GDT: Game 75: Tampa Bay Lightning vs. Snowy Montreal Canadiens, Thurs April 4, 7 PM | TSN2, RDS

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LaP

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Tampa looked awfully good last night...not sure they aren't a legitimate contender moving forward.
I'll get hate for saying this but Duclair is underrated in my book. He's not a great player or anything but he's a good middle six player to have around. He's a good add for them it will make it easier to spread their elite talents in the top 9. Their defense remains highly questionable though.
 

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If we were to trade Matheson it wouldn't be to play some slouch.
Not that I'm advocating it but let's not pretend we wouldn't be getting something back.
He will never be a competent top pairing guy I should think that would be evident to you.
My greatest wish is to have someone take away some of the responsibilities Matheson is shouldering.
But listening to some (many) posters here, one would think that Matheson is a root cause of the team's ills. And they point to his hideous +/- statistics. It's a statistic that is one of the more misleading individual indicators in hockey as that statistic is largely a collective (team) one. This mobile, durable player plays 26 minutes a game for a team that is composed of two and half forward lines that are basically AHL level. I suspect Bobby Orr himself would have difficulty maintaining a 'good' +/- with this collection of players.

There isn't a team in the league that wouldn't gladly take Matheson. Just visit the Penguins' board to see what they think of Matheson. More importantly, what they think of their team's decision to have foolishly traded him for the aging Petry.

Over my 22 years here I have often cautioned against trading away skating ability. For doing so, is at the peril of your organization. To those longing to trade Matheson, I would strongly suggest that they be careful of what they wish for. Fortunately for us, we have a management team in place today that won't make that perilous error.
 
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But listening to some (many) posters here, one would think that Matheson is a root cause of the team's ills. And they point to his hideous +/- statistics. It's a statistic that is one of the more misleading individual indicators in hockey as that statistic is largely a collective (team) one. This mobile, durable player plays 26 minutes a game for a team that is composed of two and half forward lines that are basically AHL level. I suspect Bobby Orr himself would have difficulty maintaining a 'good' +/- with this collection of players.

There isn't a team in the league that wouldn't gladly take Matheson. Just visit the Penguins' board to see what they think of Matheson. More importantly, what they think of their team's decision to have foolishly traded him for the aging Petry.

Over my 22 years here I have often cautioned against trading away skating ability. For doing so, is at peril of your organization. To those longing to trade Matheson, I would strongly suggest that they be careful of what they wish for. Fortunately for us, we have a management team in place today that won't make that perilous error..
I am leaning more towards trading Mike Matheson while his value is very high. It's not for personal reasons or because of his performance on the ice, but more to make way for the younger Ds in our farm system that will inevitably make their way to the NHL. Matheson's value should currently be high, his contract is very manageable and should be appealing to other teams (2 years left on it), and I feel like by the time his next contract will be negotiated, it's going to be quite the feat to manage his ice-time and PP deployments when you've got Hutson, Mailloux, etc. coming up in the ranks.

Will this team be able to sign all the top D corps and keep them happy and motivated? We're going to have too many pieces to the puzzle, I believe that's my point here. I'm not sure where Matheson fits in all of this.
 
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8-2 TBL win with multiple points for Kucherov, Point and Hedman.
The only way we get blown out is if Primeau gets exposed. It may happen as Primeau usually plays against weaker opponents.
 

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The only way we get blown out is if Primeau gets exposed. It may happen as Primeau usually plays against weaker opponents.

I'm torn. On one hand I want him to keep progressing and become a great goalie. On the other hand I want him to revert back to his old self for the rest of the season.
 

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But listening to some (many) posters here, one would think that Matheson is a root cause of the team's ills. And they point to his hideous +/- statistics. It's a statistic that is one of the more misleading individual indicators in hockey as that statistic is largely a collective (team) one. This mobile, durable player plays 26 minutes a game for a team that is composed of two and half forward lines that are basically AHL level. I suspect Bobby Orr himself would have difficulty maintaining a 'good' +/- with this collection of players.

There isn't a team in the league that wouldn't gladly take Matheson. Just visit the Penguins' board to see what they think of Matheson. More importantly, what they think of their team's decision to have foolishly traded him for the aging Petry.

Over my 22 years here I have often cautioned against trading away skating ability. For doing so, is at peril of your organization. To those longing to trade Matheson, I would strongly suggest that they be careful of what they wish for. Fortunately for us, we have a management team in place today that won't make that perilous error.
I've actually liked his overall defensive game much better since Guhle has been paired with him.
He's not trying to do everything himself as often as he once did. Less is more with Mike Matheson.
 
