Post-Game Talk: GAME 56 - NYR 3 BRUINS 2

[Bruin4]

It was a penalty & it hurt the team .I don't care what his intentions were he has to avoid the goalie up a goal in 3rd period on the road.

Kill the fckn penalty then. Fix the Pk1 Marchand is what he is take the Great with the bad, the Bruins played like shit it goes way beyond that penalty, they didn't deserve to win.

Not saying he hasn't take some very stupid penalty's recently but I dont put this one in that category.

His antics recently and two coaches having serious issues with him tell me it's time for him to go. Thanks for all the memories, so long and farewell.

I agree and feel it is as well, as long as the return is great.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Holy moly...guess I can try find the extended look.Nobody pushed him there though

It’s not an “extended look”. It’s actually seeing the entire play.

You can’t possibly be arguing that showing a super slo mo, zoomed in replay of a relative split second of gameplay gives you the full picture of all that’s going on, right? I can zoom in on one guy skating back and forth all over the rink who never gets the puck and conclude he’s doing all that skating for no reason with your mindset.

 

[22Brad Park]

Kill the fckn penalty then. Fix the Pk1 Marchand is what he is take the Great with the bad, the Bruins played like shit it goes way beyond that penalty, they didn't deserve to win.

Not saying he hasn't take some very stupid penalty's recently but I dont put this one in that category.


I agree and feel it is as well,

I don't want to hear kill it then DON'T DO IT.

It’s not an “extended look”. It’s actually seeing the entire play.

You can’t possibly be arguing that showing a super slo mo, zoomed in replay of a relative split second of gameplay gives you the full picture of all that’s going on, right? I can zoom in on one guy skating back and forth all over the rink who never gets the puck and conclude he’s doing all that skating for no reason with your mindset.

You really think that could not be avoided?

 

[Dr Quincy]

Thought ever cross your mind that he was crashing the net hoping the puck hits him and deflects in? Where the puck came from and angle he took it crossed my mind immediately.

I literally said he was crashing the net.

What I said was that while there, the way he lifted his arms could be interpreted, and was by the refs, as a way to intentionally make contact with the goalie. Could other people see it differently? Sure. But even when "crashing the net" this isn't allowed:



If you see it differently, I wouldn't swear at you and call you a moron like the other poster did.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

it's still a penalty though regardless.

I don’t have a problem with the call. Just saying it’s 100% certain that it’s getting called with it being Marchand while other players have a better chance of not getting called.

And yes that’s purely my opinion based on a whole litany of sure biases.

 

[Dr Quincy]

I mean only the most delusional Bruins fans can think that's not a penalty, I'm sorry.

Thinking the neighbor's dog is talking to you is less delusional.

 

[LouJersey]

Thinking the neighbor's dog is talking to you is less delusional.

You mean Apollo next door isn’t asking me how my day was when I get home? Damn

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

I don't want to hear kill it then DON'T DO IT.


You really think that could not be avoided?

I literally posed the question “could the contact have been avoided?” and answered my own question “yes”.

I’m not sure what you’re really arguing with me about here. I didn’t say it was a bad call, that Marchand didn’t deserve a penalty, etc. I just said that the chances of it being called are basically 100% given it’s Marchand and I don’t chalk it up to simply being a typical boneheaded penalty. It’s a guy trying to make a play on the puck, and in the immediate aftermath, taking a very minimal liberty to make some contact with the goaltender. It’s not a premeditated act of stupidity IMO. Which we know Marshy has committed plenty of.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

That's fine, and I get the argument, and I was not one bashing Sweeney over the pick when it happened, but I am more curious about the decision process. What exactly was the pedigree (other than he was in the NTDP and at D1 Michigan) that led him to be taken in the first round? He never put up big points at any level. That is more what I am interested in at this point, because I am sure there is a story behind it and something the scouts and Sweeney saw in him that thought he was the right choice, or maybe the best choice they could make in that draft slot.

