GDT: Game 59 - Winnipeg Jets @ Carolina Hurricanes - Saturday, March 2nd, 2024 - 11:30am CST (19:30 in Finland) - TSN3 - CJOB/Power 97

[sipowicz]

Thanks mac

Some good players there

Long live Finland?
lot of bad talent too

Jets 1.0 = good Finnish hockey players

Jets 2.0 = bad Finnish hockey players

 

[Jet]

1. When I saw that the OP posted that Hannu Järvenpää was "born in II" I figured it was either a typo or that Hannu, having been born in 1911, was one of the best old men to play the game.



m.

I was going to ask AD or BC

 

[sipowicz]

Wrong thread

 

[Jet]

Jets 1.0 = good Finnish hockey players

Jets 2.0 = bad Finnish hockey players

We've had about as much luck with Fins as Russians.

I'm hoping Chibby bucks the trend. Maybe we'll get Tarasenko

Also is crazy to see how young players fade as the pro season goes along.

Chibrikov and Lambert join Perfetti as youngins struggling mightily rn

 

[The Blue Baron]

Don't forget to get your guesses into the Prediction Contest thread while you still have time...

Wake up wake up @macmaroon






Hopefully you took them nuts man?

 

[Stumbledore]

re: the advanced stat debate,

I really don't think these are stats that require any kind of debate at all to be honest.

Anyways, like everyone, hoping for a big bounce back game.

Come on, everything in here requires all kinds of debate -- except bouncy Jane -- or else we don't a fan board anymore. I think @Jets 31 has already provided us with a big bounce, now we just have to see if it translates to the team.

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[Stumbledore]

shit.

 

[DRW204]

re: the advanced stat debate, I think doubters are attaching a bit too much mystique to the fairly straightforwardly useful ones.

Thinks like xg (expected goals) are not that mysterious. They're just advanced forms of shot tracking that take into account shot locations and movement. Yeah they're not perfect and there's some subjectivity but we're not launching a rocket here so who cares? It's certainly no more 'imperfect' than looking at goal totals or shot share in general (though it sometimes seems even shot share stats are too advanced for some?)

It's just a way to get a bit better picture about what went on. I find them a really nice way to get a quick shorthand picture of how a team or line is playing, because otherwise I tend to remember big events (good and bad) and a bit of stats can smooth that out a little and ground things. Having not played all that much defense I also sometimes find it hard to evaluate defensemen (or forwards' defensive impacts) so they're really nice there for giving us a bit of information about how guys' play away from the puck is impacting the game.

I really don't think these are stats that require any kind of debate at all to be honest.

Anyways, like everyone, hoping for a big bounce back game.

i don't even bother most of the time participating in discussions that are going in either direction. when you have posts like post#213 in the previous post-GDT, or posters making big conclusions off shot-share or per-60 stats when a line has like 15 mins of gp and comparing a minuscule 0.5xgf 0.4xga (which is 55 xGF%, looks solid). there's lot of other examples, however both ways can have terrible arguments or applications imo.

 

[bustamente]

No Play Gabe, some players just can't stay healthy

 

[Inanna]

Music for today, hopefully we happy about another win and want to dance after another win.

That poor woman must have the most painful time getting a mammogram, to say nothing of the simple chore of trying to find clothes that fit properly.

 

[ThinIce61]

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The Winnipeg Jets take on the Carolina Hurricanes in a very early 11:30am CST start time to accommodate “Hockey Day in Finland”. The Jets have had a rich history of Finnish born players playing for them, dating back all the way to the WHA days in the early 1970s. Let's turn back the clock (at least not until next weekend) and look at some of these players...

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Center Veli-Pekka Ketola (pictured on the right) was born in Pori and played for the WHA Jets from 1974-75 to 1976-77, where he had 80 goals and 173 points in 218 games for the team.

Defenseman Heikki Riihiranta (pictured on the left) was born in Helsinki and played for the WHA Jets from 1974-75 to 1976-77, where he had 10 goals and 48 points in 187 games for the team.

