Post-Game Talk: GIANT KILLERS: Jets 3 Blues 1

[Jets 31]

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This Jets team continues to impress. They still tend to sleepwalk through the occasional winnable game, which is a symptom of the 82 game schedule. But this team gets it done when needed. Beat Dallas, finally got a win against Vegas in impressive fashion when they needed to end their losing streak, and sent a message to the Blues to remind them who is boss of the Western conference.

The regular season can't end soon enough.

Yes and no. This race to the finish is going to be exciting.

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

That was a no doubt about it style of win. Score wasn't reflective of how the Jets dominated.
The blues have been playing v well since Montgomery took over, and 12 wins in a row deserves props however 6 of those wins were against bottom feeders and a few more against some mid teams. They did have 2 notable wins vs COL. But overall, cupcake schedule at the right time for them.

Assuming they make the playoffs, the Blues will be a formidable team. Montgomery, who had his issues in the past and hopefully, now has them under control, is a very good coach. He had a slow start in St. Louis but the 4-Nations break allowed him to get his systems in place and they've been very good since then. They'll challenge whoever the meet up with in the first round.

 

[Jets 31]

The team stats page on NHL.com has the Jets with 264 and Dallas with 262...lol who knows.

Anyway, I just think they've got 3 pretty good scoring lines, even without Seguin.

Robertson-Hintz-Rantanen has been very good with 73% GF and GF/60 of 3.79.
Marchment-Duchene-Granlund has been good as well with 57% GF and GF/60 of 3.37.
Benn-Johnston-Bourque has only played 50 minutes together and they're 50% GF and 3.57 GF/60.
I think Steel-Back-Blackwell was their 4th line, but Dadonov's down there right now. They were 41.2% GF and 2.37 GF/60.

Dallas seems to shuffle players around a lot more. The Jets lines have been relatively set in stone aside from moves made due to injury.

Anything over 3 goals/60 is pretty good.

Yup Dallas is a very good team, so is Colorado,Vegas and i would throw LA and St.Louis in as well. But right now the Jets are ahead of all of them and i for one love it.

 

[Gm0ney]

It occurred to me that some of those players are traded recently to Dallas. Ergo their points totals are airlifted from Colorado etc, and perhaps may not strictly reflect this years' performance with their current linemates.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Yeah when I did those point totals for lines that had Granlund and Rantanen on them, I included their points elsewhere. But to be fair, I would include Tanev's points from Seattle in the Jets 4th line totals!

The Dallas top line is definitely cooking: Robertson-Hintz-Rantanen...although their xG isn't impressive (2.84-2.84 per 60, 50%), so likely not something I'd expect to continue.

The Jets current top line of CSI is putting up 62% xGF, 3.01-1.86 per 60, and their actual GF is 66.7%, 6-3. Very good indeed. Small sample but the xG is encouraging.

Maybe I should put this in a table:

	GF/60	GA/60	GF%	xGF/60	xGA/60	xGF%
R-H-R (DAL)	3.79	1.42	73%	2.84	2.84	50%
C-S-I (WPG)	3.29	1.64	67%	3.01	1.86	62%
C-S-V (WPG)	3.17	2.38	57%	2.78	2.51	53%

I wish the Jets had tried a few other things during the season before Vilardi got injured. It's a small sample, but CSI has been outperforming CSV by all these measures.

 

[raideralex99]

I've already eaten my crow but, boy was I wrong on that one. In my defence, I simply thought both were past it. They are getting on.

Well if you can call Tanev a power forward I was right.
Jets were missing a power forward and big bruising D man.
I wanted Schenn but when he was traded to Pittsburgh I was so disappointed but Chevy came through.

 

[Jets 31]

Yeah when I did those point totals for lines that had Granlund and Rantanen on them, I included their points elsewhere. But to be fair, I would include Tanev's points from Seattle in the Jets 4th line totals!

