Post-Game Talk: GAME 52 - THE BEAR goes over Niagara Falls - Sabres 7 BRUINS 2

[Clode]

Having "it" playing wise doesn't always equate to having "it" coaching wise. You know this.

Ohh yea I know, comment was more tongue in cheek than anything else lol. Plus Bergy doesn't seem like hes in much of a hurry to get back into the game anyway.

 

[smithformeragent]

I’m going to watch the 3rd period now because I’m curious to hear what Judd and Brickley had to say.

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

I’m going to watch the 3rd period now because I’m curious to hear what Judd and Brickley had to say.

Nice. I went to bed halfway thru the 3rd and I usually don't do that.

 

[smithformeragent]

Nice. I went to bed halfway thru the 3rd and I usually don't do that.

It’s a good thing I like Motley Crue’s “Kickstart My Heart” because it’s pretty much playing on repeat every time Buffalo scores!

 

[xStanleyCupsFor]

After watching that mess last night, I'm firmly on the sell bandwagon. That effort was ... pathetic at the very least. Trade whoever you can including Marchand. I only wish we could undo the Lindholm and Zadorov acquisitions. I don't blame Sweeney for those. Who could have envisioned they would be so bad. Rant over - coffee time!

Lindholm is a MUCH bigger disappointment for me. If things don't change, 7.75M for a 3rd line C with 8 goals through 52 games is one of the worst contracts this team has ever given out, considering the length of the deal and how desperate they are for a 1st line C.

 

[nORRis8]

Lundell is good but not top 35-38 and Rheinhart is a RW in Florida.

Third line center with more pts than our 1st line center.
Oy!

 

[smithformeragent]

I’m going to watch the 3rd period now because I’m curious to hear what Judd and Brickley had to say.

“How how do the Bruins build on that goal?”

Here’s the thing, Judd.

They don’t.

And there’s Motley Crue again!

 

[nORRis8]

Well status quo is not working.They are lazy .And I just added the hockey IQ part because it's true.

The hockey IQ remark is dead on.

Coyle had a very nice look by carrying the puck straight towards the net. Not at all thinking about passing. Almost scored.
Lohrei made a nice move and headed to the net not thinking at all about passing. He pots one in.

Beecher on the other hand comes over the blueline, sees a Sabre come towards him, craps his pants then makes a careless 6' pass which results in a turnover.
Lazy!

 

[DaBroons]

They're gonna be fine once Elias Lindholm returns from being Elias Lindholm.

You mean Elias Lin-home. Judd said that Lin-home innard the zone from sinner ice.

Gonna be hilarious watching the mood swings on this board after we beat Winnipeg at home on Thursday and everyone starts doing the mental gymnastics to try to work out a deal to get Miller or Pettersson again....

I wouldn't take JT Miller if he was on waivers. He's a cancer. Pettersson is Charmin soft.

Should have had 1st goal?That shot was walked on via 1 timer over 100 mph between the circles

Actually that goal was Tuukka's fault.

 

[Beyonder]

Hampus was just settling in before injury. Coach poop. Swayman turmoil etc...Thinking they could turn this around with Hamp/Charlie.

Missing H Lindholm is definitely a blow. And missing both... that's a mortal blow. Getting both of them back may not turn the B's into any kind of serious playoff threat but I would hope it means a lot fewer games like last night. Not sure if they just snap back to form this season, especially given the severity of Lindholm's injury, but man I would enjoy seeing some legit top 2 NHL defensemen on the top pair again.

 

[DaBroons]

We can thank Sweeney and his drafting between 2015-2017 for that. Should be looking minimum at Barzal and Thomas\Noris at center (taken directly after the 3 Amigos and Vaak) and Kyrou taken 6 picks after Frederic, not to mention Kyle Connor.

Many scouts wanted Sweeney to draft Robert Thomas instead of Vaak. Other scouts wanted Vaak and they prevailed. I wanted DeBrincat instead of Freddy. Our old friend Kirk L wanted Fabbro instead of McAvoy, and he's more knowledgeable than almost any of us.

