GDT: Game 8: Seattle Kraken @ Arizona Coyotes | 11/6/21 19:00 UTC-7:00 | BSAZ+

[Jakey53]

You probably got the good drugs when you were pretending to be Turbo Man on ice for your son.

Skating is fun, but it really is dangerous for the inexperienced. I looks so damn easy. rt, while in pain now, will have a funny story to tell all his friends, and after a few drinks rt will probably exaggerate how and what happened.

 

[rt]

Skating is fun, but it really is dangerous for the inexperienced. I looks so damn easy. rt, while in pain now, will have a funny story to tell all his friends, and after a few drinks rt will probably exaggerate how and what happened.

My skating is fine for public free skate. Lol. No issues there. I’m not like shaking or unsure or anything. I can skate fine, frontwards backwards, whatever. Totally passable. No worries.

My problem was my four year old was under me and got tangled up with me. Rather than squash him, I stupidly leaped way clear of him (big overreaction) and landed on my hip.

I’m not terribly tall (6’1”) and I’m not terribly fat (210lbs) and I’m not terribly old (36). It was just a freak thing. It snapped LOUDLY like a piece of kindling for the fire. And it was vertical, way high up the femur into the hip. Like 3+ inch break. Which is way more than you’d expect from someone falling just from a standing position. Doesn’t really make sense.

Kinda a freak thing. In retrospect I should’ve grabbed him, and pulled him back onto me, and just taken a seat. But I made the wrong choice and overreacted. Oh well. What’s a $10,000 mistake between friends? Haha.

Anyway, my skating days are done. I only went with the kids anyway. Not for myself. And they’ve been taking lessons and won’t need me by the time I’m healed anyway. Haha.

 

[rt]

You probably got the good drugs when you were pretending to be Turbo Man on ice for your son.

Haha. I don’t know what Turbo Man is but I don’t think those kinds of drugs make you grouchy. More like happy. Haha.

 

[XX]

We're going to have to disagree about this, though. To be clear I am going to / watching the home games only this year, and only watching parts of the away ones when I have time (sometimes on radio). So, I can't talk about what Hayton did in Carolina. But for last game only, Hayton badly lost every 1-1 battle whether it was a puck battle or physically jostling people around, other than faceoffs which like I said doesn't make any sense to me. And it wasn't due to lack of effort, he tried every time and wasn't able to win any of them.

I'm not really seeing this, like rt. Hayton is one of the best guys on the team at using his body to help strip the puck away, which is why he is second on the team in takeaways per 60.

You also have to factor in that he might be losing battles someone else might not even try ala Schmaltz, Kessel or whatever. If he is losing battles then it's not really ending up in the net, because he has the 2nd highest on ice SV% on the team. He's 2nd in scoring chances for per 60 among forwards as well. His problem is that he is dead last on the team in terms of shots per 60. Hayton is somehow shooting about half as much as someone like Beagle. Hard to put up points in the top 6 doing that.

This player represents a sunk cost. He has no trade value, and it doesn't matter to the long term plan that he be some kind of franchise player. I've been happy so far and he is getting better every game.

 

[RemoAZ]

Haha. I don’t know what Turbo Man is but I don’t think those kinds of drugs make you grouchy. More like happy. Haha.

OMG you don't know what Turbo Man is? Only one of the greatest Christmas movies of all time!! Put it on the list to watch this year with your kids.

 

[rt]

OMG you don't know what Turbo Man is? Only one of the greatest Christmas movies of all time!! Put it on the list to watch this year with your kids.

Never heard of it. I’ll have to remember this for next month! Thanks!

 

[RemoAZ]

Never heard of it. I’ll have to remember this for next month! Thanks!

Seriously. You should check it out especially since you have a young son.

 

[Summer Rose]

Haha. I don’t know what Turbo Man is but I don’t think those kinds of drugs make you grouchy. More like happy. Haha.

Are you on opioids? Those just knock me the f*** out and make me wake up with what feels like a hangover. Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike just getting drunk.