The Dallas top line is definitely cooking: Robertson-Hintz-Rantanen...although their xG isn't impressive (2.84-2.84 per 60, 50%), so likely not something I'd expect to continue.

The Jets current top line of CSI is putting up 62% xGF, 3.01-1.86 per 60, and their actual GF is 66.7%, 6-3. Very good indeed. Small sample but the xG is encouraging.

Maybe I should put this in a table:

	GF/60	GA/60	GF%	xGF/60	xGA/60	xGF%
R-H-R (DAL)	3.79	1.42	73%	2.84	2.84	50%
C-S-I (WPG)	3.29	1.64	67%	3.01	1.86	62%
C-S-V (WPG)	3.17	2.38	57%	2.78	2.51	53%

I wish the Jets had tried a few other things during the season before Vilardi got injured. It's a small sample, but CSI has been outperforming CSV by all these measures.

We are 1st in the entire NHL, i have a very hard time questioning Arniel on anything he's done so far this season , but that's just me .

 

[GNP]

I believe Dallas plays tonight ? and if they lose that will help the Jets, and tighten the noose around their neck. Go Van, and take out Dallas tonight. Jets need any extra help they can get.

 

[10Ducky10]

Congrats to Comrie and the missus on their newborn baby.

 

[jungles]

I would not worry about it … the Stars play the Canucks tonight with Hughes and Demko in the lineup. Star won’t be this lucky like the last game they played the Canucks without those 2 players. Some how the Stars won 4-1.
Stars lose tonight their odds are 3.6% of winning the central.View attachment 1009208

That looks like every Stars game for the last month

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Don't care what anyone says Arniel is coach of the year and Chevy is the best GM . Chevy on trade deadline day , what that guy won't go to Winnipeg ? How about this guy ? No ? Ok well screw it I'm going to grab 2 guys that will play in Winnipeg and other teams aren't going to like playing against THEM in Winnipeg.

Exactly. To hell with big names and stars. Go for hard to play against.

 

[GNP]

Yup Dallas is a very good team, so is Colorado,Vegas and i would throw LA and St.Louis in as well. But right now the Jets are ahead of all of them and i for one love it.

I’d like to believe this, but I still think that Colorado and Vegas are the teams to beat. They’ve both won the Cup, and know how to turn it on in the playoffs.

This may be the year, the Jets take that next step - they have the talent, just need the intense desire to win, and take it to the next level. It may be our year.

 

[voyageur]

I wonder what gabe would look like at 2C.

Not sure he can skate fast enough to cover the middle of the ice. But he could take draws. I like the idea of Vilardi coming back in Ehlers spot, for offense. Might get Perfetti some easy assists or goals with a good net drive, dirty work...Namestnikov covers the ice well defensively and supports his wingers. Would allow Ehlers to play best on best with Lowry, and have more space to manouver. Nino on the 4th line, 1st man up.

But it's one game at a time, and any game can shake up a lineup. There's guys who can play responsibly and effectively when asked to step up. We're seeing that.

 

[Gm0ney]

Curious as to why you're referring to GF% after all the times that you've told me specifically that xGF% is a better indication of play because goals are so rare and can be random

Robertson Hintz Rantanan is only 50 xGF%. Marchant Duchene Granlund is 37.6 xGF%

Is there a particular reason you used GF% in this case (legit curious, not trying to be a dick)?

I wasn't even looking at xGF when I mentioned that Dallas has a lot of forward depth.

Duchene, Hintz, Robertson, Rantanen, Johnston, Benn, Marchment, Granlund and Seguin (injured) is a lot of scoring depth! If you look at their goals/points it's not like a bunch of those guys are having a wild outlier season...

But looking at their xGF%, they're clearly outscoring expectations on both sides of the ice. They've definitely been getting the bounces. Anything can happen in small samples (and both those lines are small samples).

 

[10Ducky10]

I’d like to believe this, but I still think that Colorado and Vegas are the teams to beat. They’ve both won the Cup, and know how to turn it on in the playoffs.

