Give our PK a letter grade

[ottomaddox]

Now that Vesey is gone it reminded how mediocre our penalty kill is. In no way am I saying that Vesey made our PK stronger. I do think it needs to be revisited or revamped by Dubas.

What would you do?

How do you rate our PK now?

Do we have anyone on the Marlies that can improve the PK?

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[X66]

If Andersen is the goalie, it's not good.

Any other goalie, and it's not bad!

 

[Stonehands 1]

starting b, now d

 

[Carltons Cup]

H

As in Horrible

 

[Twine Tickler]

they have the weirdest f***ing PK I have seen in a while. They can go 1:45 without the other team gaining the zone and have 3 S/H chances for. Then let in a goal in the final 0:15 of the PK on the worst breakdown in their own end, on what should have been a routine out.

All n' all. They get a C+ from me. The first defensive zone draw was so good early on, and it really brought that PK% up as a result. Seems to have regressed to the mean a bit in games 10-30. They actually are pretty good at clogging the neutral zone and holding the blue so if they get that 1st win on the draw they have a really good chance at killing the penalty. Just recently it has been simple clearing attempts that don't make it out, that eventually end up in the back of the cage. Doesn't help when the goalies aren't bailing you out either

 

[Twine Tickler]

Honestly Marner and Micheyev are really effective PK'ers. They both have excellent sticks, and read the play well. I have been more disappointed in the defense for the most part. The defense tend to lose position in front of the net, and it is either causing easy redirections or screened looks going right in. Clear the house, let the goalie's see it, and hopefully they can swallow it. The more draws we can generate, the higher likelihood of a kill.

 

[zeke]

This year per 60min:

#3 79.14 shot attempts against
#5 61.14 unblocked shot attempts against
#7 46.06 shots against
#4 5.42 expected goals against

#29 .809 save percentage
#21 8.79 goals against

Campbell: .889sv%, 4.38gaa
Hutchinson: .850sv%, 7.89gaa
Andersen: .790sv%, 9.61gaa


Since Keefe took over:

#6 85.03 shot attempts against
#5 64.73 unblocked shot attempts against
#5 46.36 shots against
#1 5.46 expected goals against

#25 .838 save percentage
#19 7.52 goals against

Campbell: .893sv%, 4.34gaa
Andersen: .834sv%, 7.82gaa
Hutchinson: .818sv%, 9.22gaa

Seems pretty cut and dried to me - the PK is excellent, but the goaltending sucks - except for Campbell.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Andersen - F.

The rest, let's say A-.

 

[Tak7]

Are the people saying Freddie is the problem with the PK, actually watching the games?

Is it Freddie's fault that sticks aren't in lanes?

Is it Freddie's fault that zone entries look so easy for the other team right now?

Is it Freddie's fault that we give up so many open looks, and even two or three quick passes seem to turn us into circles?

Freddie could do better, but he's not the sole reason the PK stinks.

The goalie, with the rest of the PK, get an F - they've been abysmal. It's wild that it hasn't been discussed more often in MSM.

 

[Steve776]

BM

 

[zeke]

Are the people saying Freddie is the problem with the PK, actually watching the games?

Is it Freddie's fault that sticks aren't in lanes?

Is it Freddie's fault that zone entries look so easy for the other team right now?

Is it Freddie's fault that we give up so many open looks, and even two or three quick passes seem to turn us into circles?

Freddie could do better, but he's not the sole reason the PK stinks.

The goalie, with the rest of the PK, get an F - they've been abysmal. It's wild that it hasn't been discussed more often in MSM.

Somehow that awful PK is top 5 in all of shots, shot attempts, unblocked shot attempts, and expected goals against.

And somehow they're also elite in goals against.....when Campbell plays.

 

[Morbo]

Are the people saying Freddie is the problem with the PK, actually watching the games?

Every single one.

 

[Twine Tickler]

This year per 60min:

#3 79.14 shot attempts against
#5 61.14 unblocked shot attempts against
#7 46.06 shots against
#4 5.42 expected goals against

#29 .809 save percentage
#21 8.79 goals against

Campbell: .889sv%, 4.38gaa
Hutchinson: .850sv%, 7.89gaa
Andersen: .790sv%, 9.61gaa


Since Keefe took over:

#6 85.03 shot attempts against
#5 64.73 unblocked shot attempts against
#5 46.36 shots against
#1 5.46 expected goals against

#25 .838 save percentage
#19 7.52 goals against

Campbell: .893sv%, 4.34gaa
Andersen: .834sv%, 7.82gaa
Hutchinson: .818sv%, 9.22gaa

Seems pretty cut and dried to me - the PK is excellent, but the goaltending sucks - except for Campbell.

These numbers should not shock anyone. Campbell is by far the best goalie on this team at playing shots through traffic. Freddy relies far too much on his extremities to make plays, often times reaching for pucks with his blocker/trapper rather then moving positionally with the shot. It leaves him extremely vulnerable to redirections. Teams aren't even trying to put heavy shots on the net, or trying to get him side to side as much on the PP. Lots of seeing eye shots from up top that either lead to a goal mouth scramble, rebound, or in the back of the net. And on the times they do get him side to side, he is not locating the puck well enough off of the passers blade to make a good enough play on the puck. His still is very much like Pekke Rinne back in the day. Looks good when it works, lots of good kick saves and active gloves. But looks like shit when the puck is the size of gobstopper. If you look at a guy like James Reimer, He has survived in the NHL purely on his positional style. He has some of the worst reflexes out of anyone in the NHL in the last 20 years, but pucks hit him....still. Jack has the positional awareness but 10x more skill than Reims ever had IMO

 

[Tak7]

Somehow that awful PK is top 5 in all of shots, shot attempts, unblocked shot attempts, and expected goals against.

