GDT: GAME 6 | Senators sail into the Lake of Salt | Tue Oct 22 2024, 9:15PM | TSN5, RDSI

[Emrasie]

I still think there's lots of room for growth in JBD.

JBD turned 24 this off season. Consider that:

DeMelo was 25 when he joined the sens, and was a 3rd pair guy that wasn't qualified prior to that.
Zub was 25 before playing his first NHL game.
Jensen was 26 before playing his first NHL game

All three guys are similar archetypes to JBD, average size, average skaters, not overly physical or great puck handler, just smart defensive players that make the right choices at the right times. None of these guys made it earlier because their games weren't based on physical abilities, they couldn't dangle their way to points or dominate the opposition physically, they had to play a smart game based on positioning and the experience to know what play to make.

JBD isn't there yet, but as a 3rd pair guy, I think he strikes a good balance of good value for money, and upside to become something more. if he's you're 6th Dman, I think that's more than alright.

JBD is really slow, for the actual NHL it's worrisome.
It was obvious against this Utah team.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849131287157658092

Pls Hamonic, don’t cockblock this GOAT season from Sandy.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Find me an NHL team that plays full throttle for the entire 60 minutes. Such a team doesn't exist; it's simply impossible to dominate another team for an entire game. That's just unrealistic.

Well, they never did dominate though. They scored timely goals, which is massive and I loved it, but I wouldn't say we dominated. We may have outplayed them for 20 of 60 minutes and got incredible goaltending + timely scoring, which is great - but it won't happen like that most of the time.

I have heard a 2 goal lead is the worst lead in hockey. Which could be argued from the point of taking your foot off the gas. But in reality a 1 goal lead is always the worst lead. A 4 goal lead is very hard to blow.

It's probably PTSD from the last 500 seasons, but if anyone's gonna blow that lead...

 

[LiseL]

I have to say I was one of the ones who wasn't sure about some of our depth moves BUT

Gregor, Amadio, and Cousins have been pretty darn good for us.

Amadio makes so much room for his linemates with his play, keeps the play alive. Wish he would be rewarded with some points as that's the only thing some people seem to judge him on.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Amadio makes so much room for his linemates with his play, keeps the play alive. Wish he would be rewarded with some points as that's the only thing some people seem to judge him on.

He's been excellent imo.

 

[LiseL]

Credit where it's due. I've been crapping on Forsberg this season, but he has been amazing this game.

I either read an article or saw an online show recently where it was discussed that the last year Forsy played really well, he was basically the starter so played most games and got into a groove. He said as much in his post-game interview. Ullmark has also said that he prefers playing more games as he's sharper because it comes naturally (less thinking involved). Some goalies just don't do well as backups as they're always coming in cold, sometimes not playing for a couple of weeks. My hope that his confidence is up and he'll be solid even as the backup once Ullmark returns.

 

[LiseL]

I missed most of the game, but that third looks good for the Senators. They are definitely moving in the right direction.

If you missed the 1st period, it was the best one. First 10 minutes: Forsey was a beast, team was flat. Last 10 minutes: 2 great plays by Jensen setting up 2 goals on a 4x4, then a PP goal and 5v5 goal in the dying seconds of the period.

 

[Big Muddy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849131287157658092

The 4th line says "still ain’t all’at”. What does that mean? I get the general theme that he doesn’t like Hamonic, but wondered what that part meant.

Hope JBDs expected goals turn in to real ones (that is the premise for this stat). That would be nice.

 

[Xspyrit]

Encouraging that this team is finding new ways to win

And they're doing that despite a disastrous start statistically from the new depth

Kleven + Hamonic + Amadio + Cousins + Perron + Gregor + Gaudette : 2 pts in 40 games and - 11! Damn, hard to be worse (including Jensen improves that a bit)

Thankfully our core/best players have been manufacturing wins

And very encouraging from Forsberg, he looked like in 2021-22 form. He had a 0.659 QS% that season which was 4th in the NHL! So far this season, he's at 0.500 so it's trending in the right direction. If he can get back to that level, we'd have a pretty damn solid goalie tandem

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849131287157658092

Pls Hamonic, don’t cockblock this GOAT season from Sandy.

I didn't mind Hamonic as much the last 3 games but that's most likely because he's being carried by Jake. That said, it also kinda ruins Jake first Norris contending season so can't go like that all year. Try Jensen or JBD with him

Jake already put Hamonic into respectability 2 years ago, said it several times, but let's not go there again

and to think we predrank to watch Forsberg for nothing

Why do you think I didn't post until now?

 

[DylanSensFan]

If you missed the 1st period, it was the best one. First 10 minutes: Forsey was a beast, team was flat. Last 10 minutes: 2 great plays by Jensen setting up 2 goals on a 4x4, then a PP goal and 5v5 goal in the dying seconds of the period.

I got to watch that on the extended highlights.

 

[KingAlfie11]

"Dominate" is not the objective. I want to see the team play a solid defensive game and not get hemmed into their zone for long periods of time. The game against Utah was not a very good game as the Senators were being dominated. The team did not start the game well; they were being outsmarted and outplayed.


It will definitely interesting to see how it plays out.

I have a different perspective; I don't believe Utah dominated the Sens. In my view, Utah started strong in the first 10 minutes, but the Sens took control in the final 10 minutes of the first period. In my opinion, the most significant statistics are wins, losses, and goal differential. Currently, the Sens stand at 4-2 with a goal differential of +3. The upcoming games against Colorado and Vegas will be telling. It's a long season filled with highs and lows, and hopefully, we'll experience more highs than lows.

