Laval Rocket: Game #68 vs. Cleveland Monsters (Laval Loses 5-4 in regulation)

[MasterD]

Can anyone tell me a valid reason for not sending RHP or Ylonen down for the most important game of the year? I mean, who knows if they'd have made a difference, but still. Send 1 down and simply recall him today. These guys play back to back all the time, and who cares if they play like crap tonight? Even Columbus sent down reinforcements for this game.
This is really poor player management. I love Hughes and Gorton, but this really ticks me off. Granted, Laval should've been able to win regardless.

Reason: Ylonen and RHP themselves.

Show guys in the organization that if you deserve to be in the NHL and make NHL money, you will.

 

[Ezpz]

Reason: Ylonen and RHP themselves.

Show guys in the organization that if you deserve to be in the NHL and make NHL money, you will.

Maybe so but now 20 guys are likely going to miss out on crucial development time by missing the playoffs. It seems shortsighted.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Reason: Ylonen and RHP themselves.

Show guys in the organization that if you deserve to be in the NHL and make NHL money, you will.

It's a few games. Should have been sent down and brought back if Laval is eliminated.

 

[TomKosto]

It's a few games. Should have been sent down and brought back if Laval is eliminated.

The objective is to develop NHLer not to make the AHL playoff. You are not sending back down a kid who's our best scorer from last month just to make the playoff in the AHL. The kid deserve to stay, continue to develop chemistry, making more money, etc.

 

[MasterD]

Maybe so but now 20 guys are likely going to miss out on crucial development time by missing the playoffs. It seems shortsighted.

Imagine you're at work, on a team. You're doing great, so they're like "hey, we'll promoted you to this other team, your salary increases 10x, and 20 000 people will cheer for you 3 times a week".

You're like "damn, sounds great!". You go there, become one of the top performers of that team. Everyone's saying how great you're doing, happy to have you on that team.

Then your boss comes to see you and says "hey man, you're doing awesome, but your old team needs help, so we'll send you back there and cut your salary 10x". Might take you back on this team next year, we'll see how good you do in september".

How happy would you be? How motivated would you be to go back?

 

[Ezpz]

Imagine you're at work, on a team. You're doing great, so they're like "hey, we'll promoted you to this other team, your salary increases 10x, and 20 000 people will cheer for you 3 times a week".

You're like "damn, sounds great!". You go there, become one of the top performers of that team. Everyone's saying how great you're doing, happy to have you on that team.

Then your boss comes to see you and says "hey man, you're doing awesome, but your old team needs help, so we'll send you back there and cut your salary 10x". Might take you back on this team next year, we'll see how good you do in september".

How happy would you be? How motivated would you be to go back?

Ultimately it is a business and when you sign the contract you perform the duties you are required. No other team worries about this sort of thing when sending guys down for the playoff push. The only reason they're even still up is the number of injuries we have.

 

[JRichard]

Who in Laval would truly benefit from a PO run besides Heineman? Struble and Dobes, are there more?
Teams out of it but with many young guys in AHL might act differently.

 

[montreal]

He was living 15 mins from the Flyers rInk. Habs asked the Flyers for their 7th rounder. They said yes.

Good years in NCAA doesnt mean much. Wait till they show something in AHL. Did ok around .909 and 1 good po run. But there is another step. Awful NHL numbers 3-14 .871 in 4 seasons.

Good year? He had one of the best U-19 seasons in NCAA HISTORY. That sounds like more then a good year.

 

[JRichard]

Good year? He had one of the best U-19 seasons in NCAA HISTORY. That sounds like more then a good year.

Good, very good, excellent. One of the best (10th best, 2nd best, the best?) Which is it? I truly dont know this stat…

 

[montreal]

Good, very good, excellent. One of the best (10th best, 2nd best, the best?) Which is it? I truly dont know this stat…

No U-19 goalie with more then 14 starts has had a higher save % then Primeau, though we'll see if it means anything since 2 others goalies in NCAA history have tied Primeau's .931 save %, the panthers 1st round pick Spencer Knight and the Jackets Jon Gillies.

Primeau's career so far is more on track with Gillies who oddly enough played for the same program as Primeau at Northeastern. So it could mean nothing, if Primeau can't get on track, which I am going to wait a few more years to see what happens. He was flat out dominating in the NCAA, I don't know if they can fix the mental part, I hate how the Habs have handled him under MB, it sucks but messing with a 20 year old or even 21 year old is not a good way to develop players imo.

