Post-Game Talk: GAME 56 - NYR 3 BRUINS 2

[Dennis Bonvie]

The guy has stone hands and almost no offensive instincts. I am actually surprised that he hasn't been benched a lot more, or even waived to Providence.

I was hoping that with more experience Beecher would get better.

But he hasn't improved at all.

 

[Hookslide]

Why not?

Getting a roughing penalty against the other team's goalie in the 3rd period with a one goal lead is a smart penalty?

Maybe I am wrong I just don't think he directly ran into him, but that is the way I see it, and his reputation does not help. I have always questioned Marchands timing almost all throughout his career with some of his decisions concerning penalties, but I will not die on the hill defending his penalties.

 

[Dr Hook]

I was hoping that with more experience Beecher would get better.

But he hasn't improved at all.

Yes, same. I've been looking for some signs of a first round pedigree there, but if anything, it feels like he's regressed. Last season when he 'arrived' and at the start of this I thought we might have a solid Kuraly, Nosek, Acciari level of 4th liner- a guy that can be a bottom 6 staple for several years. The bright side, if there is one, is that he is still pretty young, so maybe he has time to improve..

 

[JerseyBruin]

I didn't realize they played last night....

That's sad....

Neither did they

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

I don't think ownership has forgiven Marchand's mistake in Game 7 of the SCF in 2019.



You had to be inside TD Garden to understand how deflating that second St. Louis goal was. @Ladyfan @Kate08 can tell you the crowd became scared and it affected the team.

He is a HOF player no doubt but he also is a selfish player that has no self control. Will a team risk him costing them a playoff game and possibly a cup while giving up assets to acquire him?

I doubt it, last night is what he is. Dumb and a bad penalty a game player.

The quickest they can move him Carlo and Coyle the faster we can get back to building something.

Sign Freddy and Geekie and stop giving players like Kastelic term deals. Make them earn it year by year, dime a dozen players this fool locks into.

Keep the goaltending

 

[TD Charlie]

I was hoping that with more experience Beecher would get better.

But he hasn't improved at all.

He was starting to play some great hockey, and then when he plateau'd he did so super suddenly. He's just barely hanging on these days.

 

[Ladyfan]

On the ice, many times he has been the bad guy.

He is more often the good guy for the Bs. The disrespect he gets here is shameful

 

[DarrenBanks56]

Maybe I am wrong I just don't think he directly ran into him, but that is the way I see it, and his reputation does not help. I have always questioned Marchands timing almost all throughout his career with some of his decisions concerning penalties, but I will not die on the hill defending his penalties.

dumb penalty and even worse tying goal in the vulnerable minute. lol..
Bruins shouldve won that game. Rangers really had nothing at all that game.
Carlo with another giveaway that leads to a goal. The guy sucks, and I never want to see him on this team again.
We also missed so many point blank chances right in the slot.
Then of course a shorty with Mcavoy at the point. The guy has no awareness out there.
And what is he doing on the 6 on 5? Its no wonder why we havent scored with the goalie pulled yet. They keep throwing mcavoy out there. Stupid stuff.

 

[BruinDust]

“Claiming the reason for keeping McAvoy on PP was zone entries, to heck with actual PP production.”
McAvoy skates to the red line and sends it back to the bruins zone. But I’m with you, time to switch up all the coaches it will make a difference.

Sometimes coaching you just have to trust your instincts, trust your gut feeling. Trust what you are seeing on the ice not what the analytic charts or advanced stats tell you. I'm starting to think this team is over-coached with info overload rather than just going out there, trusting their instincts, simplify the game and just play.

 

[Hookslide]

Sometimes coaching you just have to trust your instincts, trust your gut feeling. Trust what you are seeing on the ice not what the analytic charts or advanced stats tell you. I'm starting to think this team is over-coached with info overload rather than just going out there, trusting their instincts, simplify the game and just play.

Good points, unless there is something else going on, maybe coaching interference, now I am not saying that is what it is, but food for thought.

 

[BruinDust]

Yes, same. I've been looking for some signs of a first round pedigree there, but if anything, it feels like he's regressed. Last season when he 'arrived' and at the start of this I thought we might have a solid Kuraly, Nosek, Acciari level of 4th liner- a guy that can be a bottom 6 staple for several years. The bright side, if there is one, is that he is still pretty young, so maybe he has time to improve..

I think they are using him a Kastelic wrong. I'd have Kastelic as the forechecking demon putting pressure on D_men, Beecher in the middle as the top face-off guy/shut-down center. He's got the size and wheels to defend big strong centermen. Tell him to concentrate on staying above the puck.

 

[gerrycheeversmask]

I was hoping that with more experience Beecher would get better.

But he hasn't improved at all.

If anything, Beecher has regressed this season.

 

[BruinDust]

Good points, unless there is something else going on, maybe coaching interference, now I am not saying that is what it is, but food for thought.

Exactly, I'm not saying that is what it is, but something to think about.

Todd McLennan said the same thing when he got to Detroit basically. Not that they were overcoached, but this is game you've been playing your whole lives you know how to play it it's not rocket science.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

The only player I can think of on this current team who hasn't regressed from last season is Geekie.

Geekie spit the bit tonight. Missed an open net in P1 and butchered the puck on the game winner.

 

[Dr Hook]

Maybe I am wrong I just don't think he directly ran into him, but that is the way I see it, and his reputation does not help. I have always questioned Marchands timing almost all throughout his career with some of his decisions concerning penalties, but I will not die on the hill defending his penalties.