 

[Emrasie]

The D structure is way better than last year, Utah had not that many of A chances to score.
I'm not convinced by our 5v5 offense though.
PP is really great to start the season and it helps a lot but at times struggles will surely come and we will need better 5v5 games on O.

 

[Big Muddy]

I either read an article or saw an online show recently where it was discussed that the last year Forsy played really well, he was basically the starter so played most games and got into a groove. He said as much in his post-game interview. Ullmark has also said that he prefers playing more games as he's sharper because it comes naturally (less thinking involved). Some goalies just don't do well as backups as they're always coming in cold, sometimes not playing for a couple of weeks. My hope that his confidence is up and he'll be solid even as the backup once Ullmark returns.

I had the same thought I had as well. He’s played several games in a row, so maybe that’s helped him get into a groove.

 

[Cosmix]

Probably should have had 4.

Delete "Probably".

Karlsson deserved 4; the voters (led by Dregger et al) ganged up against him and voted for Doughty instead. Doughty's season was not as great as Karlsson's; the "knock" against Karlsson was that his team did not make the playoffs. "Making the playoffs" is not a requirement for the Norris!

"The James Norris Memorial Trophy, or simply the Norris Trophy, is awarded annually to the National Hockey League's top "defense player who demonstrates throughout the season the greatest all-round ability in the position".[1]

I agreed with Burns getting his Norris as he had a great year when he won even though Karlsson had a pretty damn good year that season too."

I have heard a 2 goal lead is the worst lead in hockey. Which could be argued from the point of taking your foot off the gas. But in reality a 1 goal lead is always the worst lead. A 4 goal lead is very hard to blow.

The worst lead in hockey is being 2+X goals down with 1 minute left in the game!

 

[bicboi64]

Delete "Probably".

Karlsson deserved 4; the voters (led by Dregger et al) ganged up against him and voted for Doughty instead. Doughty's season was not as great as Karlsson's; the "knock" against Karlsson was that his team did not make the playoffs. "Making the playoffs" is not a requirement for the Norris!

I agreed with Burns getting his Norris as he had a great year when he won even though Karlsson had a pretty damn good year that season too.


The worst lead in hockey is being 2+X goals down with 1 minute left in the game!

The year Doughty won the Norris, the trophy lost so much credibiilty. Burns, Letang, and Karlsson were all better candidates

 

[Cosmix]

I have a different perspective; I don't believe Utah dominated the Sens. In my view, Utah started strong in the first 10 minutes, but the Sens took control in the final 10 minutes of the first period. In my opinion, the most significant statistics are wins, losses, and goal differential. Currently, the Sens stand at 4-2 with a goal differential of +3. The upcoming games against Colorado and Vegas will be telling. It's a long season filled with highs and lows, and hopefully, we'll experience more highs than lows.

I think the Senators were "dominated" at the start of the game. They were outshot and played in their end for much of that part of the game.

Synonyms of domination
1 : supremacy or preeminence over another
2: exercise of mastery or ruling power
3: exercise of preponderant, governing, or controlling influence

Fortunately they came back and scored some goals.

The upcoming games against Colorado and Las Vegas will be interesting and I hope the Senators come prepared to play at the start of the game. We have seen games in prior seasons where they have been outplayed for large stretches of games. Some of that was due to a poor roster of players. Supposedly this current season the roster will be better; Staios said it needed more and better vets and acquired Perron, Amadio, Cousins, Gregor, Jensen and Ullmark accordingly. I hope he was correct in his assessment; however, I have concerns about some of his acquisitions. Hopefully Green and the new coaching staff can correct some of the poor play.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Doughty's win was basically a PR campaign that started in training camp that year. Total joke.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Doughty's win was basically a PR campaign that started in training camp that year. Total joke.

It was the year of Due Doughty.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Doughty's win was basically a PR campaign that started in training camp that year. Total joke.

Due Pouty whining about not being appreciated enough was so lame.

Weber retiring without a Norris due to Lindstrom undeservedly winning in 2011 and Doughty's bellyaching helped turn the Norris trophy into the participation trophy it is today.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Due Pouty whining about not being appreciated enough was so lame.

Weber retiring without a Norris due to Lindstrom undeservedly winning in 2011 and Doughty's bellyaching helped turn the Norris trophy into the participation trophy it is today.

Yup. It's become more about spreading the wealth and making sure everyone gets appreciated, over the best of the best always winning it. Definitely has cheapened the award imo.

 

[Loach]

Yup. It's become more about spreading the wealth and making sure everyone gets appreciated, over the best of the best always winning it. Definitely has cheapened the award imo.

Same with Burns. Burns = 70 pts in 82 games played with favourable offensive deployments and shaky defense. Karlsson = 71 pts in 77 games with far tougher deployment and better defense. It's the Ottawa factor. Nobody cared about Karlsson needing a new contract until Doughty was asked about his...and fckface said let's see what Karl get's. Then everybody cared and Doughty wasn't heard from again until he signed a contract the Karl negotiated for him.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Same with Burns. Burns = 70 pts in 82 games played with favourable offensive deployments and shaky defense. Karlsson = 71 pts in 77 games with far tougher deployment and better defense. It's the Ottawa factor. Nobody cared about Karlsson needing a new contract until Doughty was asked about his...and fckface said let's see what Karl get's. Then everybody cared and Doughty wasn't heard from again until he signed a contract the Karl negotiated for him.

Agreed. For all the accolades Karlsson got, I still feel his time in Ottawa was underrated. He played on mostly underwhelming rosters handicapped by a below cap ceiling budget most years too.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Didn't skate today.