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GDT: Game 7 | Leafs @ Bruins | COME BACK CONTINUES - SLAY THE DRAGON EDITION | Saturday, May 4; 8 p.m. EST | Leafs tied series 3-3

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Sypher04 said:
Nonsense. If you don’t agree with my assessment then tell me where specifically you think I’m wrong.

Picks are almost never called and especially so in the playoffs, but even when they are it’s because a) the player being impeded had body position, or the player using the pick did so with excessive force, neither of which applies to this play.
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Justin Holl skating into the Tampa Bay player on purpose with the intent to create a lane for John Tavares. It was a planned and deliberate pick, which is interference.

The correct call was made, regardless of any other calls or non-calls.
 
LeafsFan89 said:
Why mess with a formula that has been working? Other than game 2, he hasn't really been a factor. I would rather him be 100% than him at 70%.
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We are still struggling to score... I think replacing Gregor with a 70% Matthews is fine.

50% of why it is working is our goaltender, he's been amazing.

We've been clogging up the middle and playing well, but Woll is a huge reason we are winning... if he has an off game, we are in trouble if we can't score.

Dreakmur said:
Justin Holl skating into the Tampa Bay player on purpose with the intent to create a lane for John Tavares. It was a planned and deliberate pick, which is interference.

The correct call was made, regardless of any other calls or non-calls.
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You are applying your opinion as if it is fact.
 
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Why go through all the trouble of trolling like this only to say if he is playing right after? This is more poker. He might not play but I am thinking he is playing.
 
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Dreakmur said:
Justin Holl skating into the Tampa Bay player on purpose with the intent to create a lane for John Tavares. It was a planned and deliberate pick, which is interference.

The correct call was made, regardless of any other calls or non-calls.
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Rough night for the officials to get 5-10% of the infractions called with that standard. Not sure it's praise worthy to go so far outside the standard they withheld the rest of the game (and honestly across the league)
 
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LeafsFan89 said:
Why mess with a formula that has been working? Other than game 2, he hasn't really been a factor. I would rather him be 100% than him at 70%.

Edit: As I said above, I could be entertained having a 70% Matthews on the third line and keep the top 2 lines and 4th line the same. But I don't Keefe would do that.
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Leafs changed Reaves for Gregor and were able to win. Making a change from Gregor to Matthews, or Robertson to Matthews, isn't going to be the end of us. I get the superstition and what not but... It's pretty crazy to think our star can't help. If we lose, then we lose... but being scared to put in Matthews if he's good to go is just not the way to go.
 
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notbias said:
The series is 2 games long?
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If we’re living in the moment with this group of players, we shouldn’t be worried about early in the series before this team found their defensive footing and goaltending stability.

This team has earned its detractors the honest way over the years but if you’re going into a Game 7 tonight after that comeback stretch and still comparing it to the old regime, have fun.
 
notbias said:
Schenn was better than them all (maybe not Domi, I like his game) and I think Edmundson should be in the press box, but whatever you think.
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Lyubushkin doing the same exact thing Schenn did last year with the same exact kind of result.

edmundson is an upgrade over gio or Holl
Bertuzzi is an upgrade over bunting
domi is an upgrade over kerfoot
 
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Gallagbi said:
We did something similar with Bozak way back in 2013. Took warm ups, looked like he was playing only for it all to be mind games.
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I think it’s mind games too. If they had Matthews they would have dropped that info like a bomb on Boston’s head.
 
Stephen said:
If we’re living in the moment with this group of players, we shouldn’t be worried about early in the series before this team found their defensive footing and goaltending stability.

This team has earned its detractors the honest way over the years but if you’re going into a Game 7 tonight after that comeback stretch and still comparing it to the old regime, have fun.
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Their defensive footing is mostly just Woll playing amazingly.

They look like they've tightened up a little for sure, but with Samsanov, I think we are out already.
 
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Dreakmur said:
Justin Holl skating into the Tampa Bay player on purpose with the intent to create a lane for John Tavares. It was a planned and deliberate pick, which is interference.

The correct call was made, regardless of any other calls or non-calls.
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What you’re describing happens all the time in hockey. It’s definitely a pick by the definition of what a pick is it never gets called. Ever. Try to visualize a ref calling a “picking” and it doesn’t exist. Try to visualize what “interference” is, and it doesn’t look like what Holl did.
 
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I was ready for change and accepted no hope after game 4, not fair for the boys to make me feel like it might be different unless they finish the job.

What I keep coming back to is Will finally looks healthy from his ankle injury. If you just look at his regular season before the injury and his playoffs, he’s been a monster and can match up with Swayman. We have the better skaters and that should be enough.

Game needs to be 5v5 as much as possible, this isn’t the game to send any messages or start stuff. Special teams is all they have.
 
notbias said:
Their defensive footing is mostly just Woll playing amazingly.