 

[rt]

Are you on opioids? Those just knock me the f*** out and make me wake up with what feels like a hangover. Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike just getting drunk.

I was. But I'm not now. They've always worked really well for me for pain management and don't make me drowsy or loopy. I can't tolerate most drugs people do for fun. Not even THC. Not even a little. None of it. But I've always been able to handle opioids just fine, and am usually very grateful to have them if I'm injured enough to actually need them.

 

[PainForShane]

I'm not really seeing this, like rt. Hayton is one of the best guys on the team at using his body to help strip the puck away, which is why he is second on the team in takeaways per 60.

You also have to factor in that he might be losing battles someone else might not even try ala Schmaltz, Kessel or whatever. If he is losing battles then it's not really ending up in the net, because he has the 2nd highest on ice SV% on the team. He's 2nd in scoring chances for per 60 among forwards as well. His problem is that he is dead last on the team in terms of shots per 60. Hayton is somehow shooting about half as much as someone like Beagle. Hard to put up points in the top 6 doing that.

This player represents a sunk cost. He has no trade value, and it doesn't matter to the long term plan that he be some kind of franchise player. I've been happy so far and he is getting better every game.

These arguments make even less sense than your arguments usually do. Yes, Hayton is #2 on the team in takeaways per 60 but if you considered the data before posting you'd see Hayton doesn't even average one takeaway per game (Hayton plays 15 minutes a game, 2.66 takeaways per 60 is 2.66 / 4 or .66 of a takeaway per game). And I don't know that takeaways necessarily measure physical strength anyway, I mean maybe they do but someone like Datsyuk led the league in takeaways for however many years, no one ever confused him with Eric Lindros or Chris Pronger.

NST link in case anyone else likes poking around:
Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

To be clear I'm not slamming Hayton, I'm saying at this stage he's a mixed bag (which is understandable given he's still young). Offensively creative (incl setting a perfect screen on Phil's goal last game), good on faceoffs etc. I am also saying that during the game against Seattle, other than faceoffs I saw him lose every physical / 1-1 battle which was not great to see -- and if he gets better than what I saw last game, he would be more effective in the future.

My 1-1 battle statement seems controversial so I will pay more attention next game. Hopefully he does better than what I saw him do against Seattle!

 

[Sm00chy]

Give me a break. I have watched the Coyotes for 20 yrs. and in those years have spent thousands of dollars going to games, buying merch etc. No one, including you can tell me when I can leave, or when I can or should come back. I, like the rest of the Coyote fans have endured years watching, and hoping that the next game, the next year will be better, only to get kicked in the balls again.

Comes with being a sports fan in general. I am a fan from the beginning and will always be a fan. It’s all part of the ride bud. Highs and lows. It’s why I love it. That’s just me personally tho

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Years past we always had reasons for crappy teams, and for the most part the GM and coach did the best they could, especially in the DM and Tip era. But now, I don't agree 100% in what they are doing and I'm not finding it fun to spend so much time watching losing hockey, so I decided to wait and see what transpires. I don't think trading four of your six best players in one off season is a recipe for success. Not only that, three of those were drafted and developed by the Coyotes. What makes matters worse, we never received any young proven NHL player in those deals other than Timmins, and he is hardly proven. Draft picks might be fun to have in a fantasy league, but as we all know the draft is a crap shoot. Maybe I'm wrong, but I will wait to be proven wrong, at the Coyote's expense, not mine.

Reason hasn’t changed, just the method. I happen to agree with your logic, for the most part, but I like hockey, want it to stay here and don’t think it’s time to abandon ship. If I were living paycheck to paycheck I wouldn’t have tickets anyway. I don’t think you’re hurting for cash either…. This teams always been one of my favorite charities

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Just my opinion, but this is a bad take. I'm not saying you have to spend a ton of money on tickets and merch when they're a garbage team, but "It's ok to take a few years off and then come back when..."? No way, man. That's trash. If you don't endure the bad times, you shouldn't get to enjoy the (potentially) good times. Treat it like a marriage; if it's so bad that you can't stomach it anymore, then call it quits and be done with it, and don't look at their social media accounts after the divorce. And don't come crawling back after they've had counseling and lost some weight, either.