So, my friend, anyone can go back to a draft and cherry pick after the fact. The draft is a crap shoot. Zboril and Jake DB were drafted where they were rated, the former exactly where he was rated. Maybe JDB a little higher, but not much. Zack S. was a big stretch, but then Toronto and Edmonton both had him ranked high, and Edmonton was going to take him with the next pick, but then Chia traded the pick after da Broons took Zack S. To his credit, Sweeney tried to trade either 2 or all 3 of the picks to draft Hanifin.

 

[PB37]

Many scouts wanted Sweeney to draft Robert Thomas instead of Vaak. Other scouts wanted Vaak and they prevailed. I wanted DeBrincat instead of Freddy. Our old friend Kirk L wanted Fabbro instead of McAvoy, and he's more knowledgeable than almost any of us.

So, my friend, anyone can go back to a draft and cherry pick after the fact. The draft is a crap shoot. Zboril and Jake DB were drafted where they were rated, the former exactly where he was rated. Maybe JDB a little higher, but not much. Zack S. was a big stretch, but then Toronto and Edmonton both had him ranked high, and Edmonton was going to take him with the next pick, but then Chia traded the pick after da Broons took Zack S. To his credit, Sweeney tried to trade either 2 or all 3 of the picks to draft Hanifin.

I wanted Thomas too... I was banging on the table in the Draft thread all year for him.

Looking up his stats and he's had a good career so far. Kind of wild that he only averages 15 hits a year per 82 for somebody with his frame.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Many scouts wanted Sweeney to draft Robert Thomas instead of Vaak. Other scouts wanted Vaak and they prevailed. I wanted DeBrincat instead of Freddy. Our old friend Kirk L wanted Fabbro instead of McAvoy, and he's more knowledgeable than almost any of us.

So, my friend, anyone can go back to a draft and cherry pick after the fact. The draft is a crap shoot. Zboril and Jake DB were drafted where they were rated, the former exactly where he was rated. Maybe JDB a little higher, but not much. Zack S. was a big stretch, but then Toronto and Edmonton both had him ranked high, and Edmonton was going to take him with the next pick, but then Chia traded the pick after da Broons took Zack S. To his credit, Sweeney tried to trade either 2 or all 3 of the picks to draft Hanifin.

Sweeney had six first round picks total from the 2015-2017 draft. I wouldn't expect
any GM to go 6/6 or even 5/6. I would expect him to go 4/6 or worse case 3/6 picking the right player. McAvoy he did very well with and Frederic ok. It ended up the other four aren't with the organization 8,9 and 10 years later. That's a significant shortcoming for the organization.

What makes the misses even more significant is the fact they were the last
time they had consecutive years draft choices trading those away in '18, '20,
'22 and '23.

Third line center with more pts than our 1st line center.
Oy!

Not a high bar this year...lol.

 

[Bradely]

The only way to send a message now days is for a coach to tell the guys not giving there all is to take off their gear and stay in the room . I would play with 2 lines and 4 dman and get slaughtered then use lazy ass skaters who are just collecting a pay cheque. The Bruins have very little talent but for every team there is hustle and moving your feet. Give an honest effort and we as fans could handle some of these losses. But to not show up against the worst team in the eastern conference and get severely out huddled is a terrible look.

Played beer league with two lines and 4 D...... and that is why it's called beer league. On an 2025 international or elite level... non sustainable, even for one game!!!

We can all ask for whatsoever solution and benching bla bla bla, but it does not mean it can be done on a realistic base.

 

[Bradely]

I think the players are flat out playing much harder at home. They don't want to hear the boo birds who pay their salaries. Can you imagine TD Garden if they were getting shelled regularly like they have on the road.

Wouldn't be the fans with bags over heir heads would be the players on the bench trying to hide.

Maybe.... but maybe the last change has something to do with it.

 

[Alan Ryan]

Short-side high has killed Swayman all year and shooters know it.

Swayman is dropping into the butterfly too quickly and exposing the top of the net.