You answered your own question regarding pedigree. Team USA U18 and a Muchigan recruit. That is pedigree. Again was barely a first round pick and a month later was being labeled "a steal" by media at the USSS against Finland & Sweden.

People here were pumping his tires his first couple of games that summer.

I'm not saying he was certifiable 1st rounder but you can't argue especially given where he stand production wise he is a bust.

 

[Bruin4]

I don't want to hear kill it then DON'T DO IT.

Lol

Its that simple, kill the fckn penalty, someone step up and make a play. O yea they cant because the guy who usually does it on the PK is in the box.

This team is lacking heart and passion, what it takes to win in this league and kill penalties, there's whole lot more wrong with this team than pointing the finger at Marchand, because he took a penalty out of per hustle and compete. It wasn't a dumb penalty which he has had plenty of, over his career.

 

[BamBamCam]

for sure that's a different argument.


yeah I see some of the better posters getting cursed out. No wonder nobody really likes to post here anymore.

Some people think they sit up on a higher pedestal and look down on the rest Lou.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I literally said he was crashing the net.

What I said was that while there, the way he lifted his arms could be interpreted, and was by the refs, as a way to intentionally make contact with the goalie. Could other people see it differently? Sure. But even when "crashing the net" this isn't allowed:



If you see it differently, I wouldn't swear at you and call you a moron like the other poster did.

That makes me feel so much better Doc...lol.

However there was a bit of guiding by Miller (not pushing) and its clear
Shesterkyn tracks the puck and moves towards Marchand. As I said what crossed my mind was a bounce off March and into the net. He clearly took a risk doing it and it didn't payoff.

 

[22Brad Park]

Lol

Its that simple, kill the fckn penalty, someone step up and make a play. O yea they cant because the guy who usually does it on the PK is in the box.

This team is lacking heart and passion, what it takes to win in this league and kill penalties, there's whole lot more wrong with this team than pointing the finger at Marchand, because he took a penalty out of per hustle and compete. It wasn't a dumb penalty which he has had plenty of, over his career.

How about this.Everyone & even their dog knows the Bruins are not a good pk team in 24-25. So doing dumb stuff really is a risk .

 

[Bruin4]

How about this.Everyone & even their dog knows the Bruins are not a good pk team in 24-25. So doing dumb stuff really is a risk .

But his intention wasn't dumb, major difference.. Has he done Dumb things in the past, of course he has, but this incident wasn't the case.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I think he saw Shesterkin and 80% avoided, 20% made contact just because ultimately the contact was there to make. Could he have done more to avoid him? Sure. But that kind of minimal contact, bump you because I can contact happens all the time and the majority of the time is ignored. But when the ref and NYR skaters see it's Marchand, the outrage ensues.

I'm not saying Marchand hasn't "earned" the attention during his career. But even at his age, it's detrimental at some point to 100% discard ALL of the shenanigans. In the context of last night's game, I just don't mind it. And, truthfully, even though it is Marchand, I think most referees are letting that sort of incident go completely in a provably impactful game.



This is like a half second of elapsed time that shows almost nothing about what is actually going on immediately before Marchand ends up contacting Shesterkin. Extremely deceptive.

Don't know who the guy is narrating because hearing him say "ok" nine times already has my ears bleeding.

 

[Dr Hook]

You answered your own question regarding pedigree. Team USA U18 and a Muchigan recruit. That is pedigree. Again was barely a first round pick and a month later was being labeled "a steal" by media at the USSS against Finland & Sweden.

People here were pumping his tires his first couple of games that summer.

I'm not saying he was certifiable 1st rounder but you can't argue especially given where he stand production wise he is a bust.