Goaltender Markus Mattsson was born in Suoniemi and played for both the WHA and NHL Jets from 1977-78 to 1980-81, where he had a 3.79 GAA and a .879 SV% and a record of 37-58-11 in 114 games with the team.

Defenseman Jyrki Seppä was born in Tampere and was selected 43rd overall in the 1981 NHL Entry Draft by the Jets and played thirteen games during the 1983-84 season, where he had two points with the team.

Center Anssi Melametsä was born in Jyväskylä and was selected 249th overall in the 1985 NHL Entry Draft by the Jets and played 27 games during the 1985-86 season, where he had three points with the team.

Defenseman Teppo Numminen was born in Tampere and was selected 29th overall in the 1986 NHL Entry Draft by the Jets and played from 1988-89 to 1995-96, where he had 53 goals and 265 points in 547 games with the team.

Right winger Hannu Järvenpää was born in Il and was selected 71st overall in the 1986 NHL Entry Draft by the Jets and played from 1986-87 to 1988-89, where he had 11 goals and 37 points in 114 games with the team.

Defenseman Arto Blomsten was born in Vaasa and was selected 239th overall in the 1986 NHL Entry Draft by the Jets and played from 1993-94 to 1994-95, where he had two points in 19 games with the team.

Left winger Markku Kyllönen was born in Joensuu and was selected 163rd overall in the 1987 NHL Entry Draft by the Jets and played nine games during the 1988-89 season, where he had two points with the team.

Left winger Petri Skriko was born in Lappeenranta and played for the Jets during the 1991-92 season, where he had two goals and five points in fifteen games with the team.

Hall of Famer Teemu Selänne was born in Helsinki and was selected 10th overall in the 1988 NHL Entry Draft by the Jets and played from 1991-92 to 1995-96, where he amassed 147 goals and 306 points in 231 games with the team. Selänne earned the Calder Trophy for his 76 goal and 132 point rookie season.

Right winger Antti Miettinen was born in Hämeenlinna and played for the Jets from 2011-12 to 2012-13, where he had eight goals and eighteen points in 67 games with the club.

Center Olli Jokinen was born in Kuopio and played for the Jets from 2012-13 to 2013-14, where he scored 25 goals and 57 points in 127 games for the team.

Right winger Joel Armia was born in Pori and played for the Jets from 2015-16 to 2017-18, where he scored 26 goals and 58 points in 179 games for the team.

Defenseman Sami Niku was born in Haapavesi and was selected 198th overall in the 2015 NHL Entry Draft by the Jets and played from 2017-18 to 2020-21, where he scored two goals and had ten points in 54 games with the team.

Forward Patrik Laine was born in Tampere and was selected 2nd overall in the 2016 NHL Entry Draft by the Jets and played from 2016-17 to 2020-21, where he scored 140 goals and 250 points in 306 games with the team.

Left winger Kristian Vesalainen was born in Helsinki and was selected 24th overall in the 2017 NHL Entry Draft by the Jets and is currently playing with HIFK Helsinki. In 70 games spread out between 2018-19 and 2021-22, he scored two goals and had five points for the Jets.

Right winger Joona Luoto was born in Lempäälä and played for the Jets during the 2019-20 season, where he had zero points in sixteen games with the club.

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Defenseman Ville Heinola was born in Honkajoki and was selected 20th overall in the 2019 NHL Entry Draft by the Jets and is currently playing for the Manitoba Moose. In 35 games spread out between 2019-20 and 2022-23, he has scored one goal and eleven points for the Jets.

Right winger Saku Mäenalanen was born in Tornio and played for the Jets during the 2022-23 season, where he had four goals and ten points in 64 games with the team.

Center Rasmus Kupari was born in Kotka and is currently playing in his first season with the Jets, where he has one point in 23 games with the team.

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Go Jets Go!

Great GDT Mac. I recognize all those players except for that Temu Salami guy. Was he any good?

