Georgiev is ridiculously bad and it’s kinda embarrassing the Sharks play him.

There’s a 5 month age gap between Kostin and Kovalenko. There’s just not a ton of upside there.

And you’re right. There is no trade value in Georgie’s contract as in zero. We took him for basically free when in reality, like Goodrow’s deal (even though he does have additional years) we should have gotten far more than we did.
There’s also a significant experience gap in North America that makes Kostin much more of a certainty to be nothing whereas seeing more than one season of Kovalenko is rushing to judgment.

As for Georgiev, the market suggests something dramatically different than what you’re suggesting. I have no idea what makes you think Georgiev at 2.9 mil expiring costs any team far more than what they got. Goodrow is hardly comparable when he’s got term.
 
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and a lot of people thought that maybe he would be a better starter.
Including the GM of the Colorado Avalanche....

That mistake cost us dearly..... not only last season, but he cost us at least a better seeding in the Central with his play in october and november..... Thats where we lost a ton of points because our "starter (s)" could stop a beach ball.
 
Which is a joke that the NHL allows teams to get a 1st overall in back to back year's, there should be a rule that if you get a 1st overall pick you are not allowed to pick in the top 3 for at least 3 years, will give teams and incentive to try and win
Which they will inevitably fail at.
 
There’s also a significant experience gap in North America that makes Kostin much more of a certainty to be nothing whereas seeing more than one season of Kovalenko is rushing to judgment.

As for Georgiev, the market suggests something dramatically different than what you’re suggesting. I have no idea what makes you think Georgiev at 2.9 mil expiring costs any team far more than what they got. Goodrow is hardly comparable when he’s got term.
Colorado was in a bad position where they had little wiggle room and as we saw throughout the course of the rest of the trade season, no other established goaltenders were moved. Blackwood had basically the market to himself, whether it was from his play the last couple of seasons, the fact he was on an expiring deal, his age or just the asking price. Colorado also had to move on from Georgie so not only did they need to find a team that had a goaltender they felt fit the team, but they needed a team willing to take on the graveyard of a salary of Georgie knowing how toxic his reputation is with teammates.

Essentially Grier sold low because he didn't want to risk getting his second. Ironically it's the same as the Zetterlund trade. Grier just has a thing for second rounders.
 
Colorado was in a bad position where they had little wiggle room and as we saw throughout the course of the rest of the trade season, no other established goaltenders were moved. Blackwood had basically the market to himself, whether it was from his play the last couple of seasons, the fact he was on an expiring deal, his age or just the asking price. Colorado also had to move on from Georgie so not only did they need to find a team that had a goaltender they felt fit the team, but they needed a team willing to take on the graveyard of a salary of Georgie knowing how toxic his reputation is with teammates.

Essentially Grier sold low because he didn't want to risk getting his second. Ironically it's the same as the Zetterlund trade. Grier just has a thing for second rounders.
The Sharks were also in a bad position because there weren’t a lot of buyers in the market for Blackwood. Blackwood was also not really an established goalie. You overestimate the value of that expiring contract just because you really dislike the player. His rep may be toxic but his contract isn’t.
 
The Sharks were also in a bad position because there weren’t a lot of buyers in the market for Blackwood. Blackwood was also not really an established goalie. You overestimate the value of that expiring contract just because you really dislike the player. His rep may be toxic but his contract isn’t.
So you don’t think Georgie’s contract had negative value?
 
It had marginal negative value. As in maybe a 3rd round pick at best. Blackwood was worth a 2nd at best. Adding Kovalenko covered the gap for taking on Georgiev.
That is fair although I do disagree on Blackwood’s value seeing as there were no other viable goalies on the market. I don’t think the lack of netminder movement was indicative of the lack of teams looking to upgrade because we all know there are numerous teams with goaltending woes. I think it’s because no other team saw what else was available as an upgrade. I do think there was a sizable market for Blackwood which is why Colorado got ahead of the game.
 
1) what happened to this dude? Once promising, he’s put together decent full seasons, but man.. I’m watching a replay of the game earlier, and that Protas goal- idk how he misplays Eller’s bid so badly, but Protas doesn’t even celebrate. Maybe that’s just Protas, but it’s got a “ya, wasn’t against a real goalie though” feel to it.
2) Big fan of what Grier has done overall, but is the goalie thing a bridge too far? Like- you had a respectable starter, and now you’re kinda dooming your team to play in a way where they can never trust their goalie. Never mind the arguments regarding purposely tanking- if they need to lose so bad, shit, I’ll play goalie. Georgiev approaches that level, right now, so you kinda gotta question what the actual line is. Buffalo organically didn’t have a goalie, you can criticize their tank for many other reasons, but actively seeking the worst goaltending possible- don’t like it, personally.
Tremendous athletic talent and ability, mental makeup of a 5-year-old. Also fundamentally some of the worst rebound control I've ever seen in a goalie in the NHL. Soooooo many shots would just bounce off his glove and weakly in front of him, creating a goalmouth scramble that usually resulted in it ending up in the back of the net. His ceiling is decently high, but the floor is the deepest level of hell.

