Player Discussion Gerard Gallant

[chosen]

Gallant has been his own worst enemy a ton this year. I don't like what hes doing with the PP right now and his need to force Kane-Panarin when that trade happened which kept K-Z-T as a thing is the difference between the Rangers still having a shot at 1st in the division and being where they are right now. Now there are other things (If Igor is Igor, if Kreider isn't shooting like 4% on the PP, if Panarin isn't handcuffed to Kravtsov for a month and a half, etc) but your coach should never get in the way of your on ice shit.

But he has done things pretty recently that I HAVE liked.

- Shifting the lines in that Carolina game last month that they won 6-2 (The 4 goal, 5 point Panarin game.) They were getting boat raced before that happened and once things changed up Panarin went off, game over.

- Doing the same thing to spark them in Florida, but having the awareness to realize that it was just an off night for those lines and GOING BACK THE LINES THAT THEY STARTED THAT GAME WITH for the next one. Had he tried to shove K-Z-T down our throats again I would have arrested Jovo and just murdered Gallant myself.

If he can get the PP sorted out (I'd like to just go back to the way things were) that would be great.

Vveryone knows he isn't a tactician, so on that end I would actually like to see them replace his assistants at the end of the year as I think they're both ass.

Wondering how you gauge abilities of assistant coaches. If it's results-based than it's 100% worthless because as coaches move from team-to-team, results differ wildly.

It's like when people told me that Joe Torre was a great manager, yet I believe he was below .500 when away from the uber-talented Yankees.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

I miss Mike Sullivan

 

[bobbop]

My prediction he will get outcoached again, no Stanley Cup again.

Another coach of the year candidate

 

[hackeyman]

I miss Mike Sullivan

But don't we all ? Even more I miss the great David Quinn and the 3 Stanley Cup champoinships he brought us.

 

[zlev]

I miss Mike Sullivan

Penguins fans all hate him, he does the same shit every coach does (cling to terrible players and play them way too much)

 

[nyr2k2]

I'm not sure there's a coach out there at the NHL level that isn't criticized by the fan base for the same basic things:

Changing lines too much
Not changing lines enough
Favoring veteran players
Not playing kids enough
Having a stupid system/no system/etc.
Not making good in-game adjustments

Of course not all coaches are accused of all of these things, but most are accused of at least a few. It's just the nature of the job. I'm not defending Gallant, FWIW, just noting that he's not really uniquely bad at anything IMO.

 

[Crease]

Very few coaches in history can elevate themselves above the team. Those are the special ones who stick around with the same organization for a duration and are rare to find. Most NHL coaches fall into the category of adequate and the right guy at the right time. Plug and play based on the roster composition and the vibe of the room. Gallant falls into this latter category, and that’s fine. Right now, he’s the right guy at the right time. Next year or the year after might be a different story.

 

[Lion Hound]

Gallant Sucks Though!

