OT: Generational Players

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We should change the player ranking system to something like this

GOATs: Gretzky, Lemieux
The Myths: Ovechkin, Orr, Richard... people who did something really unique, out of this world
The Legends: Crosby, Roy, Bossy level
Generational: People who were special during their time
Franchise
Elites

We have 0 generational players on the team or pipeline. Accept the obvious truth.

Why would you discount Demidov?
 
We should change the player ranking system to something like this

GOATs: Gretzky, Lemieux
The Myths: Ovechkin, Orr, Richard... people who did something really unique, out of this world
The Legends: Crosby, Roy, Bossy level
Generational: People who were special during their time
Franchise
Elites



Why would you discount Demidov?
Because I'm pragmatic. There's two generational players in the NHL atm: McDavid and Makar. That's it.
 
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We should change the player ranking system to something like this

GOATs: Gretzky, Lemieux
The Myths: Ovechkin, Orr, Richard... people who did something really unique, out of this world
The Legends: Crosby, Roy, Bossy level
Generational: People who were special during their time
Franchise
Elites



Why would you discount Demidov?
Rocket Richard and Howe would be generational. The league had never seen anything like Richard before. He became the league’s all time points and goals leader. And then Howe did the same. Generational for sure.

Harvey also qualifies. Best defenseman in the league for a good decade. Revolutionized the position. Same with Bobby Orr.

Bobby Hull might qualify. He’s a top ten player. Guy Lafleur was borderline. Six straight 50/100 season had never been done.

Hasek I think is probably the greatest goalie ever and only got started around age 28.

I think the following players qualify: Richard, Howe, Harvey, Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Hasek, Ovechkin, Crosby, McDavid.

Borderline; Hull (would probably be universally considered generational if he didn’t jump to the WHA.) Lafleur, Bossy, Jagr, Lidstrom. There’s a special argument I’d make for Steve Yzerman as well - but I’ll make that in another post. He largely isn’t considered generational but there’s a case to be made that he should be.

Goalies are really tough to say. Ken Dryden has maybe the best resume of any player ever but he gets flack for being part of a superb team while his earlier accomplishments don’t garner enough credit. I would say Plante but every older i ever talked with said Terry Sawchuk. The numbers for goalies are so fight it’s tough to say. Personally, I think Patrick Roy is overrated but he’s considered by many to be the best ever.
 
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Rocket Richard and Howe would be generational. The league had never seen anything like Richard before. He became the league’s all time points and goals leader. And then Howe did the same. Generational for sure.

Harvey also qualifies. Best defenseman in the league for a good decade. Revolutionized the position. Same with Bobby Orr.

Bobby Hull might qualify. He’s a top ten player. Guy Lafleur was borderline. Six straight 50/100 season had never been done.

Hasek I think is probably the greatest goalie ever and only got started around age 28.

I think the following players qualify: Richard, Howe, Harvey, Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Hasek, Ovechkin, Crosby, McDavid.

Borderline; Hull (would probably be universally considered generational if he didn’t jump to the WHA.) Lafleur, Bossy, Jagr, Lidstrom. There’s a special argument I’d make for Steve Yzerman as well - but I’ll make that in another post. He largely isn’t considered generational but there’s a case to be made that he should be.

Goalies are really tough to say. Ken Dryden has maybe the best resume of any player ever but he gets flack for being part of a superb team while his earlier accomplishments don’t garner enough credit. I would say Plante but every older i ever talked with said Terry Sawchuk. The numbers for goalies are so fight it’s tough to say. Personally, I think Patrick Roy is overrated but he’s considered by many to be the best ever.
Solid! Same players as me in the Generational category. I bumped Lidstrom into it as well, and included Roy. I reached far back in time to include Howie Morenz and Newsy Lalonde. But no one is alive today to confirm those two!

Toyed with Jagr, Lafleur and Bossy, but they just didn't make it for me. I'm interested in your Yzerman argument, I see him down a level from Jagr, Lafleur and Bossy.....but would love to know.

The last piece.....is all the Russian greats before they started coming over. Any generational names we can pull out of there? Tretiak? Kharlamov?
 
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Solid! Same players as me in the Generational category. I bumped Lidstrom into it as well, and included Roy. I reached far back in time to include Howie Morenz and Newsy Lalonde. But no one is alive today to confirm those two!

Toyed with Jagr, Lafleur and Bossy, but they just didn't make it for me. I'm interested in your Yzerman argument, I see him down a level from Jagr, Lafleur and Bossy.....but would love to know.

The last piece.....is all the Russian greats before they started coming over. Any generational names we can pull out of there? Tretiak? Kharlamov?
If you’re going back that far, Morenz qualifies as does Eddie Shore.

I wrote out the interesting case of Yzerman a while back. I’ll find it and cut and paste. Very briefly though, he played in the shadow of two greats. Without them there he’d be the best player in hockey over a six year period. Not every year but over that time. He was insanely good and did it on horrible teams. Then he got hurt and was never really the same again.

I won’t argue he’s generational but take a look at him and Hasek. They’re in the same draft. Hasek is dominant for about six years in his career. By the time he gets started, Yzerman’s already had a HOF career and is just starting to win cups with those powerhouse clubs. Who would you rather have? I’d say Yzerman had the better career. Yzerman comes within like five goals in one season of cracking the 6 straight 50/100 club. Not only did he put up points, he was one of the best goal scorers in the league. That is Guy Lafleur like only he does it on horrible teams. His playoff resume isn’t close to as good during that time though.
 
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Solid! Same players as me in the Generational category. I bumped Lidstrom into it as well, and included Roy. I reached far back in time to include Howie Morenz and Newsy Lalonde. But no one is alive today to confirm those two!

Toyed with Jagr, Lafleur and Bossy, but they just didn't make it for me. I'm interested in your Yzerman argument, I see him down a level from Jagr, Lafleur and Bossy.....but would love to know.

The last piece.....is all the Russian greats before they started coming over. Any generational names we can pull out of there? Tretiak? Kharlamov?
Tretiak and Kharlamov easily, arguably Makarov also
 
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