They look like they've tightened up a little for sure, but with Samsanov, I think we are out already.
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It will be interesting to see if Woll can do the same to Florida. He hasn't really had a long run of consecutive games, but presumably he will get all of the Florida series.
 
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thusk said:
Lyubushkin doing the same exact thing Schenn did last year with the same exact kind of result.

edmundson is an upgrade over gio or Holl
Bertuzzi is an upgrade over bunting
domi is an upgrade over kerfoot
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I think ROR is likely the best of the forwards, and Schenn was better than Lub, but like I've said, I like Lub and Domi so far, they are playing great.

ROR >= Domi
Schenn > Lub
Bert > Bunting
Edmundson = Gio > Holl

I think the teams are similar and we are still having the same struggles as before (scoring), although I think Boston is a hard team to score against.

I guess seeing how they do against Florida (fingers crossed) will give us a better idea of how far they've come.
 
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notbias said:
I think ROR is likely the best of the forwards, and Schenn was better than Lub, but like I've said, I like Lub and Domi so far, they are playing great.

ROR >= Domi
Schenn > Lub
Bert > Bunting
Edmundson = Gio > Holl

I think the teams are similar and we are still having the same struggles as before (scoring), although I think Boston is a hard team to score against.

I guess seeing how they do against Florida (fingers crossed) will give us a better idea of how far they've come.
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If the Leafs can shut down Florida's offense the way they have Boston's offense, I will be changing my tune about round 3.
 
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notbias said:
Their defensive footing is mostly just Woll playing amazingly.

They look like they've tightened up a little for sure, but with Samsanov, I think we are out already.
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Yep, safe to say with Samsonov we would've been put out long ago:

Game 1 samsonov expected ga 2.97, GA 4
Game 2 samsonov expected ga 2.51, GA 2
Game 3 samsonov expected ga 1.56, GA 2
Game 4 samsonov expected ga 1.66, GA 3
Game 4 woll expected ga 0.59, ga 0
Game 5 woll expected ga 2.64, ga 1
Game 6 woll expected ga 3.54, ga 1
 
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Dreakmur said:
Justin Holl skating into the Tampa Bay player on purpose with the intent to create a lane for John Tavares. It was a planned and deliberate pick, which is interference.

The correct call was made, regardless of any other calls or non-calls.
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Zero change in direction by Holl, no body position on the part of the Tampa player and limited contact.

It’s an incredibly weak call in any game, let alone game 7 of a playoff series and to base overturning the game tying goal on

If Holl had hit the Tampa player down or changed his path to impede him then we’d be having a different discussion but Tampa had no claim to that ice.
 
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Antropovsky said:
Yep, safe to say with Samsonov we would've been put long ago:

Game 1 samsonov expected ga 2.97, GA 4
Game 2 samsonov expected ga 2.51, GA 2
Game 3 samsonov expected ga 1.56, GA 2
Game 4 samsonov expected ga 1.66, GA 3
Game 4 woll expected ga 0.59, ga 0
Game 5 woll expected ga 2.64, ga 1
Game 6 woll expected ga 3.54, ga 1
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So 90% Woll, got it.

I underestimated how good he's been.
 
Antropovsky said:
Yep, safe to say with Samsonov we would've been put out long ago:

Game 1 samsonov expected ga 2.97, GA 4
Game 2 samsonov expected ga 2.51, GA 2
Game 3 samsonov expected ga 1.56, GA 2
Game 4 samsonov expected ga 1.66, GA 3
Game 4 woll expected ga 0.59, ga 0
Game 5 woll expected ga 2.64, ga 1
Game 6 woll expected ga 3.54, ga 1
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In defense of Samsonov however, if he had received a reasonable level of goal support from a team premised on healthy offensive talent and production befitting the second highest scoring team, he would have been fine.

Just for example. Colorado scored 1 more regular season goal than we did but what they did to Winnipeg and Hellebuyck, if Toronto had scored at that rate we would have swept Boston.
 
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Stephen said:
In defense of Samsonov however, if he had received a reasonable level of goal support from a team premised on healthy offensive talent and production befitting the second highest scoring team, he would have been fine.

Just for example. Colorado scored 1 more regular season goal than we did but what they did to Winnipeg and Hellebuyck, if Toronto had scored at that rate we would have swept Boston.
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So we should have went after offense instead of #6 Ds and a 13th forward this year?
 
Stephen said:
What you’re describing happens all the time in hockey. It’s definitely a pick by the definition of what a pick is it never gets called. Ever. Try to visualize a ref calling a “picking” and it doesn’t exist. Try to visualize what “interference” is, and it doesn’t look like what Holl did.
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Referees more often call infractions that directly impact the play, and less offer call ones they don’t. When it leads directly to a scoring chance, they’re more likely to call it.
 
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