Friedman: Gibson is interested in Carolina, or Edmonton

[Burnt Biscuits]

History for goalies shows a 1st + additional pick or prospect


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What an expansive and not at all selective history of goalie trades

 

[FerrisRox]

I wouldn't say I was "crapping" on it...I was simply pointing out that it was from November before Gibson had even played a handful of games. I also pointed out that there was no solid reporting...just LeBrun speculating. The same seems true of Friedman. No source...no credibility.

You don't seem to understand how rumour reporting works in professional sports. Almost exclusively, these sorts of reports come without a "source" because the source cannot be identified.

"Sources" in these cases are almost always the players agent, or somebody from within an NHL front office, and they are never going to be named, that's why they are offered up as "Rumors" rather than "Facts."

This is really basic stuff and the idea that a "rumour" has no credibility because it isn't public sourced absurd.

 

[TFHockey]

Edmonton has nothing that they would be willing to trade that Anaheim would want, for Gibson.
Getting Gibson is a pipe dream created to tease desperate Oilers fans.

You're talking like Gibson is this massively sought after commodity in the league. He isn't.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

The Ducks had 59 points last year. They currently are at 55 with 28 games left. Downgrading the goaltending for no reason other than to make Gibson and another team happy is absolutely a step back.

I don’t think that matters.

If gibson wants to be traded, it’s prob something we need to look at. You grab a diff goalie via the trade and continue doing what you’re doing. Some of you worry about our ability to sign free agents get players to play here, I don’t think holding gibson hostage is a good move, and he knows dostal is right there ready to take over.

I’m not convinced trading gibson is the step back some of you act like(see fowler trade and the “step back” that was promised).

 

[BiolaRunner]

Gibson's got really nice numbers this year, both raw and underlying, but he's been hot garbage for five years prior, he'd have to okay the move, and he's got a relatively pricey cap hit. I really think the trade return won't be as high as Ducks fans are hoping for.

Luckily they've already got their goalie of the future in Dostal.

That is why most Ducks fans have been against trading him. We know he can still play, know he kinda throws in the towel when playing behind hot garbage of a defense, are fairly certain a change in scenery would bring back a Gibson that looks similar to 2017 version of him, but also know his contract is high and trading for him is a risk. We know there isn't a likely trade scenario where we win the trade. The cap hit doesn't hurt us, we aren't going to be contenders until the contract is over anyways.

 

[kerrabria]

1) Poor Gibson, been trying to get out of there for years now.

2) Poor Anaheim, they need to figure out how to reallocate some of their goalie/dman magic into forwards. They’ve given away like a dozen Top 4 dmen and starting goalies since they last had a legit 1C or elite winger.

3) lol I don’t think I’ve ever seen a report abt players interested in particular trade destinations—esp non-stars

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

1) Poor Gibson, been trying to get out of there for years now.

2) Poor Anaheim, they need to figure out how to reallocate some of their goalie/dman magic into forwards. They’ve given away like a dozen Top 4 dmen and starting goalies since they last had a legit 1C or elite winger.

3) lol I don’t think I’ve ever seen a report abt players interested in particular trade destinations—esp non-stars

We have forward talent… I think part of the issue up front is the system and the shit powerplay.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I'm honestly not sure Edmonton has much that Anaheim really wants. There's not much incentive for them to take Stuart Skinner, and we're not drowning in picks and prospects.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I don’t think that matters.

If gibson wants to be traded, it’s prob something we need to look at. You grab a diff goalie via the trade and continue doing what you’re doing. Some of you worry about our ability to sign free agents get players to play here, I don’t think holding gibson hostage is a good move, and he knows dostal is right there ready to take over.

I’m not convinced trading gibson is the step back some of you act like(see fowler trade and the “step back” that was promised).

Gibson has wanted out for 3 years. That ship has sailed.

Also, you are grossly misstating the Fowler situation. The falloff was predicted if the team went with all 2nd year players, because the term “sophomore slump” exists for a reason, and has proven to be real for 2/3 of them. However, the team replaced veteran Fowler with veteran Trouba, which prevented the team from relying on said young players, while providing a better stylistic player for the roster, which…still plays pretty shot defense.

 

[quackquackquack]

We have forward talent… I think part of the issue up front is the system and the shit powerplay.

We need 1 more impact top 6 forward whether it be via a trade where Gibson is involved OR clearing Gibson's money to go spend in the offseason. Getting that F will help guys like Killorn and Leason (to a lesser degree) slot more appropriately in the lineup.

 

[TFHockey]

I don't think Gibson has the trade value Ducks fans seem to think (or hope) he has.

If Anaheim demands a 1st for a $6.4 Million AAV X3 years goaltender who has had spotty numbers over the past few seasons - for whatever reason - I don't think they'll have a lot of takers.

Dostal seems poised to take over as starter in net. Is Gibson fine with that? It doesn't sound like it to me. But the Ducks don't *have* to move Gibson. It is just likely to happen IMHO.

