Pre-Game Talk: Game 7: last chance for the core

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Kessel always produced in playoffs.

As for shutting down our top line, you pay them the money they make to be good enough to avoid that.
Kessel had the exact same things said about him:

Loser
Uninterested
Soft
Never a winner
Locker room cancer
Can't win with this guy
Always looking for the easy out
Regular season player

Etc.

In reality, he wasn't being put in the right place to succeed. When he was, he not only blended in, he stood out on a team with Crosby and Malkin.
 
I'd upgrade the coaching even if we win Game 7 and advance on Monday.

The job they've done collectively is simply unacceptable for a team that's this loaded and is supposed to be contending.

Keefe unwilling to break up Matthews and Marner for the entire season. There were times it wasn't working and it's definitely not working now. Yet he keeps riding them. On top of that they've been playing too many minutes all season long.

The PP? No explanation needed. Absolute joke.

Wholesale changes needed in the coaching department. They're not good enough. Simple.

If Dubas refuses to do so because Keefe is "his guy" then you override his decision for the better of the franchise.

Everyone in charge of hockey ops needs to be accountable.
 
Remember in 2019, when we had a chance to close out Boston in Game 6, and laid an absolute egg? I went into Game 7, knowing what would happen. I knew we'd get railroaded. I had the game on, as background noise, hardly paying much attention. Pre-game people were asking me why I wasn't excited, or ready for the game. It was pure dejection, and knowing.

I have that seem feeling heading into tomorrow.

Call it what you want.

I just don't know...

It's hard to be excited, yes, but to me this is not the same as 2019. A. It's not Boston we're facing. B. It's going to be a home game, no hostile crowd. C. We're a better team than in 2019. Despite all the hot take we've seen here, I think it's not a foregone conclusion that tomorrow is a loss.
 
Kessel had the exact same things said about him:

Loser
Uninterested
Soft
Never a winner
Locker room cancer
Can't win with this guy
Always looking for the easy out
Regular season player

Etc.

In reality, he wasn't being put in the right place to succeed. When he was, he not only blended in, he stood out on a team with Crosby and Malkin.
....then produced in the playoffs every single time

I agree that he wasn't in an ideal spot to succeed, but Marner and Matthews are
 
It's hard to be excited, yes, but to me this is not the same as 2019. A. It's not Boston we're facing. B. It's going to be a home game, no hostile crowd. C. We're a better team than in 2019. Despite all the hot take we've seen here, I think it's not a foregone conclusion that tomorrow is a loss.
It's a toss up, which is a lot worse situation than we ever should have been in
 
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Kessel had the exact same things said about him:

Loser
Uninterested
Soft
Never a winner
Locker room cancer
Can't win with this guy
Always looking for the easy out
Regular season player

Etc.

In reality, he wasn't being put in the right place to succeed. When he was, he not only blended in, he stood out on a team with Crosby and Malkin.

Kessel was terrific in the one playoff series he played with us. I had no problem with him. Marner and Matthews have been very ordinary. You're saying that 2 guys that are making around 22M are not prime time players and they need someone else to insulate them? That's a big f***ing problem. They are supposed to be our Crosby and Malkin.
 
If all Jack Campbell had to do was jump into the pile of Hab players in his crease to nullify that goal, then that is on him. I might not know the details of the rule, but it's his job to know just that. And it's the coaches jobs to teach that stuff. He had plenty of time and opportunity.
 
Kessel had the exact same things said about him:

Loser
Uninterested
Soft
Never a winner
Locker room cancer
Can't win with this guy
Always looking for the easy out
Regular season player

Etc.

In reality, he wasn't being put in the right place to succeed. When he was, he not only blended in, he stood out on a team with Crosby and Malkin.
The difference between Kessel, Yzerman, Ovi, etc is that they produced in the playoffs as well a regular season. Team just wasn’t good enough.

Some of our core is the opposite.
Not every individual is cut for the playoffs. But when you are paid franchise, you need to be.
 
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I'd upgrade the coaching even if we win Game 7 and advance on Monday.