I think he absolutely got steered into the goalie, BUT I also think he didn't make much of an effort to avoid contact. Maybe it's Brad's rep factoring in, but I also think the refs notice when a guy doesn't really try to get out of way. It was a bad penalty to take a critical time in the game and it was probably avoidable.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Most positive thing I took from the game last night was that the Bruins didn't give up an empty netter. Usually they allow it within 30 seconds of pulling the goaltender. They actually had some chances, like a real NHL team would.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

@Alicat I have NO HATE towards Brad

I also understand he is the best asset Sweeney has to make a deal for the future,

Why are you explaining yourself? He's an idiot that costs his team games with his selfish conduct. Who cares what other posters feel, the truth is hard too except sometimes.

Christ , a stiff coach benched him twice and last last one embarrassed him on the bench for it. The CAPTAIN of the team and we wonder why we chock away games and can't deal with big moments during a game?

They would be hard pressed to get anything of value other than a mid range pick or a project bust prospect.

I think he absolutely got steered into the goalie, BUT I also think he didn't make much of an effort to avoid contact. Maybe it's Brad's rep factoring in, but I also think the refs notice when a guy doesn't really try to get out of way. It was a bad penalty to take a critical time in the game and it was probably avoidable.

Bingo, great post!

 

[Hookslide]

I think he absolutely got steered into the goalie, BUT I also think he didn't make much of an effort to avoid contact. Maybe it's Brad's rep factoring in, but I also think the refs notice when a guy doesn't really try to get out of way. It was a bad penalty to take a critical time in the game and it was probably avoidable.

Well, I am not going to defend him, and I know he does plays hard, but he is not the player he once was, and is not adjusting his game to his game today not 5- 10years ago. I have said before easy to be a leader when everything is going well, but much harder, when they are not. Chara was a real captain and leader.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Seriously you and everyone else can f*** off with this Marchand bad penalty shot. He did NOTHING wrong and Miller should have been in the box with him for yanking his helmet off and pushing him into the goalie. Your blind hatred towards Marchand is pathetic and sad.

Marchand wasn't pushed. The way he raised his arms and his history can lead to many viewers seeing this as a fairly deliberate "I'm driving the net, but while I'm here I might was well hit the goalie" moment, and thus a penalty.

At the same time, one can argue that Miller deserved a penalty for removing Marchand's helmet. But Miller's actions with the helmet have nothing to do with Marchand's decision to try and get a sneaky shot in. Especially, since he's been doing that a lot lately (not running the goalie, but getting a needless and frankly selfish shot in). He's been called for it a bunch lately, but also has gotten away with a couple (kicking out someone's skate a couple games back).

It's a fair criticism to say that while Marchand's offensive abilities AND his edgy play have a benefit to the team BUT that you probably want your captain to be someone to pull a player aside and say "You know, there are times and places for that but in the 3rd period of a close game isn't one of those times" But Marchand IS the captain, no there's nobody with cache to tell him to play smarter.

And it's ok for fans to say these things without someone becoming unhinged and swearing at them and calling them morons because they don't share the same view as you.

Just a tip.

 

[Fenian24]

He is a HOF player no doubt but he also is a selfish player that has no self control. Will a team risk him costing them a playoff game and possibly a cup while giving up assets to acquire him?

I doubt it, last night is what he is. Dumb and a bad penalty a game player.

The quickest they can move him Carlo and Coyle the faster we can get back to building something.

Sign Freddy and Geekie and stop giving players like Kastelic term deals. Make them earn it year by year, dime a dozen players this fool locks into.

Keep the goaltending

A fourth liner like Kastelic who wins faceoffs, hits, is good defensively and a good fighter and teammate is worth a 3 year 1.5AAV deal. Stop giving Charlie Coyle top 6 money because he had one good playoff.

 

[ODAAT]

Brazz hasn`t scored a goal in what? Month and a bit, you mean Merk or Lysell couldn`t bring more? I don`t call them up to replace a 4th liner but Brazz isn`t on the 4th line

 

[Dr Hook]

I think they are using him a Kastelic wrong. I'd have Kastelic as the forechecking demon putting pressure on D_men, Beecher in the middle as the top face-off guy/shut-down center. He's got the size and wheels to defend big strong centermen. Tell him to concentrate on staying above the puck.

I don't think Kastelic is quite right still. He hasn't looked like himself since coming back from the concussion.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

If anything, Beecher has regressed this season.

it pissed me off to no end when he didnt slow the pace and create a 2 on 1 in the second period. Any smart player wouldve done that. Instead he tried taking it to the net and he is just not good enough to do that

 

[lopey]

Hot take city today. Macavoy sucks. Hall of famer Marchand sucks. Some of you need to give your head a shake. There are far to many passengers on this team and those two arent the problem

 

[Dr Hook]

Well, I am not going to defend him, and I know he does plays hard, but he is not the player he once was, and is not adjusting his game to his game today not 5- 10years ago. I have said before easy to be a leader when everything is going well, but much harder, when they are not. Chara was a real captain and leader.

That is not something I want to get into, really. I don't know what kind of leader Brad is because I am not on the bench or in the room. I love the guy and have been a huge fan since day one. I also recognize that he's been a guy that walks a line out there, and has often crossed it. I don't think that's necessarily a leadership issue so much as a player style issue. He took a bad penalty last night, he is prone to doing that generally, and I am not going to blow it up into more than that. If you insist your captain make the right play 100% of the time, you'll be waiting forever. Chara took his share of bad penalties too. Bergeron did not, but he was a different type of player than either Brad or Big Z.