I said quasi-bust because I don't think he a true bust, and he's done fairly for a guy picked where he was- many don't make it- but on the other hand, the Bruins needed to have done better with that pick because the prospect pool and draft cupboard has been pretty bare for a while. But I digress. On the other point, let me re-phrase because I wasn't being clear and the word pedigree is likely the issue. I understand he played for top flight programs, and that alone is worth a great deal. What I am more wondering about is what in his game (not his 'pedigree') led scouts and Sweeney et al. to think there was more to it than what we are seeing in terms of offense given that he was taken in the first round? Would you expect a team to take a defensive specialist forward with no high-level offensive skills in the first round? Specifically, you referenced Roope Hintz, and again, I am asking (because I honestly don't know, not to make rhetorical point) what did they see that made the comparison realistic? And yes, you said lite, but the question remains.

 

[22Brad Park]

But his intention wasn't dumb, major difference.. Has he done Dumb things in the past, of course he has, but this incident wasn't the case.

The puck never went near the crease .I'm done with this it's not going anywhere.

 

[Bruin4]

The puck never went near the crease .I'm done with this it's not going anywhere.

It should have though. Marchy was anticipating for the puck to go there, so he went where the puck should have gone. So yes I'll agree Marchy superior Hockey IQ led to the penalty.

 

[whatsbruin]

The team saw a guy with size and speed and thought "We can teach him skills and iq."

That hardly ever works out. It's either to make a guy a better skater at 20 than it is to make him a more creative and skilled player at 20. If you aren't creative against teens, you aren't going to be creative against men.

You cannot teach skills. You can teach the defensive side of the game, positioning, but hard to teach goal scoring. Sure, teach to hang out around the net for rebounds, but ability to shoot to the open spaces is hard to learn as a player. Most shots I see from the B's land right in the goalies chest.

 

[22Brad Park]

It should have though. Marchy was anticipating for the puck to go there, so he went where the puck should have gone. So yes I'll agree Marchy superior Hockey IQ led to the penalty.

You sound like Howie Meeker

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I said quasi-bust because I don't think he a true bust, and he's done fairly for a guy picked where he was- many don't make it- but on the other hand, the Bruins needed to have done better with that pick because the prospect pool and draft cupboard has been pretty bare for a while. But I digress. On the other point, let me re-phrase because I wasn't being clear and the word pedigree is likely the issue. I understand he played for top flight programs, and that alone is worth a great deal. What I am more wondering about is what in his game (not his 'pedigree') led scouts and Sweeney et al. to think there was more to it than what we are seeing in terms of offense given that he was taken in the first round? Would you expect a team to take a defensive specialist forward with no high-level offensive skills in the first round? Specifically, you referenced Roope Hintz, and again, I am asking (because I honestly don't know, not to make rhetorical point) what did they see that made the comparison realistic? And yes, you said lite, but the question remains.

His U18 game against Canada may still be on YouTube. All I can say is call up that
game and his skating ability compared to most of the Team Canada players
sticks out. He looked really good that game. Plenty of teams watching that game I am sure would wonder what his impact might be if he has a skilled winger with his
speed.

You have to think he won't completely stagnate skill wise when drafted but he didn't progress much offensively, so given there was no DeBrincat, Thomas or Barzal\Connor taken after him it's Monday Morning QBing.

 

[mjhfb]

I almost laughed when Kreider scored his shorty at a crucial time with Boston up a man.
There are many things to address, but Boston could be comfortably in a playoff spot if their PP wasn't so bad. To me that goal was the last straw and I'd make some major PP changes, at least for the short term.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

They still should've taken the other kid from NY

This is boilerplate Monday Morning QB. Pinto was not even a PPG USHL Player
his draft year. This isn't a case of Senyshyn over Connor (Avg 1.4+PPG USHL)
or Vaak over Thomas.

 

[Sheppy]

I can't believe for the life of me believe that there have been teams who have given up more short handed goals than the Bruins have.

 

[Alicat]

I can't believe for the life of me believe that there have been teams who have given up more short handed goals than the Bruins have.

Tied with Tampa and Florida with 8.

Most Short Handed Goals Given Up | StatMuse

The Boston Bruins, the Tampa Bay Lightning and the Florida Panthers are tied for allowing the most shorthanded goals this season, with 8 allowed.

www.statmuse.com