In that scenario the Oilers are better off trying to get Vejmelka as a pending UFA rental.

Just my two cents.

 

[antiqueslivers]

You are now muted. Faced with proof, using your own words as indication, none of it is valid. You’ll battle to the death no matter what type of evidence is provided. And then you resort to condescending remarks to try and further your agenda.

Is there a reason you have this need to convince everyone you’re right? Even when proven otherwise?


Consistently bottom third of the league for 4 years running now.

true but to be fair on a bottom team the last 4 years. Give him a decent team in front of him and he will perform better.

 

[kerrabria]

We have forward talent… I think part of the issue up front is the system and the shit powerplay.

We need 1 more impact top 6 forward whether it be via a trade where Gibson is involved OR clearing Gibson's money to go spend in the offseason. Getting that F will help guys like Killorn and Leason (to a lesser degree) slot more appropriately in the lineup.

I don't watch Anaheim, so pardon my ignorance.

I assume you're talking about Terry, Zegras, McTavish, Carlsson, Sennecke, and Gauthier.
Is Terry better than his statline suggests? Do either of McTavish or Carlsson look like future 1Cs? Winning teams need at least one 1C and another forward who can drive his own line. Doesn't seem like Anaheim has either right now.

 

[Ducks DVM]

What do you think would be a fair ask from Edmonton with and without retention?

I honestly don’t know your players and especially prospects enough to answer this question. Skinner to me isn’t an asset though, he’s a dump. Balance that against the traditionally weak returns for goalies, and I’m not really too jazzed about trading Gibson.

I think the approach in every trade needs to be to put myself in the shoes of if I would be happy trading the other team’s player for what I’m offering, to the point where the other team felt they were actually making their team better. A bad goalie, a not 1st, and some dead weight off the roster doesn’t move the needle for me, if that makes sense.

 

[duckpuck]

As much as I kind of agree, this is overlooking the Ekholm trade.

That said, Gibson's insistence on being the starter above all else rubs me the wrong way.

Also any interest from the Oilers likely means that Dustin Schwartz says yes. In which case the Oilers should say no.

Several comments likes this in the thread and I find it odd. Who would want to trade for a goalie who aspires to be the backup? It is a good thing Gibson wants to be the starter.

Gibson - like every other NHL player - knows he needs to earn his position. What he's saying is that he doesn't want to be traded to a place where there's already an entrenched starter and he's slated to be the back up. Given his career and in particular, his play this year, seems reasonable.

I don't think Verbeek is in any hurry to trade Gibson at this point, but Gibson to Carolina makes the most sense if it does happen because they have players and contracts that would allow the Ducks to continue to compete and not just go into tank mode.

If Verbeek wants zero net retention, how about something like this?

Gibson at max retention (at 3.2 M, 6.4 million retained over 2 years) for Kotkaniemi (at 3.22 M, 6.4 million retained over 4 years). This would help Carolina with cap space in their window in the next 2 years and give them goalie insurance and Gibby gets to play for a contender and pay less taxes. Ducks would get a big center who can win faceoffs and has some untapped potential.

Maybe also include a swap of Fabbri at max retention, so 2 M for Kotchekov who's contract matches exactly at 2 million. Hurricanes get a forechecking depth scorer and Ducks get a decent backup goalie with some upside for the next 2 years.

I do think the Ducks would want some form of sweetener. Maybe a prospect swap of Dionicio for Badinka?

People in this thread are ignoring the importance and value of retention spots - there are only 3. The ducks are already retaining on Fowler for this year and next.

To retain on Gibson for through 2026-27 locks up another spot. It is something the ducks should do in the right deal, but it is far preferable to take back a bad short term contract than to use a retention spot.

And if the Ducks are retaining 50%, then I think Gibson should have a lot of value. The acquiring team is locking up a proven starting goaltender - potentially top 5-10, but no worse than league average - at a $3.2M AAV which is the going rate for a top backup. For cap strapped teams with a 2-4 year window (Edmonton), that is huge.

I don't think Gibson has the trade value Ducks fans seem to think (or hope) he has.

If Anaheim demands a 1st for a $6.4 Million AAV X3 years goaltender who has had spotty numbers over the past few seasons - for whatever reason - I don't think they'll have a lot of takers.

Dostal seems poised to take over as starter in net. Is Gibson fine with that? It doesn't sound like it to me. But the Ducks don't *have* to move Gibson. It is just likely to happen IMHO.

In that scenario the Oilers are better off trying to get Vejmelka as a pending UFA rental.

Just my two cents.

If Gibson is traded to a contender, any first round pick is going to be in the 20+ range. Not as high a value. That being said: (i) I agree the ducks would need to retain (or take back a bad contract - perhaps the goalie he's replacing) to get a first round pick; and (ii) I think the preference is to land NHL talent or a top prospect over a draft pick.

