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TheBeard said:
Problem with Logan is at the end of the day he just doesn't have the experience to understand real ring psychology. He gets what antics he needs to do to get a heel reaction and he's athletic in the ring. The whole concept of "not paying dues" actually makes sense because until you've learned how to win over a crowd of 30 people who don't give a shit about wrestling in a bar somewhere in a makeshift ring with low ceilings, you're not gonna know the little nuances it takes to sell a story. Instead, he's intent on creating moments with instant gratification instead of understanding the concept of payoff.
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I’m other words, exactly what WWE has asked of him. He’s been very good in his role. An easy guy to hate and capable of putting on a show here and there. Ima huge fan of AJ, but the match last night just never clicked unfortunately.
 
Machinehead said:
They can't have two world titles unless they adhere more strictly to the brand split, which they never do. That's literally the only reason to have two.

As it stands, it is just the top midcard belt, which devalues your actual midcard belts.

And all of the lower belts just feel like lower belts if they don't have some sort of different presentation.

They've gone more old school with the world title recently, only having it defended here and there. Ok, if you're gonna do that, put the other titles out there frequently.

Bron Breakker defended the IC title seven times in 181 days. You're just treating it as a lesser world title.
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I agree with you. They don't actually have two World titles. The title that the Yeet guy won is called a "World" title, but it isn't positioned as one and I assume nobody views it as such. It would be like saying Chris Benoit was World Champion in 2000 when he held the IC title. They seem to be positioned similarly.

The purpose back in the day for two "World" titles was because House Shows were big business, and they felt having a "World" title match on a house show actually still mattered in the 2000s. They did eventually go with split brand PPVs for a series of time, but if I recall live events were the logical reasont to originally have two champions. I don't think they do House Shows anymore on anywhere near the same basis assuming they do them at all.

I don't think it has ever worked in WWE. It was always very similar to how the TNT or whatever the titles are called in AEW now were treated. Where you'd go a year with the title not mattering because a scrub holds it, then they would put it on the Undertaker and it would be a World title again. This was usually with the title on Smackdown.

I get that shows like WrestleMania are built on "supercards" and historically there have been attractions pushed bigger than the world title (McMahon/Hogan, Undertakers streak, etc) - but it's comical how the secondary World title is often 4th, 5th or worse from the top when you line up the positioning of the top matches. I don't watch Raw or Smackdown, but I assume Yeet guys world title program wasn't the A story on whatever show he is on.

Fans aren't dumb, so they can perceive when a guy is actually positioned as a top guy and when it's a fake top guy where they have Michael Cole say YEETGUY IS AT THE TOP OF THE BUSINESS but the show revolves around what Paul Heyman ate for lunch, and Yeetguy is running away from Kane in his first post WrestleMania program.

If they are invested in Yeetguy, he should have closed night 2 with the win. If he is not a real top guy, which is what it seems like, then whatever. The problem is that they had two main events with run ins and shocking finishes like they were running the ECW arena in 1995, and you obviously can't do the Heyman turn in the middle of the card and follow it up with basically a midcard title win (Yeetguy winning).
 
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TD Charlie said:
Dom is the best heel in the business. Has been for a while. Which is really weird to say but it’s absolutely correct.
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It's still hilarious to me that the son of a 30 year babyface sucked ass in the babyface role and nearly looked hopeless... And then switches heel at takes off as one of the best in the business.

And it's not even because he's a legitimate heel. Everybody knows he's a decent guy and his kayfabe moments are painfully tongue-in-cheek. He's just spectacular at being a make-believe chicken shit, bratty kid.
 
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Machinehead said:
Cena and Rhodes was dead on arrival. It never made any sense or had any narrative weight to it.

It was thrown together to do that one swerve. That one moment did numbers on social media so they got all they wanted.
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I never got the dynamic of Cena breaking the record as a heel. Or, of him going face vs face against Cody to break the record.

