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Machinehead said:
They have six men's titles and five women's titles. Either you make every PPV two nights, not every belt makes it to the PPV, or just don't have that many!

And out of those choices I certainly don't like the two-night PPV's. It's a bunch of glut fueled by matches that aren't important enough to main event Smackdown.

At least the first couple times they did a two-night Mania, they took a four-hour show and made them nice and trim. It has quickly devolved into two four-hour shows.
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I do agree there's too many titles. One of the many reasons why the brand split sucks. No problem with dropping some. Honestly, the biggest problem with the belts is lack of a good story or feud. So many times, someone wins the title and just sits with nothing happening, like Bron. Kills the point of the title.
 
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Machinehead said:
Yeah, it got to the point where the one-night Mania's were bad also for similar reasons.

But I would argue that these shows aren't any trimmer. They've just used the extra time to cram more ads in. In total, it was still close to seven hours of content and between the ads and the tv matches, I cared about like 10% of it.

I get the capitalist aspect of it, and don't get me started, but I just wish somebody cared about putting on a decent wrestling PPV without excess.

Tony Khan does the same shit with his one-night 19-match cards. Put some of the excess on television. It would make your tv watchable.
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Yeah I get where you're coming from. But when it comes to the almighty dollar in entertainment, broadcasting, and advertising, Quantity over Quality.

Otherwise we wouldn't have 3 hour TV shows. Everybody knows they suck, including the company heads.
 
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AtlantaWhaler said:
Leaving off any title from most PPV's just completely devalues them. I do agree that they need to be defended more, both on TV AND the PPV's.

What has killed off any value for all the titles not named the WHC is lack of good story telling/feuds. Bron hasn't had one meaningful feud since winning. LA had something going with the Bloodline, but that faded quickly. Tag titles haven't had any good story since last Mania.
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I would agree with the bolded about the US and IC titles, it hasn't helped. The WHC hasn't really had much in the way of good storytelling either. Gunther barely wrestled the remainder of 2024 after he won the belt.

Both men's tag titles have become afterthoughts but I'm not really digging any of the current tag teams on either Raw or SD. It wouldn't hurt them put a couple upper echelon guys together and chase one of the tag belts. If it was me their wouldn't be two sets of men's tag titles, just one for the men same as just one set for the women.
 
Machinehead said:
They can't have two world titles unless they adhere more strictly to the brand split, which they never do. That's literally the only reason to have two.

As it stands, it is just the top midcard belt, which devalues your actual midcard belts.

And all of the lower belts just feel like lower belts if they don't have some sort of different presentation.

They've gone more old school with the world title recently, only having it defended here and there. Ok, if you're gonna do that, put the other titles out there frequently.

Bron Breakker defended the IC title seven times in 181 days. You're just treating it as a lesser world title.
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All good points. Especially about the brand split, basically meaningless with so much cross-over. The IC and US titles should be defended much more often if the WWE and WHC will be defended fairly infrequently 7 or 8 times a year each.
 
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Having gone to both one and now two night WMs, I much prefer two nights over gutting out 7 hours at a time.

Also, I’m really starting to believe the rumors that Rock just shows up on a moment’s notice and the writers have to scramble to work around his spontaneous appearances. Seems like rock just isn’t commited to anything when he’s there.
 
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TheBeard said:
Having gone to both one and now two night WMs, I much prefer two nights over gutting out 7 hours at a time.

Also, I’m really starting to believe the rumors that Rock just shows up on a moment’s notice and the writers have to scramble to work around his spontaneous appearances. Seems like rock just isn’t commited to anything when he’s there.
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Dwayne is only committed to Dwayne.
 
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I'd also like to say when I'm watching wrestling, I don't care about his shenanigans outside the ring. Logan Paul is a good wrestler and one of my favorites.

The Paulverizer may be one of the best finishers in the game today.
 
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TheBeard said:
Having gone to both one and now two night WMs, I much prefer two nights over gutting out 7 hours at a time.

Also, I’m really starting to believe the rumors that Rock just shows up on a moment’s notice and the writers have to scramble to work around his spontaneous appearances. Seems like rock just isn’t commited to anything when he’s there.
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There was one Wrestlemania, I think the year Shane went off the cell against the Undertaker that felt like it went from 4pm to 1am. I was working a 10a-10p shift doing a major software install at a hospital and I stayed around after my shift so I could watch Mania. I ended up leaving because it just dragged on and on.

The Rock overstayed his welcome a very long time ago.
JTToilinginToronto said:
I'd also like to say when I'm watching wrestling, I don't care about his shenanigans outside the ring. Logan Paul is a good wrestler and one of my favorites.

The Paulverizer may be one of the best finishers in the game today.
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I think he's fine for what he is; an athletic douche canoe that is really easy to dislike. He's the perfect mid card heel. I have no problem with his usage.
 
dahrougem2 said:
I think Logan Paul has legit heat not go away heat where people want to see him get beat up by a babyface but realize he's a great athlete/wrestler.
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Feel like the only person right now with legit Go Away heat is Charlotte.

