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If he were healthy he’d be centering our second line but believe what you’d like dude.
There hasn't been a playoffs since 2020 that Draisaitl hasn't been McDavid's most common linemate but believe what you'd like.
If he were healthy he’d be centering our second line but believe what you’d like dude.
You want to know what none of those teams had? Massive holes at key positions and GMs who struck out multiple times in drafting, free agent signings, and trades or lack thereof in some cases. You keep clutching to this make believe leadership quality that you think wins championships. Good teams with complete rosters, quality management and quality drafting win cups. Which of these qualities do you believe the McDavid era Oilers have had?
There's a reason why Bergeron didn't win again despite all the excellent "leadership" you're talking about. And that reason has a name, Peter Chiarelli.
Well respectfully I disagree with your takeThey have zero scoring depth. Otherwise why does McDavid, Drai, Hyman and RNH play half the game with the other lines under 12 minutes? Depth?
Well respectfully I disagree with your take
McDrai needs to be split up and RNH, Mcleod and Foegle need to better
Nice find , interesting.McDavid has 38 ES points in the last three playoffs, Draisaitl has been on 22 of them (56%)
In 08 and 09, Crosby had 34 ES points, Malkin was in on 4 of them (12%).
It would be huge if both McDavid and Draisaitl could each carry their own line.
they already have the 4 zebras and the NHL creating chances for the club, what more do you want?Every other shift they are on the ice creating chances and have bums around them.
Nice find , interesting.
I do wonder if it’s more cause Drai needs McD than the other way around
Nice find , interesting.
I do wonder if it’s more cause Drai needs McD than the other way around
It's a strange thing. They are so good together that you would think that they could play apart produce as much overall offense for the team without having to be so reliant on one line/getting PP opportunities. It really relegates the rest of the team to bystanders.
It's been the same story for years now.
Agreed. And I don’t buy the injury excuse as to why they are playing together now. Drai looks fine and played over 29 minutes. Every year they resort to playing them together and playing them half the gameIt's a strange thing. They are so good together that you would think that they could play apart produce as much overall offense for the team without having to be so reliant on one line/getting PP opportunities. It really relegates the rest of the team to bystanders.
It's been the same story for years now.
Pretty much agree.Agreed. And I don’t buy the injury excuse as to why they are playing together now. Drai looks fine and played over 29 minutes. Every year they resort to playing them together and playing them half the game
It’s so much easier for other teams to game plan around one line than two. Each of them should be more than capable of running their own line and creating matchup nightmares for opposing coaches.
How are any players supposed to produce when one line uses up half the game minutes? Does Knoblach not know how to balance lines or is it the fact the Oilers have no depth? See goaltending for a better example.Well respectfully I disagree with your take
McDrai needs to be split up and RNH, Mcleod and Foegle need to better
I wouldn't do this if I were Edmonton. Marner will need a new contract. And the Oilers shouldn't use up valuable cap to a guy like Marner. Not to mention Hyman is a better postseason player at half the cost.Marner for Hyman + Kulak ?
“Good teams with complete rosters, quality management and quality drafting win cups”You want to know what none of those teams had? Massive holes at key positions and GMs who struck out multiple times in drafting, free agent signings, and trades or lack thereof in some cases. You keep clutching to this make believe leadership quality that you think wins championships. Good teams with complete rosters, quality management and quality drafting win cups. Which of these qualities do you believe the McDavid era Oilers have had?
There's a reason why Bergeron didn't win again despite all the excellent "leadership" you're talking about. And that reason has a name, Peter Chiarelli.
I like how posters keep comparing the 2009 Pens to this year's Oilers.
Scuderi-Gill were not direct liabilities to their team like Ceci-Nurse. Gonchar was better than any D Edmonton has. The 2009 version of MAF would definitely be enough for this Oilers team.
If you put the 2009 version of Crosby/Malkin on this year's Oilers, it would not make a difference.
Vancouver dominated game 1 5v5 and did a better job than just about anyone has this year shutting down McDavid when they were apart, with or without Draisatl on the ice. Splitting them up won't work, especially with Draisatl laggin a bit - they don't have the depth for it. They have to stack and overplay a line and hope their dominance will allow them to win before exhaustion kicks in. Might work this round, who knows, they're amazing together. Won't get them through next round because, great as these guys are, they are mortal and have limited energy.Agreed. And I don’t buy the injury excuse as to why they are playing together now. Drai looks fine and played over 29 minutes. Every year they resort to playing them together and playing them half the game
It’s so much easier for other teams to game plan around one line than two. Each of them should be more than capable of running their own line and creating matchup nightmares for opposing coaches.
The Oilers need to split them up and I think they would have last game if not for being down by a few goals early in the game. It was probably more a strategy of trying to get back into the game. I would be surprised if they are not split up this game. They also need some of their depth to gets a few goals, you can't expect one line to do all the scoring.
You really don't want to go throwing genius labels around at the same time you repeatedly show that you don't understand how the salary cap works.Results matter genius. It’s absolutely telling how this so-called “greatest player” can’t even his team to even a lousy division title. Then he takes league max which further cripples his team’s ability to add value players to get over the hump. There’s absolutely no leadership being displayed by this overpriced & overrated baby.
Was Ray Bourque a bad leader? Arguably the 2nd best D-man in history, and he didn't win a cup until he joined the Avs. Was it his shit leadership, or were his teams not good enough?Leadership is a big reason for Vancouver’s turnaround but I guess if the metrics say Edmonton are cup faves it must be true, lmao.
Crosby has multiple cups.
So does Toews.
Messier. Roy. Yzerman. Bergeron. TBays core for their cups.
The list is endless.
All leaders not just captains.
When is McDavid going to guarantee a win?
Yes, leadership matters.
It’s been long enough these two should have a cup by now.
Was Ray Bourque a bad leader? Arguably the 2nd best D-man in history, and he didn't win a cup until he joined the Avs. Was it his shit leadership, or were his teams not good enough?
2009 MAF sported a sparkling .878 save percentage in the 2nd round in an era where it was harder to score in the playoffs. Adjusted for era that's even worse than what Skinner is doing right now, but the Pens were able to win the series, with Malkin in particular playing with a rotating cast of nobodies.I like how posters keep comparing the 2009 Pens to this year's Oilers.
Scuderi-Gill were not direct liabilities to their team like Ceci-Nurse. Gonchar was better than any D Edmonton has. The 2009 version of MAF would definitely be enough for this Oilers team.
If you put the 2009 version of Crosby/Malkin on this year's Oilers, it would not make a difference.