 

[ON3M4N]

Just to be devil's advocate, everybody learns on the job so after all these years one would have to think he learned from those mistakes too. I think he could do a rebuild if the organization actually wanted it. More likely they will still try to make the playoffs in a delusional "we are close" idea and they might sell off Lysell or Merkulov or some other picks to try to keep it going and double down so to speak.

What you wouldn't want is to replace Sweeney with a rookie GM who would likely make a new set of errors while learning on the job.

Maybe they will try to follow the Washington model and retool/rebuild while keeping a core intact. Maybe.


As I said in the other reply, maybe look to the Washington approach. That would be a "retool" maybe rather than a "rebuild".

You could. I think some of the success is more guys having outlier seasons than anything else. If you look at their top producers....

Protas - has 42pts through 50 games with a 24% shooting%. In his previous 169 games he had 53pts and a 5.7% shooting%

McMichael - had 33pts in 80gp last season. He has 36pts already in 50gp.

Wilson - on pace for a career year in points at 30yrs old

Chychrun - I'll give them some credit here, but he's on pace to destroy his career best of 41pts with a 60pt season

Thompson - Was a ok starter the last few years and had a career GSAA of 21.4 through 103 games. He's already got a GSAA this season of 20.2 in 28gp.

Strome - On pace for a career best 77pt season. That one isn't as big a red flag since he's coming off back to back 65+ points seasons.

That team is riding the wave of adrenaline of Ovie chasing the all time goals record.

In general though, yes, they should be looking to re-tool and not rebuild. Identify who are your guys that are part your next 3-5 years and move on from those guys that are not in that plan. Look for younger players that need a change of scenery you can buy low on, but target guys that actually have talent (not your Jones & Comtois of the world). Most important though, bring in guys who have that mentality that no one is going to outwork them. Guys that are leaders and will hold everyone accountable.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

You could. I think some of the success is more guys having outlier seasons than anything else. If you look at their top producers....

Protas - has 42pts through 50 games with a 24% shooting%. In his previous 169 games he had 53pts and a 5.7% shooting%

McMichael - had 33pts in 80gp last season. He has 36pts already in 50gp.

Wilson - on pace for a career year in points at 30yrs old

Chychrun - I'll give them some credit here, but he's on pace to destroy his career best of 41pts with a 60pt season

Thompson - Was a ok starter the last few years and had a career GSAA of 21.4 through 103 games. He's already got a GSAA this season of 20.2 in 28gp.

Strome - On pace for a career best 77pt season. That one isn't as big a red flag since he's coming off back to back 65+ points seasons.

That team is riding the wave of adrenaline of Ovie chasing the all time goals record.

In general though, yes, they should be looking to re-tool and not rebuild. Identify who are your guys that are part your next 3-5 years and move on from those guys that are not in that plan. Look for younger players that need a change of scenery you can buy low on, but target guys that actually have talent (not your Jones & Comtois of the world). Most important though, bring in guys who have that mentality that no one is going to outwork them. Guys that are leaders and will hold everyone accountable.

I have suspicions on Russian athletes having outlier results.

 

[Dr Hook]

“How how do the Bruins build on that goal?”

Here’s the thing, Judd.

They don’t.

And there’s Motley Crue again!

I said almost the exact same thing while watching it

 

[wintersej]

Crazy how good Zadorov was against Colorado and how he turned hard back to bad Zadorov here.

 

[xStanleyCupsFor]

Sell! Sell! Sell!

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

In general though, yes, they should be looking to re-tool and not rebuild. Identify who are your guys that are part your next 3-5 years and move on from those guys that are not in that plan. Look for younger players that need a change of scenery you can buy low on, but target guys that actually have talent (not your Jones & Comtois of the world). Most important though, bring in guys who have that mentality that no one is going to outwork them. Guys that are leaders and will hold everyone accountable.

Definitely. Totally agree. Only problem will be that those are the guys everybody wants.

 

[ON3M4N]

Definitely. Totally agree. Only problem will be that those are the guys everybody wants.

I don't that's the case. Every team is at different stages. A team that's looking to go for a cup, isn't looking for a reclamation project. A bubble playoff team is looking for a proven contributor to help them get over the edge