 

[ThinIce61]

So whose in and whose out, we have 4 game time decisions today

Logan Stanley 1st line C I'm hearing.

While simultaneously playing 1st pairing D minutes. He is 6'7" after all so can cover alot of ice.

Jets 1.0 = good Finnish hockey players

Jets 2.0 = bad Finnish hockey players

There's more than a few bad "finishers" on this team and none of them are Finnish I believe.

 

[ThinIce61]

So when someone asks "are we Live" this morning the correct answer is Live? We're barely awake.

 

[bumblebeeman]

re: the advanced stat debate, I think doubters are attaching a bit too much mystique to the fairly straightforwardly useful ones.

Thinks like xg (expected goals) are not that mysterious. They're just advanced forms of shot tracking that take into account shot locations and movement. Yeah they're not perfect and there's some subjectivity but we're not launching a rocket here so who cares? It's certainly no more 'imperfect' than looking at goal totals or shot share in general (though it sometimes seems even shot share stats are too advanced for some?)

It's just a way to get a bit better picture about what went on. I find them a really nice way to get a quick shorthand picture of how a team or line is playing, because otherwise I tend to remember big events (good and bad) and a bit of stats can smooth that out a little and ground things. Having not played all that much defense I also sometimes find it hard to evaluate defensemen (or forwards' defensive impacts) so they're really nice there for giving us a bit of information about how guys' play away from the puck is impacting the game.

I really don't think these are stats that require any kind of debate at all to be honest.

Anyways, like everyone, hoping for a big bounce back game.

Why look at xg over goals? Nino has higher xg than Connor right now, what does that tell us?

 

[Crocket]

Is the line up available yet?
Gabe is out. Who's in?
Schmidt and Jason Appleton were game time too

 

[Jack7222]

Why look at xg over goals? Nino has higher xg than Connor right now, what does that tell us?

Same reason you would look at shots instead of just goals; it gives a better picture of what's going on. Connor has tons of finishing talent so obviously he's going to do more with shots than Nino, but if Nino has a good on-ice xg for (for example) I guess it just means he has a good influence on the creation of scoring chances...

 

[DRW204]

Why look at xg over goals? Nino has higher xg than Connor right now, what does that tell us?

are you talking individual, or on-ice total?

if individual, KC has missed time, but his 5v5 individual rate is equal to Nino's (0.97/ individal xGF/60)

Nino i also imagine gets a bit more attempts closer to the net compared to KC, which would probably have a higher value.

ie: nino's all shots at 5v5 heat-map

now you have a baseline or reference of shot value with each are at 0.97 individual xGF/60. now compare their goals/60... KC 1.29 Goals/60 and Nino 0.73 Goals/60. so KC, on similarly scored shot-attempts is a better scorer.

 

[ThinIce61]

Is the line up available yet?
Gabe is out. Who's in?
Schmidt and Jason Appleton were game time too

Monahan, Vilardi and Ehlers are all GTD as far as I know.
Dillon is out and Stanley is in.
Helle starting.

Obviously with the numbers of players that are possibly out, with the exception of Vilardi the flu bug has found the room I would think.

Serious question. Do hockey teams not encourage the players on the team to get flu shots?

 

[gojetsgo]

Monahan, Vilardi and Ehlers are all GTD as far as I know.
Dillon is out and Stanley is in.
Helle starting.

Obviously with the numbers of players that are possibly out, with the exception of Vilardi the flu bug has found the room I would think.

Serious question. Do hockey teams not encourage the players on the team to get flu shots?

where did you see dillon was out?
edit: just saw weibe's tweet

well I guess we might not have looked as good lately because it seems everyone is taking turns with the flu

 

[Jets 31]

Hopefully its just Vilardi out today.

 

[Guardian17]

Thanks for the GDT @macmaroon .

Hope we see a motivated Jets team this afternoon.

 

[Jets 31]

Thanks for the GDT @macmaroon .

Hope we see a motivated Jets team this afternoon.

 

[DharmaBum]

 

[DRW204]

Perfetti not playing?