Post-Game Talk: Garbage Refs can't stop the Jets, 5-4 winners in OT

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gojetsgo

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I mean the governing body of Hockey in Canada also agrees with me on player safety....


"The official continues to assume the role of being in charge of the overall environment; however, the safety person takes over with respect to executing the Emergency Action Plan (EAP) and in making decisions around the injured player.

In a situation where a player is injured on the ice, the following are the responsibilities of the game officials:

  • Once the injured player’s team takes possession of the puck, the referee blows down the play. If the injury is deemed serious by the referee, they may blow down the play immediately"

Hellebuyck's injury obviously wasn't that serious seeing as he stayed in the game. And the play wasn't blown dead as the referee did not believe Hellebuyck was at anymore risk laying on the ice covering his head with his glove and no one else was near him for a potential "skate" injury.
now you are just taking a totally different rule to try to say it should count....
 

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I mean the governing body of Hockey in Canada also agrees with me on player safety....


"The official continues to assume the role of being in charge of the overall environment; however, the safety person takes over with respect to executing the Emergency Action Plan (EAP) and in making decisions around the injured player.

In a situation where a player is injured on the ice, the following are the responsibilities of the game officials:

  • Once the injured player’s team takes possession of the puck, the referee blows down the play. If the injury is deemed serious by the referee, they may blow down the play immediately"

Hellebuyck's injury obviously wasn't that serious seeing as he stayed in the game. And the play wasn't blown dead as the referee did not believe Hellebuyck was at anymore risk laying on the ice covering his head with his glove and no one else was near him for a potential "skate" injury.
Don’t avoid the question. Clearly you don’t give a rats ass or are just ignorant to it.
 

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Can we ban this troll from our board?

Ah yes....ban me for having the same view of the play as the refs (who are professionals making $200,000 plus in the NHL) as well as the experts in the situation room that reviewed the play.
 

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I mean the governing body of Hockey in Canada also agrees with me on player safety....


"The official continues to assume the role of being in charge of the overall environment; however, the safety person takes over with respect to executing the Emergency Action Plan (EAP) and in making decisions around the injured player.

In a situation where a player is injured on the ice, the following are the responsibilities of the game officials:

  • Once the injured player’s team takes possession of the puck, the referee blows down the play. If the injury is deemed serious by the referee, they may blow down the play immediately"

Hellebuyck's injury obviously wasn't that serious seeing as he stayed in the game. And the play wasn't blown dead as the referee did not believe Hellebuyck was at anymore risk laying on the ice covering his head with his glove and no one else was near him for a potential "skate" injury.

If you think there was anything "safety" related to that call, you might want to try explaining it - because there was nothing Safe about that call regardless of what the governing body might have written.

Sometimes, as a fan, you need to think outside the box
 

oldunclehue

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you quoted an entirely different rule lol....

It's the same rule in the NHL....I was posting it as he accused me of not caring for player safety....when clearly Hockey Canada...the governing body of HOCKEY in our country's has the same view.
 

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Because its a free world. I do still watch hockey, I just don't cheer for them.

I get fans are mad about it, but its the interpretation of immediate.

- Not all plays are blown dead for an injury. Rules state that the play is only blown dead once the injured players team has possession of the puck or its an egregious injury.

- Immediate is the issue here....what is an immediate scoring oppourtunity. Is it 1 second, is it 5 seconds?

I have no skin in the game, but if this was the other way around, Jets fans would be quoting the rules and saying the goal should count.

Helle was at minimal risk....the puck was in Dallas's possession, and their was a scoring opportunity. Also the goalie interference was caused by a Jets player. I don't doubt Benn would of touched Helle going around the net, but the push/lean caused him to hit the goalie much worse. Had Morrissey not touched him, the goal wouldn't of counted based upon Benn hitting Helle on his own.

Wins a Win....move on.
Yeah take your own advice move on. Also quoting hockey Canada the party in trouble for turning a blind eye to inappropriate coaches.
 
