General Off-Day Thread (complain about Nieto, etc. here)

[SEALBound]

I mean, I would feel better in that we tried something even if it didn't work. My main issue is we're not tanking, nor are we trying to ice the best team possible. It's just stupid.


Make sure it's in the right thread, wherever it is. Inconveniencing someone by making them skip a post is one of the worst crimes you can possibly commit on the internet.

What's the best team possible though? Are you suggesting that inserting Glass or Puljujarvi over Nieto and Acciari suddenly shifts the trajectory of the season or is this a deeper seeded "we didn't sell the farm for an all star player" type view?

 

[HandshakeLine]

What's the best team possible though? Are you suggesting that inserting Glass or Puljujarvi over Nieto and Acciari suddenly shifts the trajectory of the season or is this a deeper seeded "we didn't sell the farm for an all star player" type view?

The best possible team would not be icing guys who are expensive and play bad in favor of icing guys who are cheaper and play slightly less bad.

Complicated, I know.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Icing the worst possible team to tank would mean selling off Pettersson, Rust, and any other part of value and sticking the wasted youth of tomorrow from WB/S in their spots.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Petts, Puljujarvi, DOC, and Rakell in-season. Rust and EK off-season. Rebuild please. Sorry if Sid's gonna pout for a week before going back to his robotic self.

Oh shit, this is technically roster discussion. A hall monitor is gonna get pissed. Nevermind--uhhh, f*** Nieto, he sucks. Also fire Sullivan.

Whew.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Icing the worst possible team to tank would mean selling off Pettersson, Rust, and any other part of value and sticking the wasted youth of tomorrow from WB/S in their spots.

This should go in the Salary Cap thread.

 

[HandshakeLine]

This should go in the Salary Cap thread.

I'm not allowed to post there.

Oh shit, this is technically roster discussion. A hall monitor is gonna get pissed.

Troll? Stomped.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

If the Pens lost the Crosby lottery and got the 2nd pick... who would you have wanted them to pick? And who do you think Craig Patrick would've picked?

 

[Gurglesons]

If the Pens lost the Crosby lottery and got the 2nd pick... who would you have wanted them to pick? And who do you think Craig Patrick would've picked?

Bobby Ryan was the consensus number two, but obviously you want them to go Kopitar.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Bobby Ryan was the consensus number two, but obviously you want them to go Kopitar.

I tried asking Craig Patrick on Twitter but he never responded.

Whatever is listed on ESPN has Benoit Pouliot as #2:

Top Prospects -- NHL Central Scouting rankings

The top prospects, as ranked by NHL Central Scouting, for the 2005 NHL Entry Draft on Saturday in Ottawa

www.espn.com

Oh, found the TSN one:

TSN.ca - NHL - Canada's Sports Leader

Another for fun:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050912081349/https://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/columnist/woodlief/2005-07-08-red-line-report_x.htm

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Bobby Ryan was the consensus number two, but obviously you want them to go Kopitar.

Kopitar seems a little like a CP pick, actually.

But I'm betting he would have just gone safe/consensus after losing out on Crosby.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Also on a side note I'm glad CP was in charge for the 04 draft and not Ray Shero or we'd have yet another thing to all complain about.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Also on a side note I'm glad CP was in charge for the 04 draft and not Ray Shero or we'd have yet another thing to all complain about.

Cam Barker?

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Cam Barker?

More than likely I'd say, yes.

EDIT: American hero Blake Wheeler a good possibility, too.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Geno definitely the consensus number two in that draft by quite a bit. Hopefully Shero wasn't that dumb/stubborn.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Geno definitely the consensus number two in that draft by quite a bit. Hopefully Shero wasn't that dumb/stubborn.

Only by the end of the year. There was a lot of debate on that #2 slot leading up to that, But by the end of the season he had separated himself from the pack.

I would like to think that Shero would just go with it. But I learned a while ago that these guys often like to get way too clever for their own good and play up their own biases. Shit Ray Shero himself would prove this theorem just a few years later with his disaster draft in 2012.