1​	Lester Patrick*†	1926–1939	604	281	216	107	—	.554	.465	65	31	26	8	Stanley Cup champions (1928, 1933)	[4]​
2​	Frank Boucher*†	1939–1948	487	167	243	77	—	.422	.343	27	13	14	0	Stanley Cup champions (1940)	[18]​
3​	Lynn Patrick*	1948–1950	107	40	51	16	—	.449	.374	12	7	5	0		[11]​
4​	Neil Colville*†	1950–1951	93	26	41	26	—	.419	.280	—	—	—	—		[19]​
5​	Bill Cook*†	1951–1953	117	34	59	24	—	.393	.291	—	—	—	—		[20]​
—​	Frank Boucher*†	1953–1954	40	14	20	6	—	.425	.350	—	—	—	—		[18]​
6​	Muzz Patrick†	1954–1955	100	32	46	22	—	.430	.320	—	—	—	—		[6]​
7​	Phil Watson	1955–1959	295	119	124	52	—	.492	.403	16	4	12	—		[26]​
—​	Muzz Patrick†	1959	2	0	1	1	—	.250	.000	—	—	—	—		[6]​
8​	Alfred Pike†	1959–1961	123	36	66	21	—	.378	.293	—	—	—	—		[7]​
9​	Doug Harvey*†	1961–1962	70	26	32	12	—	.457	.371	6	2	4	—		[22]​
—​	Muzz Patrick†	1962	34	11	19	4	—	.382	.324	—	—	—	—		[6]​
10​	Red Sullivan	1962–1965	196	58	103	35	—	.385	.296	—	—	—	—		[27]​
11​	Emile Francis*	1965–1968	194	82	82	30	—	.500	.423	10	2	8	—		[12]​
12​	Bernie Geoffrion*	1968–1969	43	22	18	3	—	.547	.512	—	—	—	—		[10]​
—​	Emile Francis*	1969–1973	343	201	88	54	—	.665	.586	49	24	25	—		[12]​
13​	Larry Popein†	1973–1974	41	18	14	9	—	.549	.439	—	—	—	—		[28]​
—​	Emile Francis*	1974–1975	117	59	39	19	—	.585	.504	16	8	8	—		[12]​
14​	Ron Stewart	1975–1976	39	15	20	4	—	.436	.385	—	—	—	—		[29]​
15​	John Ferguson, Sr.	1976–1977	121	43	59	19	—	.434	.355	—	—	—	—		[30]​
16​	Jean-Guy Talbot	1977–1978	80	30	37	13	—	.456	.375	3	1	2	—		[31]​
17​	Fred Shero*	1978–1980	180	82	74	24	—	.522	.456	27	15	12	—		[17]​
18​	Craig Patrick*	1980–1981	60	26	23	11	—	.525	.433	14	7	7	—		[14]​
19​	Herb Brooks*	1981–1985	285	131	113	41	—	.532	.460	24	12	12	—		[16]​
—​	Craig Patrick*	1985	35	11	22	2	—	.343	.314	3	0	3	—		[14]​
20​	Ted Sator	1985–1986	99	41	48	10	—	.465	.414	16	8	8	—		[32]​
21​	Tom Webster	1986–1987	16	5	7	4	—	.438	.313	—	—	—	—		[33]​
22​	Phil Esposito*†	1987	43	24	19	0	—	.558	.558	6	2	4	—		[21]​
23​	Michel Bergeron	1987–1989	158	73	67	18	—	.519	.462	—	—	—	—		[34]​
—​	Phil Esposito*†	1989	2	0	2	0	—	.000	.000	4	0	4	—		[21]​
24​	Roger Neilson*	1989–1993	280	141	104	35	—	.566	.504	29	13	16	—	Presidents' Trophy (1992)	[15]​
25​	Ron Smith†	1993	44	15	22	7	—	.420	.341	—	—	—	—		[8]​
26​	Mike Keenan	1993–1994	84	52	24	8	—	.667	.619	23	16	7	—	Presidents' Trophy (1994) Stanley Cup champions (1994)	[24]​
27​	Colin Campbell†	1994–1998	269	118	108	43	—	.519	.439	36	18	18	—		[9]​
28​	John Muckler	1998–2000	185	70	88	24	3	.451	.378	—	—	—	—		[35]​
29​	John Tortorella	2000	4	0	3	1	—	.125	.000	—	—	—	—		[36]​
30​	Ron Low	2000–2002	164	69	81	9	5	.463	.421	—	—	—	—		[37]​
31​	Bryan Trottier*†	2002–2003	54	21	26	6	1	.454	.389	—	—	—	—		[23]​
32​	Glen Sather*	2003–2004	90	33	39	11	7	.572	.367	—	—	—	—		[13]​
33​	Tom Renney	2004–2009	327	164	117	—	46	.572	.502	24	11	13	—		[38]​
—​	John Tortorella	2009–2013	315	171	115	—	29	.589	.543	44	19	25	—		[36]​
34​	Alain Vigneault	2013–2018	410	226	147	—	37	.596	.551	61	31	30	—	Presidents' Trophy (2015)	[25]​
35​	David Quinn	2018–2021	208	96	87	—	25	.522	.462	3	0	3	—		[39]​
36​	Gerard Gallant	2021–present	82	52	24	—	6	.671	.634	20	10	10	—		[40]​

 

[Crease]

“Any caveman can win games with this roster.”

Argued unironically by some, despite the fact that the team had guys like Hunt, Goodrow, Blais, and Vesey in the top six for a majority of two seasons.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

“Any caveman can win games with this roster.”

Argued unironically by some, despite the fact that the team had guys like Hunt, Goodrow, Blais, and Vesey in the top six for a majority of two seasons.

He made the decision to play those guys in the top six when there were other players likely more suited for it (ie. the Kids, who we should be investing in long term)

 

[McRanger92]

He made the decision to play those guys in the top six when there were other players likely more suited for it (ie. the Kids, who we should be investing in long term)

They quite literally invested in Chytil long term yesterday lol

 

[irishlaxburger2]

They quite literally invested in Chytil long term yesterday lol

Gallant is our GM? News to me.

 

[McRanger92]

Gallant is our GM? News to me.

Chytil has broken out under Gallant, no?

 

[irishlaxburger2]

Chytil has broken out under Gallant, no?