I don't know that a face Cena going for the 17th title against a heel champion would have caught on either, but it makes a lot more sense to me. They would still have had the heel turn in their back pocket.
 
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frightenedinmatenum2 said:
I agree with you. They don't actually have two World titles. The title that the Yeet guy won is called a "World" title, but it isn't positioned as one and I assume nobody views it as such. It would be like saying Chris Benoit was World Champion in 2000 when he held the IC title. They seem to be positioned similarly.

The purpose back in the day for two "World" titles was because House Shows were big business, and they felt having a "World" title match on a house show actually still mattered in the 2000s. They did eventually go with split brand PPVs for a series of time, but if I recall live events were the logical reasont to originally have two champions. I don't think they do House Shows anymore on anywhere near the same basis assuming they do them at all.

I don't think it has ever worked in WWE. It was always very similar to how the TNT or whatever the titles are called in AEW now were treated. Where you'd go a year with the title not mattering because a scrub holds it, then they would put it on the Undertaker and it would be a World title again. This was usually with the title on Smackdown.

I get that shows like WrestleMania are built on "supercards" and historically there have been attractions pushed bigger than the world title (McMahon/Hogan, Undertakers streak, etc) - but it's comical how the secondary World title is often 4th, 5th or worse from the top when you line up the positioning of the top matches. I don't watch Raw or Smackdown, but I assume Yeet guys world title program wasn't the A story on whatever show he is on.

Fans aren't dumb, so they can perceive when a guy is actually positioned as a top guy and when it's a fake top guy where they have Michael Cole say YEETGUY IS AT THE TOP OF THE BUSINESS but the show revolves around what Paul Heyman ate for lunch, and Yeetguy is running away from Kane in his first post WrestleMania program.

If they are invested in Yeetguy, he should have closed night 2 with the win. If he is not a real top guy, which is what it seems like, then whatever. The problem is that they had two main events with run ins and shocking finishes like they were running the ECW arena in 1995, and you obviously can't do the Heyman turn in the middle of the card and follow it up with basically a midcard title win (Yeetguy winning).
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Presentation is a huge problem, even beyond the issue of having two belts.

CM Punk definitely held the top belt in the company, and did so for like 500 days. He still never felt like the top guy. Kofi Kingston won the top belt in the company and I don't think he defended it in a PPV main event once.

If you're gonna have a guy win, you gotta be ready to commit to him in most of the main events. If not, then just have him win the IC belt!
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
I never got the dynamic of Cena breaking the record as a heel. Or, of him going face vs face against Cody to break the record.

I don't know that a face Cena going for the 17th title against a heel champion would have caught on either, but it makes a lot more sense to me. They would still have had the heel turn in their back pocket.
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The only angle that really made any sense was that he needs to beat Ric Flair. It consumes him. He pursues it as a face and comes up short, leading to the inevitable turn on the night of Wrestlemania. None of the buildup was really about the record. It was about Cena being mad over a meme. It was really poorly told.

It also doesn't help that Cena is on record as not caring about the 17th title IRL and hadn't pursued it in a decade, so at the end of the day, they probably just should have let that lie and did something different with him.

It was a monumental moment that somehow felt like an afterthought.
 
Blitzkrug said:
Travis Scott performed at Coachella the night before and still found time to hop his ass on a plane and get to Vegas.

The f*** is Dwayne's excuse?
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Who knows where The Rock is currently filming.
 
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FriendlyGhost92 said:
It's still hilarious to me that the son of a 30 year babyface sucked ass in the babyface role and nearly looked hopeless... And then switches heel at takes off as one of the best in the business.

And it's not even because he's a legitimate heel. Everybody knows he's a decent guy and his kayfabe moments are painfully tongue-in-cheek. He's just spectacular at being a make-believe chicken shit, bratty kid.
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I also appreciated his willingness to take risks and throw himself around when he was working babyface. Even when the character sucked he was still trying to get over in the ring, rather than just relying on the name.

