Post-Game Talk: Game #60 - The wheels come off - Ducks 5 BRUINS 3 F

[Seidenbergy]

They NEEDED 4 points in California. They had 3 locked up and could have taken an OT loss tonight but now today is a must win.

Let's not get carried away. It's not a must-win. It's arguably the least important game remaining on the schedule.

 

[Fossy21]

with a bloody linesman standing right there. When I watched it this morning, I could see it from my couch, how this guy misses it is beyond me

I hate to speculate, but I really hope it's not a case of linesmen slowly but surely losing some sense of accountability due to the offside challenge. If you feel you can be bailed out if the team scores, you might let some ticky tack ones go that you might otherwise call. This one for sure looks clear as a day with a screencap, but live it might have just felt offsides but barely for the linesman. The obvious problem with that (supposed) reasoning is the fact that the refs seem unwilling to correct their mistakes, especially on goalie interference challenges, and also the fact that a team in the situation Boston was last night (again, due to the main ref's unwillingness to correct his mistake) can't even challenge to begin with, so the linesman has to get it right.

 

[Theodoriph]

Only difference between us and the teams ahead of us in the standings that we're chasing (FLA, TOR, NYI) is literally they just get the loser point soooo often.

Boston 30W 30L
Toronto 28W 31L
NYI 28W 31L
FLA 28W 31L

Yet we're in the worst spot of the 4 teams, hmmmmm...

If you want to complain about teams with inflated point totals for Eastern Conference teams, complain about Detroit (7-0 in the shootout) and Ottawa (4-1 in the shootout).

If you eliminate OT/SO entirely from the equation and only include how good these teams are at playing actual hockey, then the teams you've listed are as follows:

Toronto: 22-20-17 = 61 points (62 points including the game in hand)
Boston: 24-24-12 = 60 points
New York: 24-21-14 = 62 points (63 points including the game in hand)
Florida: 18-21-20 = 56 points (57 including the game in hand)

So it looks like out of those four teams, Florida is the only weak link that would drop below Boston. Toronto would still be one point up on Boston and NYI would actually gain 2 points on Boston (as right now they're tied in points).

 

[BklyNBruiN]

I hate to speculate, but I really hope it's not a case of linesmen slowly but surely losing some sense of accountability due to the offside challenge. If you feel you can be bailed out if the team scores, you might let some ticky tack ones go that you might otherwise call. This one for sure looks clear as a day with a screencap, but live it might have just felt offsides but barely for the linesman. The obvious problem with that (supposed) reasoning is the fact that the refs seem unwilling to correct their mistakes, especially on goalie interference challenges, and also the fact that a team in the situation Boston was last night (again, due to the main ref's unwillingness to correct his mistake) can't even challenge to begin with, so the linesman has to get it right.

Too bad we couldn't challenge that play because not long before that, we challenged the goalie interference play involving Marchand and lost.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Let's not get carried away. It's not a must-win. It's arguably the least important game remaining on the schedule.

If the Leafs were to win and other teams there fighting win ,than ths could be a must win for,them.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

they'll get the loser point tonite and win sunday.
book it

 

[GloryDaze4877]

The refs in the NFL have no problem overturning their own calls with regularity.

Really, when?

Maybe it's just the Bruins (highly doubtful), but on the GI and goal calls which are "Re-reviewed" by the refs who originally made the call, I have yet to see them change one. There was one last year (by I believe it was Bergeron) that was CLEARLY IN THE NET, I mean you could see the puck inside the net, and they didn't overturn it.

If you have some stat showing otherwise, awesome, but the majority of the reviews that I have seen by on ice officials looking at the call they just made, don't get overturned.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

That was a bad bad call. Also Bergeron could of had a goal if he would of lifted it just a tad. We lost this game because of the sloppy play in our own end throughout the whole 60 minutes, I am looking at you Kevan Miller.. Miller is not all of what his plus & minus suggest he is. I'm sorry he just isn't. As many here say everyday, we/Bruins are in need of a top 4 D man.

Colin Miller looked good in my opinion and the Anaheim announcers praised his offensive skills throughout the whole game! They loved his game.

I'll say it again we lost this game because of the utter sloppy play in our own end, like if the puck was a damn grenade or something.