We have no idea how much opportunity cost there's been in Chytil's - and the rest of the Kid Line's development - given their relegation to 3rd line minutes in lieu of less talented players being forced into top 6 minutes.

Nobody forced Sammy Blais, Dryden Hunt, or Jimmy Vesey into the top 6. Gallant made that decision despite - and potentially at the development cost of - organizational 1st round picks with much more skill and long-term upside being readily available.

I will not besmirch him at all for keeping the Kid Line together as our 3rd line given the current roster make-up. There are simply more talented options now that Kane and Tarasenko are on the team. Not to mention being later in the season and needing to take games more seriously as we get closer to the Playoffs. But playing the likes of Dryden Hunt in the top 6 over the Kids in November? That's idiotic, and completely on Gallant. He made that choice himself.

 

[McRanger92]

We have no idea how much opportunity cost there's been in Chytil's - and the rest of the Kid Line's development - given their relegation to 3rd line minutes in lieu of less talented players being forced into top 6 minutes.

Nobody forced Sammy Blais, Dryden Hunt, or Jimmy Vesey into the top 6. Gallant made that decision despite - and potentially at the development cost of - organizational 1st round picks with much more skill and long-term upside being readily available.

I will not besmirch him at all for keeping the Kid Line together as our 3rd line given the current roster make-up. There are simply more talented options now that Kane and Tarasenko are on the team. Not to mention being later in the season and needing to take games more seriously as we get closer to the Playoffs. But playing the likes of Dryden Hunt in the top 6 over the Kids in November? That's idiotic, and completely on Gallant. He made that choice himself.

That is ancient history at this point. Blais and Hunt havent played serious roles on the team since pre-deadline last year and Vesey was legitimately good in the top 6 this year until we made our trades. The kids are developing fine. Soon that narrative will die too.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

That is ancient history at this point. Blais and Hunt havent played serious roles on the team since pre-deadline last year and Vesey was legitimately good in the top 6 this year until we made our trades. The kids are developing fine. Soon that narrative will die too.

You can't just chalk it up as "ancient history".

Someone suggested Gallant had no choice but to play crappy talent in the top 6 for the better part of two years. I proved that it was his choice to do so, and that he very much had a choice. It was his own decision. Nobody else's.

I agree that digging into the Kid development narrative is probably beating a dead horse at this point. But let's not create revisionist history in claiming Gallant was forced into these decisions either. He wasn't. He very much had other options.

 

[McRanger92]

You can't just chalk it up as "ancient history".

Someone suggested Gallant had no choice but to play crappy talent in the top 6 for the better part of two years. I proved that it was his choice to do so, and that he very much had a choice. It was his own decision. Nobody else's.

I agree that digging into the Kid development narrative is probably beating a dead horse at this point. But let's not create revisionist history in claiming Gallant was forced into these decisions either. He wasn't. He very much had other options.

The kids werent playing well last year. Kakko was playing injured after getting hurt by Romanov, Chytil was ineffective, hurt and getting scratched until late in the season and playoffs, and the team didnt want to play a 20 year old Lafreniere out of position before he was ready. The decisions were all easily explained but people didnt want to accept that once Gallant was hired, player development became priority 2 behind winning games.

I'm not a Gallant fan because I don't think he will elevate a team in the playoffs with his decisions, but the proof is in the putting. Under him the team has won consistently AND developed their young players into highly effective NHLers with room to grow. What coach would you have rather had who was available?

 

[SickNice]

I'd fire him right now. You can cite his record and all that, but fact is the team has no structure, is not responding to him, and who can possibly think they'll even make it a series in the first round?

 

[Kocur26]

I would fire him tomorrow and make Chris Drury the head coach.

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

Either Igor plays out of his mind and we go on a run and people will give this buffoon credit, or Igor won't and people might realize he is what he is.

 

[Kodiak]

You don’t fire a coach because your veteran players aren’t performing in meaningless games. Gallant, like everyone else, is going to be judged based on the playoffs.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Fire him now

 

[Row I Goon]

Tired of hearing coaches moan in the presser about lines not ‘showing up‘ during the game.

We know - we were watching - YOU were the knucklehead who didn’t DO SOMETHING about it…..

 

[NickyFotiu]

I miss Mike Sullivan

I like Sully but under Torts wasn't he in charge of our bad PP?

 

[JHS]

Fire him now

You know- if you are not pretty happy now with this Ranger team and the likelihood they will be competitive and perhaps cup contenders/winners for the foreseeable future then I’m simply not sure when you ever will. To suggest the coach be fired when the team has played incredibly well for several months now is pathetic. Try and not let emotional responses enter into your view of a really good team. You just lose all credibility.