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I'm torn. On one hand I want him to keep progressing and become a great goalie. On the other hand I want him to revert back to his old self for the rest of the season.
Don’t be torn. Let him progress and become a valuable trading asset in the near future when he becomes expendable once Fowler arrives.

That future value is far more important than whether we draft 6 or 10 this year. We’re getting a good player this draft, regardless.
 
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Seb

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Don’t be torn. Let him progress and become a valuable trading asset in the near future when he becomes expendable once Fowler arrives.

That future value is far more important than whether we draft 6 or 10 this year. We’re getting a good player this draft, regardless.

You're right, although for this particular game I truly want him to let in at least 10 goals to help me keep my lead in my pool.
 

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You're right, although for this particular game I truly want him to let in at least 10 goals to help me keep my lead in my pool.
I can’t argue against such self-interest. But in the grander scheme of things, this one game will have little or no effect on the long term prospects of the team.

So everyone just relax.
 
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LaP

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I am leaning more towards trading Mike Matheson while his value is very high. It's not for personal reasons or because of his performance on the ice, but more to make way for the younger Ds in our farm system that will inevitably make their way to the NHL. Matheson's value should currently be high, his contract is very manageable and should be appealing to other teams (2 years left on it), and I feel like by the time his contract is going to end, it's going to be quite the feat to manage his ice-time and PP deployments when you've got Hutson, Mailloux, etc. coming up in the ranks.

Will this team be able to sign all the top D corps and keep them happy and motivated? We're going to have too many pieces to the puzzle, I believe that's my point here. I'm not sure where Matheson fits in all of this.
I don't see any reason to trade Matheson now. I don't think his value is as high as people think it is. His reputation was not great when we acquired him and it's hard to change that it requires more than just two good seasons. He is under contract for two more years and his highest value i think will be during the summer of 2025 with one year left to his contract and his position as a 50 points offensive dman better cemeted. Trading Savard yeah i was on board with that and i think it should have been done. But there's no hurry to trade Matheson at all. I would not extend him though he'll be too old at the end of his contract and his next contract will surely age as well as Petry.
 
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Besides Cayden Primeau in nets, no lineup changes from our last game vs. Florida Panthers.



 

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In terms of the tank, it's not great. But for the progression of the team and their young guys, this is good stuff.

They already passed their pts from last year. They finished with 68 and they're at 70 pts with 8 games left. So there's a progression.

... and... they can still make da playoffs.
 
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Be careful out there on the roads guys and gals, a few accidents here and there on my way to work earlier this morning. I'm not sure I'll make it out of the workplace alive, as I'm blaring Christmas Carols on my speakers for all to hear. F*** everybody!

As for tonight's game, hoping for a 5-4 loss in normal time. 2 goals for Suzuki and 2 goals for Slafkovsky! Primeau with 64 saves.




Crikey ya poor bastards,what the devil is going on up there? This is our forecast for the next week,it's blazin.lol

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Still cheering for a 20 goal season for Slafkovsky and a 40 goal Suzuki season! Would be great!


And I want Xhekaj fights. Lots of them.
 
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Nicko999

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Most fans are coming to the realization that the Habs are much better than their record indicates and are probably not a bottom 10 team. They won't roll over, even for a minute.
I will believe they are a good team when they win games that matter.
Wins vs backup goalies when the team has long been eliminated mean absolutely nothing!
 
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I will believe they are a good team when they win games that matter.
Wins vs backup goalies when the team has long been eliminated mean absolutely nothing!
Building the culture starts with winning games and building swagger. These guys imo are not playing loose, they are playing like the games matter.
 

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Building the culture starts with winning games and building swagger. These guys imo are not playing loose, they are playing like the games matter.
Not a big fan of "culture". It's a word that was used way too often in the past 30 years to excuse crappy teams.
Nobody is saying wins here and there are bad. However, we cannot conclude the team is better than we think because of iur record when half of the wins came against backup goalies in games that did not matter. If we are in a playoff battle until the last games, then I will judge how good the team really is based on results.
 
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Tampa looked awfully good last night...not sure they aren't a legitimate contender moving forward.
If I am Fla- Bos, the 2 seed and Toronto looks like a easier path than Tampa in the 1st round. Tampa's deadline moves woke them up. panthers on the other hand went backwards post deadline
 
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