The job they've done collectively is simply unacceptable for a team that's this loaded and is supposed to be contending.

Keefe unwilling to break up Matthews and Marner for the entire season. There were times it wasn't working and it's definitely not working now. Yet he keeps riding them. On top of that they've been playing too many minutes all season long.

The PP? No explanation needed. Absolute joke.

Wholesale changes needed in the coaching department. They're not good enough. Simple.

If Dubas refuses to do so because Keefe is "his guy" then you override his decision for the better of the franchise.

Everyone in charge of hockey ops needs to be accountable.

Maybe they can bring in Tortorella for just one game and he lights up some fire under the ass of the stars on this team.
 
It's hard to be excited, yes, but to me this is not the same as 2019. A. It's not Boston we're facing. B. It's going to be a home game, no hostile crowd. C. We're a better team than in 2019. Despite all the hot take we've seen here, I think it's not a foregone conclusion that tomorrow is a loss.

If < 2500 Montreal fans are the difference maker, then we have bigger problems.

We look better as a team than years previous years, agreed. However, it is our stars (besides Nylander) that never show up in the playoffs and this is the problem. Sure, bench the Thorntons of the team; modify your bottom 6; swap your bottom D-pairing. But these moves are inconsequential compared to the fact that your 26 million first line has like 9 points combined.

Can't blame goaltending. Can't blame the bottom six (they have been literally winning us the games). I am unsure what else Dubas can do to this hockey team other than trade a Marner-like player to shake the core up because the current core is clearly not working.
 
Oh I'll watch. I hope they win but i also have a morbid curiosity as to how they'll blow it this time.

I'm guessing they have a 3-0 lead late in the 2nd and it slowly evolves into a 4-3 deficit. They tie it in the dying minutes to send it to OT. And we all know the rest .
 

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Sadly if we lose game 7 I dont see any changes happening.

It is a love fest from the president to the GM to the coach and to the players.

No one is going anywhere.

We might switch out the fourth line for other scrubs who make the league minimum. That's about it.
Can't argue with someone who's going completely based on history. There has been zero indication that the above statement is wrong.
 
The biggest issue now is that this entire organization does everything from a position if fear.

Will they be willing to change lineups?

Will they be willing to change their style of play to be more aggressive?

Will they bench players who should be benched?

After losing two games in a row and bow facing elimination will they be willing to try something different when they haven't up to this point?

The fear is real.
 
My confidence in this group is in the toilet.

Heading into the playoffs I was feeling good that this team would seal the deal. I did think it would be a close series, but did not see the Leafs dropping two potential clinching games in OT.

This series has shed light on our top tier stars not being the players we need them to be when it matters most. We talk about Matthews and Marner as if they’re two of the best on the planet, but with what we’ve seen in these last two games when we need them the most, it’s clear that it’s not true.

This is Montreal we are talking about here. The lowest team achieving a playoff spot.

What the hell are Matthews and Marner going to do against an actual good team? Imagine them going head to head against Point and Kucherov? Those guys leave it all on the ice every game. They battle and don’t sit back and wait for the game to come to them. We don’t have that in our group, that’s pretty clear to me at this stage.

If by some miracle this team pulls together and beats Montreal tomorrow, my mind about the construction of this team is not going to change. If our highly paid stars aren’t leading the charge then we are going to need drastic changes happening.
 
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Kessel had the exact same things said about him:

Loser
Uninterested
Soft
Never a winner
Locker room cancer
Can't win with this guy
Always looking for the easy out
Regular season player

Etc.

In reality, he wasn't being put in the right place to succeed. When he was, he not only blended in, he stood out on a team with Crosby and Malkin.

Nobody ever called Kessel a regular season player.
 
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Hmmm let's see, up 3-1 in a series .. Lose back to back games in Overtime after staging two multi-goal come backs.

Yeah this isn't going to end well at all.