This may be the year, the Jets take that next step - they have the talent, just need the intense desire to win, and take it to the next level. It may be our year.

Colorado really turned it on against Dallas last year. What did they win? 2 games?
Vegas really turned it on too, gimme a break.
I think LA would give us a hard time but honestly can't think of another team in the Weat that would.
St. Louis was put in their place last night and they were the hottest team in the league. They'd be lucky to win 2 games against us in the playoffs.

 

[Gm0ney]

We are 1st in the entire NHL, i have a very hard time questioning Arniel on anything he's done so far this season , but that's just me .

I'm not calling him out, it's just interesting to see CSI clicking so well, and who knows what other line combos might have done.

 

[LowLefty]

The top line players were in on 2 of 3 goals what are you talking about?

You're right of course - I should have said "when our big guns are not scoring" -
The post was really about how we played the right way - and relied less on scoring from the big guns.
The goals scored were not highlight reel - but they were a reflection of the game plan - more shots, going to the net, battling.
But your point is valid -

 

[Buffdog]

I wasn't even looking at xGF when I mentioned that Dallas has a lot of forward depth.

Duchene, Hintz, Robertson, Rantanen, Johnston, Benn, Marchment, Granlund and Seguin (injured) is a lot of scoring depth! If you look at their goals/points it's not like a bunch of those guys are having a wild outlier season...

But looking at their xGF%, they're clearly outscoring expectations on both sides of the ice. They've definitely been getting the bounces. Anything can happen in small samples (and both those lines are small samples).

Yeah, that's why I asked. I haven't watched them that closely lately but there seems to be a consensus that they're pulling wins out of their asses somehow recently

Just looking at the names, it's a deep forward group for sure. Their D seems suspect to me though. Dumba makes Stanley look like Bobby Orr (ok, maybe Rod Langway lol). Ceci and Bischel dont inspire confidence either.

They could really use Heiskanen back but who knows what he'll look like when he returns

 

[raideralex99]

The Jets have only played 2 games with their full lineup since adding Schenn and Tanev.
They are 2-0 ... they beat the Rangers 2-1 and the Stars 4-1.
I don't know what people are worried about?
A healthy Jets should be able to make a run this year regardless who they play.

 

[bustamente]

The Jets have only played 2 games with their full lineup since adding Schenn and Tanev.
They are 2-0 ... they beat the Rangers 2-1 and the Stars 4-1.
I don't know what people are worried about?
A healthy Jets should be able to make a run this year regardless who they play.

Dispatching a team quickly in the first round will do a lot to help this fanbases past playoffs horrors.

 

[Buffdog]

The Jets have only played 2 games with their full lineup since adding Schenn and Tanev.
They are 2-0 ... they beat the Rangers 2-1 and the Stars 4-1.
I don't know what people are worried about?
A healthy Jets should be able to make a run this year regardless who they play.

If they play like they did last night, then yes

Every once in a while, they'll no-show for whatever reason... but they need to try to avoid that, or at least rectify it immediately if it happens (preferably in-game, but for sure by the next one). They've definitely done a better job of it this year than last year

What I'm finding very encouraging is the number of greasy goals that they're getting recently by just going to the net. Iafallo's goal yesterday was a great example... that's how it will have to be done in the playoffs

 

[PhilJets]

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[PhilJets]

Our two biggest guns have slowed down a little bit on scoring for a few games now. Sliding down the leaderboard ladder .

But hopefully the last game show they will ramp and can ramp it up again

I still want
Connor to get 100 points

and both Scheifele and Connor 40 goals.

 

[PhilJets]

 

[PhilJets]

Same with Helly
save % and goals against average are now closer with the 2nd place

hopefully he can lock in the 4 stats.

How many games you think he will play 2 games still? Maybe 3

I understand ultimate goal is to win in the playoffs.

But hopefully he gets into hart trophy top 3
and Jets win the President trophy.
We never had that before as a Jets fans.