I really do like the open & quick pace of their game now, and I'm sure they like it too, which 2 me is very important. Spooner looks like a new man..

I thought Miller had a rough night physically (he took a couple of pucks and sticks to the face and body. He also made some mistakes in D zone coverage and had a bad turnover on the PP. He got back and smothered that, but it was still a bad pass attempt.

Overall, I thought that Carlo, Krug, and particularly K Miller, were all worse, but we all see what we want to see (myself incl).

 

[Coach Parker]

Let's not get carried away. It's not a must-win. It's arguably the least important game remaining on the schedule.

2 points on a California trip was the minimum. If people aren't sure why, the Bruins have taken 2/4 and as a reward for going 4-1 in the last five are now in 10th in the East.

 

[Coach Parker]

they'll get the loser point tonite and win sunday.
book it

Lots of 'booking's happening the last 24 hours reading through the threads. Cehlarik getting his 1st, Bruins win the third period, Bruins win the period 3-1.

I'll book this though for you.

 

[Coach Parker]

If the Leafs were to win and other teams there fighting win, than ths could be a must win for,them.

If Leafs, Islanders and Lightning win tonight and Bruins lose, Bruins would be be 2 points behind Islanders, three behind Leafs and two points up on Lightning with all of them with a game in hand on the Bruins.

 

[Seidenbergy]

Really, when?

Maybe it's just the Bruins (highly doubtful), but on the GI and goal calls which are "Re-reviewed" by the refs who originally made the call, I have yet to see them change one. There was one last year (by I believe it was Bergeron) that was CLEARLY IN THE NET, I mean you could see the puck inside the net, and they didn't overturn it.

If you have some stat showing otherwise, awesome, but the majority of the reviews that I have seen by on ice officials looking at the call they just made, don't get overturned.

I wrote "The refs in the NFL have no problem overturning their own calls with regularity."

I'm trying to figure out why there would be a difference in behavior between NFL refs and NHL refs. One set have no problem saying "my bad". Just not sure why those in the NHL would be any different.

 

[jgatie]

The refs in the NFL have no problem overturning their own calls with regularity.

Really, when?

Maybe it's just the Bruins (highly doubtful), but on the GI and goal calls which are "Re-reviewed" by the refs who originally made the call, I have yet to see them change one. There was one last year (by I believe it was Bergeron) that was CLEARLY IN THE NET, I mean you could see the puck inside the net, and they didn't overturn it.

If you have some stat showing otherwise, awesome, but the majority of the reviews that I have seen by on ice officials looking at the call they just made, don't get overturned.

Look closer at the league initials in his quote.

 

[duffy]

As bad as the D was tonight you can't have goaltending like this and make the playoffs. Not happening!

Yes Rask was less than stellar but if Bergy lifts that open net shot, DK hits the net on any of his chances, Pasta goal counted, their offside goal disallowed and we win this game by minimum 3 goals! Let's just say everyone should have played better and Belesky should be rehabbing in practice or Prov, not in Boston while fighting for every point to get in the PO's!

 

[Seidenbergy]

If the Leafs were to win and other teams there fighting win ,than ths could be a must win for,them.

By definition, it's only a must win game if a loss eliminates them from the playoffs. Unless you are arguing that every team they are in contention with is going to win every one of their remaining 20+ games, then no, mathematically tonight is not a must win game. The B's could easily still control their own destiny, given all of the games they still have against the other teams in the Atlantic.

Another way to argue it, they could lose tonight and still have the potential to get 108 pts for the season. Are you saying 108 pts will not be enough to get in the playoffs?

The B's can still lose at least 5 or so games and make it in easy. Tonight's game, against a team they aren't competing against for a playoff spot, is in no way a must-win.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

By definition, it's only a must win game if a loss eliminates them from the playoffs. Unless you are arguing that every team they are in contention with is going to win every one of their remaining 20+ games, then no, mathematically tonight is not a must win game. The B's could easily still control their own destiny, given all of the games they still have against the other teams in the Atlantic.

Another way to argue it, they could lose tonight and still have the potential to get 108 pts for the season. Are you saying 108 pts will not be enough to get in the playoffs?

The B's can still lose at least 5 or so games and make it in easy. Tonight's game, against a team they aren't competing against for a playoff spot, is in no way a must-win.