And somehow they're also elite in goals against.....when Campbell plays.

Would you mind if I asked you for some links / stats to back that up?

It's not that I don't believe you - I was surprised to hear that response, though. To me they look so lost at times when a man-down, that the issues don't seem as simple as GOALIE.

EDIT - Saw your post above. Where are you pulling those numbers from?

 

[Leaf4Life]

These numbers should not shock anyone. Campbell is by far the best goalie on this team at playing shots through traffic. Freddy relies far too much on his extremities to make plays, often times reaching for pucks with his blocker/trapper rather then moving positionally with the shot. It leaves him extremely vulnerable to redirections. Teams aren't even trying to put heavy shots on the net, or trying to get him side to side as much on the PP. Lots of seeing eye shots from up top that either lead to a goal mouth scramble, rebound, or in the back of the net. And on the times they do get him side to side, he is not locating the puck well enough off of the passers blade to make a good enough play on the puck. His still is very much like Pekke Rinne back in the day. Looks good when it works, lots of good kick saves and active gloves. But looks like shit when the puck is the size of gobstopper. If you look at a guy like James Reimer, He has survived in the NHL purely on his positional style. He has some of the worst reflexes out of anyone in the NHL in the last 20 years, but pucks hit him....still. Jack has the positional awareness but 10x more skill than Reims ever had IMO

Well said. Anderson defenders keep saying he has no chance "because it was deflected". Yet watch other goalies and they make saves on deflections all the time because of their positioning.

 

[zeke]

Would you mind if I asked you for some links / stats to back that up?

It's not that I don't believe you - I was surprised to hear that response, though. To me they look so lost at times when a man-down, that the issues don't seem as simple as GOALIE.

EDIT - Saw your post above. Where are you pulling those numbers from?

Those were all from naturalstattrick.com.

 

[Teeder Keon]

Sorry Gang !!
We are going old school again !

we need a true , real , warrior who blocks shots with no regard for safety ( old school player ) on every PK line up front with a skater and one D Man that is as tough as nails ( olds school d-man )
On every line ..
We have no one other than Hyman that is like that ( a throwback PKer )
Other than a couple of our players and not always
We have no shot blockers .

 

[Twine Tickler]

Well said. Anderson defenders keep saying he has no chance "because it was deflected". Yet watch other goalies and they make saves on deflections all the time because of their positioning.

it is one of my biggest pet peeves. Yes, deflected shots are obviously a lot harder to save, and a decent amount will get past you. You are far more likely to be able to make that reaction save, when you were square to the original shot. Freddy doesn't do that well enough IMO. And when you consider the fact that on a PP, we can expect to see far more shots through traffic getting through vs 5v5, it really is not a shock that Freddy struggles on special teams. His reflexes have always been his biggest strength. But if he is nursing a groin injury as speculated, that is the biggest thing that would be impacted by a groin injury. Which makes complete sense why he looks the way he does

 

[Community]

Somehow that awful PK is top 5 in all of shots, shot attempts, unblocked shot attempts, and expected goals against.

And somehow they're also elite in goals against.....when Campbell plays.

I'm ready to give Campbell the reigns to see what he can do and Freddie needs to be better, but come on. You should know better than to say its "cut and dried" when you're basing it off of Campbell's 9 games as a Leaf.

9 games is way too small of a sample size to say it is obviously all Freddie's fault.


Freddie appears to likely be a large part of the problem, but there have been many times that our PKers have been at fault too.

 

[The Iceman]

B for me

Bad

 

[PromisedLand]

F

PK lets the cross crease pass go quite often and do not control the middle of the ice well

Also, PK is way to lethargic they dont attack and allow easy entries

 

[Mickey Marner]

C-

Our PK is 75.6% against an average 21.6% conversion rate, 21.1% if you remove us.

 

[ottomaddox]

Dubas needs to address the PK at the trade deadline. If he doesn't it will be a setback.

Letter grade C-

 

[123offtheglass]

B.

Been decent but could be better. Don't think our 2 SHG is an accurate representation of just how dangerous we've been on the penalty kill, but the pucks gotta go in. Also need better goaltending but is that really considered apart of our penalty kill or just strictly goaltending; I'd keep them separate. Once we get some better goaltending & execute more on our short handed chances I could see ours being considered a top 10 pk in the league, but we just don't have the personnel that teams like the Bruins, Lightning, Wild, Coyotes, Golden Knights, Hurricanes, Islanders & Blue Jackets (haven't been great this season though) have.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Freddy relies far too much on his extremities to make plays, often times reaching for pucks with his blocker/trapper rather then moving positionally with the shot. It leaves him extremely vulnerable to redirections.

if anyone needs examples of this, see tonight’s game

and yes I just quoted myself.