Now with the new group we'll see what happens with Dobes and how they develop him.

Elite Prospects - NCAA Stats All-time season

All-time/historical regular season stats and leaders per season for NCAA, including top goal scorers, most games played, PPG leaders and more.

www.eliteprospects.com

 

[JRichard]

No U-19 goalie with more then 14 starts has had a higher save % then Primeau, though we'll see if it means anything since 2 others goalies in NCAA history have tied Primeau's .931 save %, the panthers 1st round pick Spencer Knight and the Jackets Jon Gillies.

Primeau's career so far is more on track with Gillies who oddly enough played for the same program as Primeau at Northeastern. So it could mean nothing, if Primeau can't get on track, which I am going to wait a few more years to see what happens. He was flat out dominating in the NCAA, I don't know if they can fix the mental part, I hate how the Habs have handled him under MB, it sucks but messing with a 20 year old or even 21 year old is not a good way to develop players imo.

Now with the new group we'll see what happens with Dobes and how they develop him.

Elite Prospects - NCAA Stats All-time season

All-time/historical regular season stats and leaders per season for NCAA, including top goal scorers, most games played, PPG leaders and more.

www.eliteprospects.com

Found your info interesting so looked it up. 19th best freshman save %. Career 12th best (8 totally unknown goalies ahead). He played 2 yrs.

Guy right after Primeau, Dryden Mckay 13th best career save %, played 4 seasons, went undrafted and is now playing in Newfoundland.

 

[schwang26]

The objective is to develop NHLer not to make the AHL playoff. You are not sending back down a kid who's our best scorer from last month just to make the playoff in the AHL. The kid deserve to stay, continue to develop chemistry, making more money, etc.

10,000 fans last night might disagree. Winning is part of development. Having a losing ahl team is not good. Yes, they've earned time in the NHL and arguably spots next year, but they could've easily helped in Laval last night. A win would've created a bit of distance. Now, RHP and Ylonen may not even have the chance to play in the ahl playoffs and end up golfing in a week. How's that good for development? Also, at this point, what kind of chemistry are they building? With who? There's no one left!
Without all the injuries, they may not have gotten much of a look this year either.

 

[TomKosto]

10,000 fans last night might disagree. Winning is part of development. Having a losing ahl team is not good. Yes, they've earned time in the NHL and arguably spots next year, but they could've easily helped in Laval last night. A win would've created a bit of distance. Now, RHP and Ylonen may not even have the chance to play in the ahl playoffs and end up golfing in a week. How's that good for development? Also, at this point, what kind of chemistry are they building? With who? There's no one left!
Without all the injuries, they may not have gotten much of a look this year either.

That's your point of view, and I dont agree. Maybe Ylonen, but RHP clearly deserve to play all the games remaining this season and earning more money, simple as that. The fact they didn't send him down with Ylonen, seems to suggest developping nhler is more important than making playoff in the AHL to the Habs organisation.

 

[jrom]

Imagine you're at work, on a team. You're doing great, so they're like "hey, we'll promoted you to this other team, your salary increases 10x, and 20 000 people will cheer for you 3 times a week".

You're like "damn, sounds great!". You go there, become one of the top performers of that team. Everyone's saying how great you're doing, happy to have you on that team.

Then your boss comes to see you and says "hey man, you're doing awesome, but your old team needs help, so we'll send you back there and cut your salary 10x". Might take you back on this team next year, we'll see how good you do in september".

How happy would you be? How motivated would you be to go back?

It’s not a summer camp, it’s a job. Playing well a couple of games in the NHL doesn’t mean you earned the right to never go back in the AHL. Once you get a 1-way contract it means you’ve earned that.

 

[schwang26]

That's your point of view, and I dont agree. Maybe Ylonen, but RHP clearly deserve to play all the games remaining this season and earning more money, simple as that. The fact they didn't send him down with Ylonen, seems to suggest developping nhler is more important than making playoff in the AHL to the Habs organisation.

Then why pencil him in to be available for the ahl playoffs with Ylonen?

 

[jrom]

Then why pencil him in to be available for the ahl playoffs with Ylonen?

Even Barron was supposed to be paper-traded to Laval in order to make the playoff run but the league refused because he was injured.