I agree with must win.

This isn't so much about the final records. This has to do with momentum going into the trade deadline.

 

[Seidenbergy]

I agree with must win.

This isn't so much about the final records. This has to do with momentum going into the trade deadline.

I just get frustrated with the over-use of the term. I've been keeping track and this is at least the fifth game in the last few weeks that at least one poster has called a "must win". We've lost 3 of the prior 4 "must win" games. So, those really weren't "must win" games, now were they?

If we lose this game, I guarantee folks are going to call the Dallas game a "must win". It makes no logical sense and has essentially caused the term to lose all meaning.

 

[Ryan77]

I just get frustrated with the over-use of the term. I've been keeping track and this is at least the fifth game in the last few weeks that at least one poster has called a "must win". We've lost 3 of the prior 4 "must win" games. So, those really weren't "must win" games, now were they?

If we lose this game, I guarantee folks are going to call the Dallas game a "must win". It makes no logical sense and has essentially caused the term to lose all meaning.

I think when you look at how Boston has missed the playoffs the last two years and how tight the race is year after year you can make the argument they are all must wins. I don't agree with must wind but this team needs to get that loser point. They have let to many slip away and it will
Cost them.

 

[Spanky185]

I wrote "The refs in the NFL have no problem overturning their own calls with regularity."

I'm trying to figure out why there would be a difference in behavior between NFL refs and NHL refs. One set have no problem saying "my bad". Just not sure why those in the NHL would be any different.

MLB may have the best system in the US, I like how reviews are handled in some international sports, like in cricket the 3rd umpire is sitting watching the game upstairs so he as access to all video reviews immediately, plus can call the field umpires if he sees something they don't. That's exactly what hockey needs.

 

[Seidenbergy]

MLB may have the best system in the US,

I don't know. I hate how the manager can stand on the top step of the dugout and hold up the game for as long as he wants, as many times as he wants, essentially. Baseball games are long enough already.

 

[BklyNBruiN]

I thought Miller had a rough night physically (he took a couple of pucks and sticks to the face and body. He also made some mistakes in D zone coverage and had a bad turnover on the PP. He got back and smothered that, but it was still a bad pass attempt.

Overall, I thought that Carlo, Krug, and particularly K Miller, were all worse, but we all see what we want to see (myself incl).

Glory I agree I think the majority of them had a rough game. They struggled continuously for 60 minutes in their own end. I did like Colin's offensive game and he had a couple nice shots and one for a goal.

 

[Bmessy]

I only watched the highlights, because I can no longer stay awake past 10:30pm, but dear lord that defensive zone coverage on all those goals was horrifying. No one covering the front of the net, 5 guys withing 20 feet of one another, no bueno. I'm sure Cassidy is making them aware

 

[Glove Malfunction]

I wrote "The refs in the NFL have no problem overturning their own calls with regularity."

I'm trying to figure out why there would be a difference in behavior between NFL refs and NHL refs. One set have no problem saying "my bad". Just not sure why those in the NHL would be any different.

The calls in the NFL are very different though. They are not being asked to overturn a subjective call like goaltender interference. They are determining if a catch was made, if it was inbounds, if a fumble occurred, etc. These are are all very objective calls, unlike the ones NHL refs are asked to overturn, like GI. The responsibility for making the determination needs to be removed from those who made the initial call in the first place. That will at least get away from the problem of refs not wanting to overturn themselves.

 

[BklyNBruiN]

I agree with must win.

This isn't so much about the final records. This has to do with momentum going into the trade deadline.

Agreed. It would put him in more of a position of strength if he decides to try and pull off a trade or two.

 

[Seidenbergy]

The calls in the NFL are very different though. They are not being asked to overturn a subjective call like goaltender interference. They are determining if a catch was made, if it was inbounds, if a fumble occurred, etc. These are are all very objective calls, unlike the ones NHL refs are asked to overturn, like GI. The responsibility for making the determination needs to be removed from those who made the initial call in the first place. That will at least get away from the problem of refs not wanting to overturn themselves.

Can't disagree more. What is a catch vs what is not a catch has become the most subjective call in sports. Even edelman alluded to it after the sb when asked about "the catch". The fact that the rules "experts" in the booth more often than not disagree with the refs on the field even after a full review proves this.