puck with his hand his teammate cannot gain possession even if the puck is deflected off an opposing teams player.

It wouldn't matter if after Reilly gloved it down Keller would have touched it or it glanced off him because puck possession is the key here. Marner was the 1st player with possession in both glove hand pass or high stick situations.

 

[Tairy Greene]

If a play like this isn't allowed to happen then the rule needs to be changed imo.

 

[Eddo22]

Here's my take on it. If this happened to another team most likely it would have been ignored. The refs cheated the Leafs out of at least a point. But what else is new?

 

[therealkoho]

incidental contact with the glove is no different than a puck bouncing off of your elbow pad, shin pad or cup, it was a bullsnot call, the Buds had a point stolen from them, no if's, ands or buts

the bookies must've made out like bandits

 

[notDatsyuk]

incidental contact with the glove is no different than a puck bouncing off of your elbow pad, shin pad or cup, it was a bullsnot call, the Buds had a point stolen from them, no if's, ands or buts

the bookies must've made out like bandits

True, and if it had just hit his hand incidentally (for example the back of his hand while holding his stick) it would not have been called. He put his open hand up and deliberately made contact with the puck.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

They wouldn't have ruled high stick anyways even if Keller touched it above the shoulder, because then Mitch got possession first so change of possession negates any illegal high stick and the play would have continued.

The difference with the illegal glove pass in the Ozone is that the rules are clear :

Even if a player were to unintentionally hand pass to a teammate it would be called so long as it gave the hand passing team possession or an advantage. Additionally, hand passes are going to be called if a player passes to a teammate indirectly or directly. This means if a player hits the puck with his hand his teammate cannot gain possession even if the puck is deflected off an opposing teams player.

It wouldn't matter if after Reilly gloved it down Keller would have touched it or it glanced off him because puck possession is the key here. Marner was the 1st player with possession in both glove hand pass or high stick situations.

That is not my understanding as a player .. we were always told if there was a high stick and you or your teammate touched puck 1st after high stick then it was an automatic stoppage of play .. if ruling was Keller did touch puck with his high stick and then puck touched his skate then play would be blown dead .. unless they have changed da rules from 30+years ago

 

[notDatsyuk]

That is not my understanding as a player .. we were always told if there was a high stick and you or your teammate touched puck 1st after high stick then it was an automatic stoppage of play .. if ruling was Keller did touch puck with his high stick and then puck touched his skate then play would be blown dead .. unless they have changed da rules from 30+years ago

The same as for a delayed penalty or hand pass, 'possession' is required, which is more than just the puck happening to hit your skate.

Same for Rielly hitting it with his glove - it happening to touch the skate doesn't constitute possession, so Mitch was the first person to play it.

 

[therealkoho]

True, and if it had just hit his hand incidentally (for example the back of his hand while holding his stick) it would not have been called. He put his open hand up and deliberately made contact with the puck.

Sure but he did not nor make any effort to direct the puck towards a teammate in order to keep the play going. His reaction to the puck has merely to knock it down, which broadly interpreted could be construed as incidental seeing as it came down between he and the checker, either way the call had all kinds of stink over it. With the win hopefully the Coyotes can sell out all 5500 seats or how many it is at least once.

Speaking of sell outs @19000 in Ottawa last night, it was quite the wild affair. The crowd arrived early and stayed late, was loud and rowdy. It was like a playoff game and a lot of fun, and more fun because they hung a loss on the B's.

 

[GlassesManbad]

I'm pretty shocked NHL would take a goal away for this. That rule is written so poorly and convoluted I can see how they reversed it though. NHL has tried for years so hard to put scoring down. They started that toenail in the crease rule during the dead puck era LOL.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Sure but he did not nor make any effort to direct the puck towards a teammate in order to keep the play going. His reaction to the puck has merely to knock it down, which broadly interpreted could be construed as incidental seeing as it came down between he and the checker, either way the call had all kinds of stink over it. With the win hopefully the Coyotes can sell out all 5500 seats or how many it is at least once.

Speaking of sell outs @19000 in Ottawa last night, it was quite the wild affair. The crowd arrived early and stayed late, was loud and rowdy. It was like a playoff game and a lot of fun, and more fun because they hung a loss on the B's.

He intentionally played the puck with his hand, and the next person to play the puck was a teammate.

Exactly as per the rule book. No miscall, no stink, no goal.

 

[blue stick]

That is not my understanding as a player .. we were always told if there was a high stick and you or your teammate touched puck 1st after high stick then it was an automatic stoppage of play .. if ruling was Keller did touch puck with his high stick and then puck touched his skate then play would be blown dead .. unless they have changed da rules from 30+years ago

My viewing in super slo-mo was that the stick touched the glove just a fraction before the puck arrived. I know that's splitting hairs but it appears the situation room didn't see it that way. Anyways, it's done now.

 

[Mess]

That is not my understanding as a player .. we were always told if there was a high stick and you or your teammate touched puck 1st after high stick then it was an automatic stoppage of play .. if ruling was Keller did touch puck with his high stick and then puck touched his skate then play would be blown dead .. unless they have changed da rules from 30+years ago

You can legally glove hand pass to oneself in any zone, but you can't glove hand pass intentionally or unintentionally to your own teammate in the Ozone, and it doesn't matter if it glances off another player or the Ref etc because it all comes down to possession not incidental contact, similarly how a delayed penalty works.

The situation room ruled illegal hand pass from Rielly to Marner in the Ozone, and the reason the On-ice official announced No goal on the play thereafter.

PS.. If NHL had ruled high stick on Keller and the play blown dead immediately, then Leafs goal wouldn't have counted anyways for a different reason. Not sure how that would have helped the Leafs.