As others have pointed out, the ducks don't have any known reason to fire sale Gibson. It is possible he's unhappy or wants a trade . . . no reliable reports of that. Gibson seems renewed this year and his family is settled in OC, so there's that. That being said, it could be that the Ducks eventually trade him to a "good landing spot" and accept a lesser deal - like they did for Fowler. From a fan's outsider perspective, it doesn't feel like the Ducks/Gibson have reached that point yet. It did feel that way with Fowler.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Gibson has wanted out for 3 years. That ship has sailed.

Also, you are grossly misstating the Fowler situation. The falloff was predicted if the team went with all 2nd year players, because the term “sophomore slump” exists for a reason, and has proven to be real for 2/3 of them. However, the team replaced veteran Fowler with veteran Trouba, which prevented the team from relying on said young players, while providing a better stylistic player for the roster, which…still plays pretty shot defense.

Which was what I suggested all along

 

[Rubi]

You're talking like Gibson is this massively sought after commodity in the league. He isn't.

And what exactly do you think Edmonton could be willing to offer that Anaheim would be at all interested in?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I don't watch Anaheim, so pardon my ignorance.

I assume you're talking about Terry, Zegras, McTavish, Carlsson, Sennecke, and Gauthier.
Is Terry better than his statline suggests? Do either of McTavish or Carlsson look like future 1Cs? Winning teams need at least one 1C and another forward who can drive his own line. Doesn't seem like Anaheim has either right now.

I’d say

Carlsson has 1c upside
mctavish prob a good 2c
zegras could be a top 6 center, but I think ducks want size down the middle so he might be forced into wing.

As for terry, I see him as a 2nd line winger…. He seems to play better on lines where he is the main guy.

As the power play/young players grow and we get a new system you’ll see a steady boost on all those guys.

We have a lot of potential coming also with gauthier, sennecke, colangelo, masse and a guy like pastujov who is lighting up the AHL right now. I assume we will go forward at the draft. Right now our goal should be getting more out of the young guys… fixing power play.

 

[PuckG]

And what exactly do you think Edmonton could be willing to offer that Anaheim would be at all interested in?

1st round pick in 2026, Beau Akey, M. Savoie, Sam O’Rielly. All can be used as trade chips, although I’m not sure which Anaheim would prioritize or currently be interested in nor do I think Gibson at his current cap hit warrants more than 1 of those assets.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

1st round pick in 2026, Beau Akey, M. Savoie, Sam O’Rielly. All can be used as trade chips, although I’m not sure which Anaheim would prioritize or currently be interested in nor do I think Gibson at his current cap hit warrants more than 1 of those assets.

Just out of curiosity what are edmontons needs outside of goalie?


I like Sam o rielly a lot, and personally love savoie tho I don’t think Anaheim would like him much.

Akey would be a decent add too as RHD is still pretty light in our org.

 

[Rubi]

1st round pick in 2026, Beau Akey, M. Savoie, Sam O’Rielly. All can be used as trade chips, although I’m not sure which Anaheim would prioritize or currently be interested in nor do I think Gibson at his current cap hit warrants more than 1 of those assets.

Like I said.... pipe dream. None of those poor trade chips would induce Anaheim to trade Gibson. Edmonton has very poor trade capital to work with when it comes to trading for a legit #1 goalie who, with his current .915 Sv%, could make a huge differnce in the playoffs.... an Edmonton wet dream btw.
Gibson is way more likely to go to Carolina this season, or anywhere else for that matter, than Edmonton.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Like I said.... pipe dream. None of those poor trade chips would induce Anaheim to trade Gibson. Edmonton has very poor trade capital to work with when it comes to trading for a legit #1 goalie who, with his current .915 Sv%, could make a huge differnce in the playoffs.... an Edmonton wet dream btw.
Gibson is way more likely to go to Carolina this season, or anywhere else for that matter, than Edmonton.

Eh I feel like

O rielly + goalie is prob in the right direction.

 

[tfwnogf]

Like I said.... pipe dream. None of those poor trade chips would induce Anaheim to trade Gibson. Edmonton has very poor trade capital to work with when it comes to trading for a legit #1 goalie who, with his current .915 Sv%, could make a huge differnce in the playoffs.... an Edmonton wet dream btw.
Gibson is way more likely to go to Carolina this season, or anywhere else for that matter, than Edmonton.

 

[PuckG]

Just out of curiosity what are edmontons needs outside of goalie?

Potentially a RHD (subject to how Emberson continues to progress, but an upgrade is likely warranted anyways).

Ideally Arvidsson played like an actual top 6 winger, but in the absence of that, Draisaitl could really use a real winger to play with.

Besides that, any depth to overload this team and make them as competitive for a cup run this year while we have some value superstar contracts.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Potentially a RHD (subject to how Emberson continues to progress, but an upgrade is likely warranted anyways).

Ideally Arvidsson played like an actual top 6 winger, but in the absence of that, Draisaitl could really use a real winger to play with.

Besides that, any depth to overload this team and make them as competitive for a cup run this year while we have some value superstar contracts.

Not true. Looks to be a forward and/or a LHD. Team will def be bringing in a forward