To credit Grier, he didn't exactly target Georgiev for the tank specifically IMO. He merely extracted an extra price for taking on his retained salary. Mike Johnson of NHL Network basically said (and this is mostly his speculation but I think he's right) that the trade was straight-up Kovalenko for Blackwood, and the draft pick was for taking on Georgiev. I'm sure he was hoping for a rebound of sorts so that he could sell him off at the deadline for cheap but he's just fallen further in the tank.

I'd be surprised if he's in the NHL next year.
 
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That is fair although I do disagree on Blackwood’s value seeing as there were no other viable goalies on the market. I don’t think the lack of netminder movement was indicative of the lack of teams looking to upgrade because we all know there are numerous teams with goaltending woes. I think it’s because no other team saw what else was available as an upgrade. I do think there was a sizable market for Blackwood which is why Colorado got ahead of the game.
How was Blackwood more of a viable goalie? Before his heater to start this season with the Sharks, he was a replacement level 1B at best. He was never a dependable starter and never had great numbers. Why would that goalie be worth more than a 2nd? Teams may have had interest but weren’t willing to pay more than what they got. Even teams with goaltending issues didn’t think Blackwood was worth the asking price.
 
How was Blackwood more of a viable goalie? Before his heater to start this season with the Sharks, he was a replacement level 1B at best. He was never a dependable starter and never had great numbers. Why would that goalie be worth more than a 2nd? Teams may have had interest but weren’t willing to pay more than what they got. Even teams with goaltending issues didn’t think Blackwood was worth the asking price.
He was actually quite good in NJ before injuries derailed his momentum. He was simply fantastic for the Sharks last year, you can't honestly refute that. Colorado saw a continuation of that high level of play and pulled the plug before a market developed. They got ahead of it and he's basically been a top 5 NHL goalie since the trade.

Teams are desperate for competent goaltending, which is why Vegas locked up Hill at an overpay, why Chicago made Spencer Knight the centerpiece of a Seth Jones trade and why Detroit traded for yet another goaltender.

Also, do you know for a fact teams with goaltending issues didn't think blackwood was worth the asking price?
 
To credit Grier, he didn't exactly target Georgiev for the tank specifically IMO. He merely extracted an extra price for taking on his retained salary. Mike Johnson of NHL Network basically said (and this is mostly his speculation but I think he's right) that the trade was straight-up Kovalenko for Blackwood, and the draft pick was for taking on Georgiev. I'm sure he was hoping for a rebound of sorts so that he could sell him off at the deadline for cheap but he's just fallen further in the tank.
If this is true then it's a brutal return for Grier considering Blackwood is playing lights out and Kovalenko may not even have a job on the team next year.
 
Playing a struggling goalie is right out of the Tanking 101 playbook, and that team is tanking hard.

Someone spilled coffee on the page talking about what to do about goalies when tanking a long time ago. The coffee stain stayed because they keep photocopying it instead of printing new copies from the original manuscript. Grier looked at the page and its advice being covered up by a coffee stain, and decided that it was a sign from the gods. The conclusion he reached was a logical solution, but how he got there was because of seeing a sign from the gods in an old, photocopied coffee stain.

Who spilled the coffee? The answer to that question is lost in the currents of time.
 
I feel bad for the guy since he is really a great guy. Met him the season before he left to the US from Finland. Sad how its working out for him.
 
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He was actually quite good in NJ before injuries derailed his momentum. He was simply fantastic for the Sharks last year, you can't honestly refute that. Colorado saw a continuation of that high level of play and pulled the plug before a market developed. They got ahead of it and he's basically been a top 5 NHL goalie since the trade.

Teams are desperate for competent goaltending, which is why Vegas locked up Hill at an overpay, why Chicago made Spencer Knight the centerpiece of a Seth Jones trade and why Detroit traded for yet another goaltender.

Also, do you know for a fact teams with goaltending issues didn't think blackwood was worth the asking price?
Whatever you view as quite good in New Jersey still ended up with him starting 40+ times once and being above the average save percentage for the league twice before coming to San Jose. Saying he was simply fantastic for the Sharks last year is pretty much ignoring the bad games that he did have. At the end of the day, he was under the league average save percentage mark. He was 30th of 65 in goals saved above expected among goalies with 20 games last year. He had 17 games of his 41 starts that were under the .900 save percentage mark. He had some fantastic stretches of play but he also had some terrible ones and you can't just ignore that. Colorado made a reasonable gamble since they knew Georgiev was garbage and didn't have any better options. I can agree that teams are desperate for competent goaltending but it doesn't mean they're as desperate as you believe they ought to be. Just because teams are desperate, doesn't mean they're going to trade a 1st for Blackwood when he has a checkered past of being available and being consistent. We weren't trading an established starter here. The trade value reflected that. You seem to think they should've reset the market but without any evidence to support that.

As for your question, I'm only basing it off of Grier's words following the trade. I'm sure each team had its own asking price beyond the 2nd round pick. Colorado was the one that pulled the trigger on Grier's asking price for them. Doesn't seem like others did.
 

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