My prediction: the Leafs jump out to a 2-0 lead early. Montreal cuts it to 2-1. The Leafs pull ahead 3-1 by the end of the second period. Montreal comes back and wins 4-3 i regulation. Because that's what this core does. Loses games in specularly different wants. Blowing a 3-1 series lead is just another different chapter in this embarrassing book.

A history making game for this iteration of the Leafs.
You can't ice this same core next year if they perform a disgrace.

Something from the core has to go, unfortunately I think the main culprits will get a pass because I don't think there will be enough courage in management.

And no I don't the best player in the world is coming to the Leafs.
 
Can't argue with someone who's going completely based on history. There has been zero indication that the above statement is wrong.
Yeah, it has to start from the top. I always say Dubas because I think he runs the show, but it has to start with Shanahan. Shanahan typically isn't worth mention because he's an empty suit with a face on it, but yeah he needs to go to.
 
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These kinds of stupid hot takes were made about Kessel. He went on to not only win 2 cups, but he was screwed out of the Conn Smythe the first year. Not at all a passenger on that team.

Will you guys ever learn from past mistakes?


Marner and Matthews haven't scored. They are also absolutely dominant while on the ice and haven't given up a goal yet.

Why not? Because the entirety of Montreal's strategy is "don't let 34 and 16 score".

And yet, just last night Matthews created 3 superb scoring plays for Marner and Nylander.

How quickly people forget about the loss of the depth up the middle. Add Tavares in and this team instantly has 2 dangerous scoring lines - meaning that Montreal has to split up their defensive efforts.

It is what it is - they haven't scored enough (for a variety of reasons), Marner is trying too hard and therefore screwing up the most basic plays, Matthews hasn't had many good shots to take the whole series.

The rest of the team has been good and terrible at the same time.
It's not the first line with horrific giveaways leading to OT winners.
It's not the first line with 3 straight delay of game penalties.
It's almost never the first line hemmed in their own zone.
In fact, Keefe has started putting the top line in for defensive draws just to ensure that we can break out into the offensive zone.

Such doom and gloom.

" I'm never watching again" - some guy who watches every game.

You guys sound like my children.

This is such a bad take lol.

First of all, Mitch Marner has two delay of game penalties alone in this series. One of them was on the penalty kill mind you, but what other "elite" players have done that fot their team so far in the playoffs?

Secondly, your Kessel comparison is a head scratcher. There is no lesson to be learned from Kessel. Phil was shipped out of town and went to play with elite players in Crosby, Malkin and Letang, who had already won Stanley Cups. He got to be a support player on that team, rather than "the guy" and he thrived in an environment where the pressure wasn't on him. That has nothing to do with Matthews and Marner, unless your suggestion is that Toronto needs to add prime Crosby and Malkin, so that 34 and 16 can become support players to take the pressure off them?

Next you go to the loss of center depth with Tavares being out. Need I remind you that despite thr loss of Tavares, the Nylander-Galchenyuk-Kerfoot line has been the most productive Leafs line in the series? So there, again, your point falls apart. That line has played plenty well enough and produced well enough, for Toronto to win the series. As has Spezza's line, which has chipped in as well. It rests on the top line, playing 25-30 minutes per night, doing absolutely nothing of note, offensively.

Finally, this notion that 34-16-11 aren't scoring because they're being targeted, is laughable. You don't think Florida's goal was to shut down the Kucherov line? You don't think Washington and New York's goal was / is to shut down the Perfection line? You don't think people game plan to shutdown the Mackinnon line?... They do. Guess what? They score anyways because they're simply better than the guys trying to shut them down.

You're talking about people acting like your children, but yours is one of the childish takes I've read yet.
 
If I'm Keefe is completely change the lines that don't work.

Try Marner with Spezza. The Leafs aren't giving significant playing time to their only other shooter and the rest of this team refuses to shoot. Marner also needs to play with someone who will work through sheer will alone to get it done.

Play Matthews with a couple of tougher players so they can all use their size, like Hyman and someone else.

Nylander already has a line that works with him on it.

Sit Thornton and play either Nash or Brooks. That line is completely useless when Thornton plays.
 
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