 

[SomeDude]

Geno definitely the consensus number two in that draft by quite a bit. Hopefully Shero wasn't that dumb/stubborn.

Yeah, passing on Geno would have been Pouliot over Forsberg x1000 but I could honestly see Shero citing not knowing when he was coming over as a reason to draft a crappy PMD.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

For the hell of it (aka I don't want to do actual work), let's assume that they don't win the Crosby draft and settle for Bobby Ryan... They'd still suck for a bit and I'll also assume they still draft Staal. Without Crosby there'd be a lack of FA interest so no big names like Palffy, Recchi, Leclair, or Gonchar. They'd not make playoffs in 06-07 and would likely still be bottom 10. Let's just say they draft ... Sam Gagner?

So for 07-08 they'd have something like this:

Malone - Malkin - Sykora
Armstrong - Staal - Gagner
FA - Christensen - Kennedy
Ruutu - Talbot - FA
(Ryan in the AHL)

Whitney - Sydor
Orpik - Letang
Scuderi - FA
Eaton

Fleury
Conklin

Yeah, pretty sure they'd miss playoffs again. 08-09 SHOULD be better.

If anyone wants to do it with Kopitar instead of Ryan be my guest. Heck, maybe keep Morozov!

And let's be honest, they'd likely be in Kansas City or Hamilton.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

And let's be honest, they'd likely be in Kansas City or Hamilton.

I actually don't know about that. Wasn't that all revealed to be something of a bluff a few years ago? Then again the Jagr trade was SUPPOSED to be a bluff, too lol

Also yes I WOULD keep Morozov thankyouverymuch.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I actually don't know about that. Wasn't that all revealed to be something of a bluff a few years ago? Then again the Jagr trade was SUPPOSED to be a bluff, too lol

Also yes I WOULD keep Morozov thankyouverymuch.

I mean, Gary fought hard and long to keep the Coyotes in Arizona. So maybe they wouldn't have left immediately.

 

[SomeDude]

I actually don't know about that. Wasn't that all revealed to be something of a bluff a few years ago? Then again the Jagr trade was SUPPOSED to be a bluff, too lol

Also yes I WOULD keep Morozov thankyouverymuch.

I’m pretty sure that was just Mario saving face. Though, he really didn't need to. The franchise was still hemorrhaging money and no one should have begrudged him if he salvaged what he could. It would have still taken the city caving for an arena deal to get done and honestly I’m not sure that happens without the hype and optimism of Sid.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I’m pretty sure that was just Mario saving face. Though, he really didn't need to. The franchise was still hemorrhaging money and no one should have begrudged him if he salvaged what he could. It would have still taken the city caving for an arena deal to get done and honestly I’m not sure that happens without the hype and optimism of Sid.

Probably fair.

I FEEL like the team had enough history and success behind it that the league might have intervened on their behalf somehow as stated above. But that's far from a guarantee and seems awfully selective based on precedent. Atlanta sure didn't get the same shot that Arizona did, for example.

 

[SomeDude]

Probably fair.

I FEEL like the team had enough history and success behind it that the league might have intervened on their behalf somehow as stated above. But that's far from a guarantee and seems awfully selective based on precedent. Atlanta sure didn't get the same shot that Arizona did, for example.

Yea, it would have been really interesting to see an alternate universe where Sid ends up somewhere else.

My bet is Eric Meloche wouldn’t have been blocked from developing into a generational talent and we’re still here and have 11 straight cups.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Yea, it would have been really interesting to see an alternate universe where Sid ends up somewhere else.

My bet is Eric Meloche wouldn’t have been blocked from developing into a generational talent and we’re still here and have 11 straight cups.

Move aside and let Eric Meloche, Milan Kraft, Ric Jackman and Alexei Morozov cook.

 

[SEALBound]

Didn't Morozov elect to stay in Russia and play in the RSL over coming back to the NHL?

Hi presence could have altered the 05-06 and 06-07 seasons. By 08, we had a nice roster built.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Eric Meloche ended up being pretty good for me in NHL04 or whatever year that was.