CBJ know what’s up, they send 4 players down and won in AHL / lost in NHL while we did the opposite.

 

[TomKosto]

Then why pencil him in to be available for the ahl playoffs with Ylonen?

In case they make the playoff when the Habs season is OVER? What's so hard to understand?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Imagine you're at work, on a team. You're doing great, so they're like "hey, we'll promoted you to this other team, your salary increases 10x, and 20 000 people will cheer for you 3 times a week".

You're like "damn, sounds great!". You go there, become one of the top performers of that team. Everyone's saying how great you're doing, happy to have you on that team.

Then your boss comes to see you and says "hey man, you're doing awesome, but your old team needs help, so we'll send you back there and cut your salary 10x". Might take you back on this team next year, we'll see how good you do in september".

How happy would you be? How motivated would you be to go back?

Who cares?? Guenther and Wright were sent back to junior. I highly doubt they wanted to go. Especially in Wright's case where Seattle is going to be in the playoffs.
And your comment re next season is irrelevant because regardless of where they played this season they are going to have to earn an NHL job in training camp. And HuGo and St Louis already know what they can do. They don't need more games to evalulate them. Habs can make up the lost salary any number of ways.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

In case they make the playoff when the Habs season is OVER? What's so hard to understand?

The Habs season is OVER. No need to care who plays the last 2 meaningless games.

 

[TomKosto]

It’s not a summer camp, it’s a job. Playing well a couple of games in the NHL doesn’t mean you earned the right to never go back in the AHL. Once you get a 1-way contract it means you’ve earned that.

Can you find me one example where a top scorer (RHP since his call up) for a NHL club was sent down so the freaking AHL concession can make the playoff? Lots of you act like it's a surprise and a huge mistake. Gorton and Hughes jobs are to develop an NHL club, not to make the playoff with their farm club.

The Habs season is OVER. No need to care who plays the last 2 meaningless games.

Pretty sure RHP is happy about the money he's gonna make for the next two games. But hey send the kid down, he didn't deserved it.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Stop complaining guys. It's done.

 

[jfm133]

I read this "development" thing everywhere, as if playing 15 more games will change something for a player. That means nothing. The key is maturation. At a young age it is very important. Look in the juniors the difference between 16, 17, 18, 19 and those playing at 20. It continues at 21, 22, 23, 24 for non exceptionnal players.

Primeau last year played these extra games in the playoffs and he was very good, and what happened the following season? Ups and downs and fans here thinking he is a bust because of the few games he played with the big team. Montembeault is good this year and Toronto scored 7 goals on him yesterday. It was the same for Primeau against Détroit. The team is weak riddled with injuries, what do you expect goalies to do against so many good scoring opportunities? All that to say that I think Primeau will be a decent backup if the team is better next year and can stay relatively healthy.

 

[TomKosto]

Well you guys were right...gotta admit it. But why doing it now and not for the two Monsters games?

 

[Adam Michaels]

Well you guys were right...gotta admit it. But why doing it now and not for the two Monsters games?

Because NHL teams need to dress a minimum of 20 players. Habs even had to call up Primeau and Schueneman to reach that 20.

I know the Monsters game was on a night the Habs weren't playing, but on non-game days, NHL teams are required to have a minimum of 18 players on the roster. They wouldn't have been able to reach the mandatory 18 if they sent them down (because they sent Primeau and Schueneman).

It's the crazy injury situation on the Habs that kind of forced management's hand to keep them up and not sending them down. Why were they able to send the down today? I imagine it's because someone is available to come off IR and fill the roster spot and afforded the Habs the chance to send them down now.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Because NHL teams need to dress a minimum of 20 players. Habs even had to call up Primeau and Schueneman to reach that 20.

I know the Monsters game was on a night the Habs weren't playing, but on non-game days, NHL teams are required to have a minimum of 18 players on the roster. They wouldn't have been able to reach the mandatory 18 if they sent them down (because they sent Primeau and Schueneman).

It's the crazy injury situation on the Habs that kind of forced management's hand to keep them up and not sending them down. Why were they able to send the down today? I imagine it's because someone is available to come off IR and fill the roster spot and afforded the Habs the chance to send them down now.

Just what I thought. Thanks for the clarification.

Really sucks they couldn't ice those guys two games ago.