Yep, don’t come here and spew venom either. Don’t show up at the games not knowing how/where to park, how to find your seat, causing delays to the flow of normalcy and tempering a good time for real fans.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

We can agree to disagree on this one. Technically you're right, but prior to last game our biggest problem is we couldn't score (14 goals in 11 games not including SEA), and Roussel and O'Brien have similar skillsets physically. So, yes while you are right, I view it more as O'Brien and Roussel going for 1 roster spot even though they were both in the lineup for *looks it up* 5 games before that (am surprised) where we scored only 3 goals total (am not as surprised). If we need more scoring (which we do), I don't mind having only one of Roussel or O'Brien in the lineup, especially we're not getting pushed around physically like we've been the past few years.



That wasn't really directed to you rt. I just feel like about half of the posters here aren't enjoying this year, and if that's the case, I don't think there's anything wrong with just watching highlights for a few years and then coming back during brighter days -- in other words I think a sports team is not a marriage, a sports team is a sports team. It's supposed to be fun / entertaining, and it makes sense that not everyone would find this season fun or entertaining, if so why not spend your time on other things that you find more enjoyable you know? We only live once after all. To be clear though, my statement about fandom was not directed toward you rt

Sure that’s what makes this such a great sports town bandwagon fans!
King Soleman moment here and I smell a lot of split kids

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Hayton is so frustrating to me. Like Coyotedroppings said, I can't get out of my head on where he was drafted. If he was drafted in the second round I would be ok with his development. I guess another high pick wasted for a mix six player.

Could explain some of your disdain for this “beyond reason” tear down.
Edit: ever tell you I have a degree in psychology?

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Skating is fun, but it really is dangerous for the inexperienced. I looks so damn easy. rt, while in pain now, will have a funny story to tell all his friends, and after a few drinks rt will probably exaggerate how and what happened.

So let me get this straight - one of the many who come here and talk about how this or that player sucks went out for a public skate and busted his ass up?
Priceless!

 

[Coyotedroppings]

These arguments make even less sense than your arguments usually do. Yes, Hayton is #2 on the team in takeaways per 60 but if you considered the data before posting you'd see Hayton doesn't even average one takeaway per game (Hayton plays 15 minutes a game, 2.66 takeaways per 60 is 2.66 / 4 or .66 of a takeaway per game). And I don't know that takeaways necessarily measure physical strength anyway, I mean maybe they do but someone like Datsyuk led the league in takeaways for however many years, no one ever confused him with Eric Lindros or Chris Pronger.

NST link in case anyone else likes poking around:
Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

To be clear I'm not slamming Hayton, I'm saying at this stage he's a mixed bag (which is understandable given he's still young). Offensively creative (incl setting a perfect screen on Phil's goal last game), good on faceoffs etc. I am also saying that during the game against Seattle, other than faceoffs I saw him lose every physical / 1-1 battle which was not great to see -- and if he gets better than what I saw last game, he would be more effective in the future.

My 1-1 battle statement seems controversial so I will pay more attention next game. Hopefully he does better than what I saw him do against Seattle!

He’s definitely needs improvement and is still figuring out how the big boys do it. He’s not week, he’s just not positioning himself as well as many of his opponents currently.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Comes with being a sports fan in general. I am a fan from the beginning and will always be a fan. It’s all part of the ride bud. Highs and lows. It’s why I love it. That’s just me personally tho

Indeed, would get old walking all over everyone all the time….. of course I could stand it for a bit, after all these years.