Paul is like a "We think you're a legit douche bag but appreciate the effort and will pay to see you lose" heat, as you mentioned.

And then there's a few guys like Dom, where the audience appreciates the performance and knows he's a good person for real that they'll "Support" him by playing along with the act.
 
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Jussi said:
Yeah, he's the "we know you're a douche bag but recognize the work you put in-ring and how frustratingly good you're at it." :laugh:
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People appreciate hard work. A ton of douchebags have come and gone in WWE over the years but if you make it look like you give a damn as Paul clearly does, the crowd will treat you right.

I hope the next time Dwayne shows up the entire crowd is silent.
 
FriendlyGhost92 said:
Feel like the only person right now with legit Go Away heat is Charlotte.

Paul is like a "We think you're a legit douche bag but appreciate the effort and will pay to see you lose" heat, as you mentioned.

And then there's a few guys like Dom, where the audience appreciates the performance and knows he's a good person for real that they'll "Support" him by playing along with the act.
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I'll be honest. Most of the faces got major heat at the event. Not sure how it played off on TV, but the moment someone becomes stale the crowd turns fast. I'd say the loudest boos in the stadium were for Charlotte, Bianca and Cody. The most mixed reactions were for Dirty Dom and Logan.
 
dahrougem2 said:
People appreciate hard work. A ton of douchebags have come and gone in WWE over the years but if you make it look like you give a damn as Paul clearly does, the crowd will treat you right.

I hope the next time Dwayne shows up the entire crowd is silent.
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Problem with Logan is at the end of the day he just doesn't have the experience to understand real ring psychology. He gets what antics he needs to do to get a heel reaction and he's athletic in the ring. The whole concept of "not paying dues" actually makes sense because until you've learned how to win over a crowd of 30 people who don't give a shit about wrestling in a bar somewhere in a makeshift ring with low ceilings, you're not gonna know the little nuances it takes to sell a story. Instead, he's intent on creating moments with instant gratification instead of understanding the concept of payoff.
 
TheBeard said:
I'll be honest. Most of the faces got major heat at the event. Not sure how it played off on TV, but the moment someone becomes stale the crowd turns fast. I'd say the loudest boos in the stadium were for Charlotte, Bianca and Cody. The most mixed reactions were for Dirty Dom and Logan.
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Isn't Bianca essentially a heel at this point?
 
TheBeard said:
I'll be honest. Most of the faces got major heat at the event. Not sure how it played off on TV, but the moment someone becomes stale the crowd turns fast. I'd say the loudest boos in the stadium were for Charlotte, Bianca and Cody. The most mixed reactions were for Dirty Dom and Logan.
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Bianca is stale as a babyface but it also doesn't help that she was going against Rhea. IYO sees to be getting some crowd following as well just as the underappreciated talent.
 
FriendlyGhost92 said:
Bianca is stale as a babyface but it also doesn't help that she was going against Rhea. IYO sees to be getting some crowd following as well just as the underappreciated talent.
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I mean it happened to Cena and it's happened to Cody like 5 times. I don't want to say it's arrogance, but they're so convinced their character is a superhero that they feel no need to pivot and adjust. I would say Bianca is going to eventually go back to her ways as a heel like she was in NXT. Frankly, the decision to have Naomi be the one that turned on Jade looked dumb in hindsight even though I do dig Naomi's heel work. I think a Bianca Jade feud would have been fantastic, but instead we got a very obvious result and Bianca now stuck in no-man's land.
 
TheBeard said:
I mean it happened to Cena and it's happened to Cody like 5 times. I don't want to say it's arrogance, but they're so convinced their character is a superhero that they feel no need to pivot and adjust. I would say Bianca is going to eventually go back to her ways as a heel like she was in NXT. Frankly, the decision to have Naomi be the one that turned on Jade looked dumb in hindsight even though I do dig Naomi's heel work. I think a Bianca Jade feud would have been fantastic, but instead we got a very obvious result and Bianca now stuck in no-man's land.
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Cena was a Vince problem. They'd never turn him heel because he was on an island by himself in terms of stardom and drawing power... But he was also on that island because they never put anybody over him.

Cody I could see going heel eventually just because their business doesn't revolve around him nearly as much.
 
I turned the show on after the Sens game, and it was in the middle of the Austin promo. After the promo, when Nick Khan was at ringside and Austin went to where Khan was, I assumed he was there to kiss the ring of the Saudi Princes who secretly own the company, but apparently Steve Austin got a bit too yucky before his entrance and crashed into a lady with his ATV, and Khan ran out to do damage control.
 
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FriendlyGhost92 said:
Feel like the only person right now with legit Go Away heat is Charlotte.

Paul is like a "We think you're a legit douche bag but appreciate the effort and will pay to see you lose" heat, as you mentioned.

And then there's a few guys like Dom, where the audience appreciates the performance and knows he's a good person for real that they'll "Support" him by playing along with the act.
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Dom is the best heel in the business. Has been for a while. Which is really weird to say but it’s absolutely correct.
 
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