Love that he leaned into the lanky string bean looking kid. It helps the gimmick along beautifully.
 
TD Charlie said:
I’m other words, exactly what WWE has asked of him. He’s been very good in his role. An easy guy to hate and capable of putting on a show here and there. Ima huge fan of AJ, but the match last night just never clicked unfortunately.
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That's not the same as what WWE asked of him. What Logan needs to be a good storyteller is honestly something he can never get - the grind. The understanding of how to sell a match versus how to sell his appearance. I can respect the work he's put it and what he can do in his ring, but i'll never ever watch a match of his and say, "wow".
 
TheBeard said:
That's not the same as what WWE asked of him. What Logan needs to be a good storyteller is honestly something he can never get - the grind. The understanding of how to sell a match versus how to sell his appearance. I can respect the work he's put it and what he can do in his ring, but i'll never ever watch a match of his and say, "wow".
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It most certainly is what they've asked of him. He's not the every day guy. He's a special attraction just there for clicks and social media engagement. It has worked out extremely well for both parties.
 
FriendlyGhost92 said:
Cena was a Vince problem. They'd never turn him heel because he was on an island by himself in terms of stardom and drawing power... But he was also on that island because they never put anybody over him.

Cody I could see going heel eventually just because their business doesn't revolve around him nearly as much.
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It's weird to say but they're kinda screwed with Cody. They gonna have him chase again? His gimmick is Hulk Hogan-like in the 80s where he's just portraying this super duper good guy who loves the business and the fans yada yada. Kinda like what Cena was for all those years. The problem is Cody has already gone heal in the past.
 
TD Charlie said:
It most certainly is what they've asked of him. He's not the every day guy. He's a special attraction just there for clicks and social media engagement. It has worked out extremely well for both parties.
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It has, and I suppose it works for them, but most wrestling fans won't really accept his matches as anything but spots and clicks. Watch this Kross promo from last night (or today). He was spot on with everything he said.
 
WM predictably fell flat. IC Title match was good. Stone Cold drunk off his ass was funny. Everything else was meh at best.

Forget The Rock completely for a second, Travis Scott shouldn't be a key figure and interfering in the Main Event of Wrestlemania regardless of reasoning.
 
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Big Poppa Puck said:
WM predictably fell flat. IC Title match was good. Stone Cold drunk off his ass was funny. Everything else was meh at best.

Forget The Rock completely for a second, Travis Scott shouldn't be a key figure and interfering in the Main Event of Wrestlemania regardless of reasoning.
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HHH and his willingness to bend over backwards for appeal and money is very much like Vince in the PG era.
 
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TheBeard said:
It has, and I suppose it works for them, but most wrestling fans won't really accept his matches as anything but spots and clicks. Watch this Kross promo from last night (or today). He was spot on with everything he said.
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I don't think Kross is wrong

But Logan Paul isn't the problem. He's just a symptom.

I still think Paul has been mostly entertaining with what he's been given for TV time.
 
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I look at Logan Paul and the only thing I see is a walking advertisement, which I guess is appropriate for today's WWE because they have become a walking advertisement. I'm sure he is talented in the Ring and I have seen some good performances from him, but I can't get past the idea that he is only there to sell things and is taking up spots from other talent on the roster. It's kind of like my feeling on Travis Scott last night. I could get behind a Cena win, but do it in a way that utilizes the WWE Roster and it makes sense. Using someone whose only connection to WWE is the current theme song for your event just takes me out of the entire match and makes for a very negative reaction.
 
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Can someone explain the origins of Yeet to me?

Is it a word he made up and just stared saying and people liked it so he became Yeetguy?

I remember him having something two or three years ago where it felt like he has potential to get over during the Sami soap opera. But is it like he was almost there and becoming Yeetguy put him over the top?

Was there a memorable segment or did he just start saying Yeet randomly?
 
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