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oldunclehue

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He was not safe as soon as he got back on his feet and tried to play. That's why he didn't do that. Mask off, play stops.

that rule has zero to do with the play... either you are trolling or just incredibly...

Explain to me how this rule has nothing to do with the play?

1. Player was on ice injured (the NHL rulebook does not distinguish this in rulebook as Skater or goalie, simply as PLAYER)
2. The helmet came off. we do not know if the refs saw that at this time, but clearly the rule states if the opposing team has possession of the puck and an immediate scoring chance, then the play continues.
3. With Helle down, the Stars have control of the puck, the player puts the puck infront of the net....thats a scoring chance. the nets WIDE open.
4. Morrissey pushing Benn into the goalie is cause of the whole issue.

THE ONLY ISSUE I HAVE IS DEFINITION of immediate....who decided that? The refs and situation room did on this one and decided it fit the bill.

How am I trolling? Because I don't agree with the Jets fans here? I don't get why thats trolling...

Definition of troll:

In slang, a troll is a person who posts or makes inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages online.
 

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Explain to me how this rule has nothing to do with the play?

1. Player was on ice injured (the NHL rulebook does not distinguish this in rulebook as Skater or goalie, simply as PLAYER)
2. The helmet came off. we do not know if the refs saw that at this time, but clearly the rule states if the opposing team has possession of the puck and an immediate scoring chance, then the play continues.
3. With Helle down, the Stars have control of the puck, the player puts the puck infront of the net....thats a scoring chance. the nets WIDE open.
4. Morrissey pushing Benn into the goalie is cause of the whole issue.

THE ONLY ISSUE I HAVE IS DEFINITION of immediate....who decided that? The refs and situation room did on this one and decided it fit the bill.

How am I trolling? Because I don't agree with the Jets fans here? I don't get why thats trolling...

Definition of troll:

In slang, a troll is a person who posts or makes inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages online.
because the rule you posted was about an injured player... not the rule about his helmet coming off....
 

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because the rule you posted was about an injured player... not the rule about his helmet coming off....
But the rulebook says that if the helmet comes off and the puck is in the opposing teams possession and an immediate scoring chance is there....they don't blow it.

Again....the debate should be about who decided it was immediate. I'd say it was in my mind because it was quick from back of the net to Robertson and in the net. The NHL agreed with that as well and counted it.

The RULE is clear on the helmet coming off.....where you don't agree is whether or not this was an immediate scoring chance. The NHL decided it was. So why is that an issue?

There is no rule on if a goalie is at RISK of an injury based around this rule. Quote me anywhere in the rulebook that shows the play should be blown dead based on RISK of an injury...

Rule 9.6 of the NHL rulebook:

“When a goalkeeper has lost his helmet and/or face mask and his team has possession of the puck, the play shall be stopped immediately to allow the goalkeeper the opportunity to regain his helmet and/or face mask. When the opposing team has possession of the puck, play shall only be stopped if there is no immediate and impending scoring opportunity. This stoppage of play must be made by the Referee. When play is stopped because the goalkeeper has lost his helmet and/or face mask, the ensuing face-off shall take place at one of the defending team’s end zone face-off spots."

Immediate or IMPENDING..... definition: (of an event regarded as threatening or significant) about to happen; forthcoming.

So is 3-4 seconds after the helmet off "about to happen, or forthcoming"
 

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But the rulebook says that if the helmet comes off and the puck is in the opposing teams possession and an immediate scoring chance is there....they don't blow it.

Again....the debate should be about who decided it was immediate. I'd say it was in my mind because it was quick from back of the net to Robertson and in the net. The NHL agreed with that as well and counted it.

The RULE is clear on the helmet coming off.....where you don't agree is whether or not this was an immediate scoring chance. The NHL decided it was. So why is that an issue?

There is no rule on if a goalie is at RISK of an injury based around this rule. Quote me anywhere in the rulebook that shows the play should be blown dead based on RISK of an injury...
Someone go to the New York board next time they don’t like a call even if “it’s in the rule book”.
 
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