 

[Jakey53]

Comes with being a sports fan in general. I am a fan from the beginning and will always be a fan. It’s all part of the ride bud. Highs and lows. It’s why I love it. That’s just me personally tho

Reason hasn’t changed, just the method. I happen to agree with your logic, for the most part, but I like hockey, want it to stay here and don’t think it’s time to abandon ship. If I were living paycheck to paycheck I wouldn’t have tickets anyway. I don’t think you’re hurting for cash either…. This teams always been one of my favorite charities

I had said many times that if you are a fan you stick with your team through thick and thin. I love the game of hockey, and I also want it to stay here like we all do, but I just don't get excited to watch this team right now having these old vets taking a spot from a kid. None of these vets are the future. I know you need vets on a team, but we have four or five that have no business playing on this team. I like that they are bringing up and rotating a couple of kids from Tucson on D, and if they do the same at forward and sit some of these vets then I will start watching. Like Cobra said, they are just pissing away a year. In the mean time, I will call it a trial separation and wait for my hockey spouse to convince me she still wants me.

 

[Jakey53]

Could explain some of your disdain for this “beyond reason” tear down.
Edit: ever tell you I have a degree in psychology?

You may have hit the nail on the head.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

[QUOTE="Jakey53, post: 181061725, member: 130510"]You may have hit the nail on the head.[/QUOTE]
Sometimes it takes a few sessions

 

[Coyotedroppings]

I had said many times that if you are a fan you stick with your team through thick and thin. I love the game of hockey, and I also want it to stay here like we all do, but I just don't get excited to watch this team right now having these old vets taking a spot from a kid. None of these vets are the future. I know you need vets on a team, but we have four or five that have no business playing on this team. I like that they are bringing up and rotating a couple of kids from Tucson on D, and if they do the same at forward and sit some of these vets then I will start watching. Like Cobra said, they are just pissing away a year. In the mean time, I will call it a trial separation and wait for my hockey spouse to convince me she still wants me.

So “thick and thin” be damned then?

 

[Sm00chy]

I had said many times that if you are a fan you stick with your team through thick and thin. I love the game of hockey, and I also want it to stay here like we all do, but I just don't get excited to watch this team right now having these old vets taking a spot from a kid. None of these vets are the future. I know you need vets on a team, but we have four or five that have no business playing on this team. I like that they are bringing up and rotating a couple of kids from Tucson on D, and if they do the same at forward and sit some of these vets then I will start watching. Like Cobra said, they are just pissing away a year. In the mean time, I will call it a trial separation and wait for my hockey spouse to convince me she still wants me.

Yea I mean I hear you.... personally I am watching individual players. Watching guys like Keller, Ghost, Hayton, Soderstrom, Timmins until his injury, Mayo, Dineen, Vejmelka...to me I enjoy seeing how certain guys react to being on a team like this.

 

[rt]

Yea I mean I hear you.... personally I am watching individual players. Watching guys like Keller, Ghost, Hayton, Soderstrom, Timmins until his injury, Mayo, Dineen, Vejmelka...to me I enjoy seeing how certain guys react to being on a team like this.

Same.

I’ve been watching a ton of CHL games this season. Thanks Steve! And I watch Coyotes games pretty much like I watch CHL games. I’m just scouting individual players, looking for positives, and thinking about the future. Not much rooting interest or emotional investment. Just entertainment and hope for the future.

I’m a little more emotional about the Coyotes games. Particularly the hitting and fighting and scrums. I actually might love Liam O’Brien a little. That stuff is just so curative for my soul. I’ve been so humiliated being a fan of the sissy ass quitter Coyotes teams of the Chayka/Tocchet era that seeing the heart and the guts and the balls of this group does make me proud.

But mostly I don’t care if guys suck or if we win or lose. I’m mostly just encouraged but what I’m seeing out of Keller, Hayton, Crouse, Fischer, McCartney, Vejmelka and the overall team identity. Plus a little nervous about Chychrun and eager for him to settle down and realize he doesn’t have to do it all by himself.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

Reason hasn’t changed, just the method. I happen to agree with your logic, for the most part, but I like hockey, want it to stay here and don’t think it’s time to abandon ship. If I were living paycheck to paycheck I wouldn’t have tickets anyway. I don’t think you’re hurting for cash either…. This teams always been one of my favorite charities

I'm a little OCD when it comes to things like this, so I keep fairly extensive records....and this is where I'm at, too. Over the last 10 years my 'entertainment expenses' for this team works out to slightly over $1/day. I'll live.