Post-Game Talk: GAME 50 - B's lay a brontosaurus egg - Flames 4 BRUINS 1

[BMC]

Deserve a bag skate, get a day off. Sure why not.

Now this right here is bullshit. They didn't show up last night and they get a day off? After 9 days off previously?

 

[ODAAT]

Should we start a Gofundme page so we can buy the organization a truckload of these?:

my biggest concern for this team is an almost complete absence of any nasty in the lineup, a guy who despises when an opponent so much as looks to try and get in front of the net and hates losing even more

I think the team has a few like that in Marchy and Chuckie , I think the biggest challenge is, this isn`t an element that can be taught, I think a player either has it or doesn`t and even more sad, those players are fewer and farther between these days.

Looks like the B`s drafted a kid like that in Edwards but he`s waaay off from making the big club

 

[False Start]

Great, this is a lazy take. He's also not what this team or fans want from an offensive stand point, either.

What does Grzelcyk do that's good?

You keep parading this every game.

He's the best partner for McAvoy outside of Lindholm on this team.

Yeah, no one wants that to be the case, but Forbort, Lohrei, Wotherspoon, literally any of McAvoy's non-Lindholm partners are worse than Grzelcyk.

Here's my question: Lindholm and Carlo work well together. Carlo is noticeably worse with anyone not Lindholm.

What's easier? Finding a partner for Carlo or for McAvoy?

 

[ODAAT]

Now this right here is bullshit. They didn't show up last night and they get a day off? After 9 days off previously?

agreed but is this mandated by the NHL ?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

They weren't prepared to play after a long break, and yet they still came within a goal of tying early in the 3rd and had a PP, but the coaches weren't watching the bench when the Bruins extra player jumped on the ice. I can't remember a too many men penalty on the PP

This loss is mostly on you Monty


12 days in a row??

Too many men on the ice isn't the coaches fault.

No matter what Don Cherry said.

 

[trenton1]

Steen works hard, but he looks like a typical 6th rounder. Not really an NHL player.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Now this right here is bullshit. They didn't show up last night and they get a day off? After 9 days off previously?

The Coach is tired from celebrating his big victory at the all-star game.

Day off ? what a Fing joke

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Biggest thing I seen tonight was the difference between Heinen and Lucic. Also why this team won't win the cup and Lucic did.

I didn't even notice Lucic.

 

[Sheppy]

You keep parading this every game.

He's the best partner for McAvoy outside of Lindholm on this team.

Yeah, no one wants that to be the case, but Forbort, Lohrei, Wotherspoon, literally any of McAvoy's non-Lindholm partners are worse than Grzelcyk.

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Here's my question: Lindholm and Carlo work well together. Carlo is noticeably worse with anyone not Lindholm.

What's easier? Finding a partner for Carlo or for McAvoy?

He's a good partner with McAvoy, sure.

What does he do well as a defenseman? That's what's constantly getting lost here.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Too many men on the ice isn't the coaches fault.

No matter what Don Cherry said.

Pasta I believe came on with out a forward coming off

 

[Dr Hook]

Other than the fact he was on the ice not sure why all the Grzelcyk hate for the game.
First goal Heinen didn't commit to a player on the backcheck and messed up the 3-3.
The second goal Marchand did the same, left his guy after passing the puck to Kadri.
The third goal Huberdeau beat Mcavoy clean and came off the wall to shoot.
Is Grz my favorite D? No. Are there better choices? At times sure. But there was plenty of blame to go around last night. Even their fourth goal Hanafin looked like he was skating back in PeeWee doing whatever he wanted..

It's a broken record with the same few. After every loss, and even after some wins: roll out the whipping boy and have at it. It gets tiresome. I'd like to think that once he's gone, it will stop, but there will be a new one because This is the Way.

 

[Dr Hook]

He's a good partner with McAvoy, sure.

What does he do well as a defenseman? That's what's constantly getting lost here.

It isn't lost, he just is not a favorite for some because he's small and not physical (though he never gets credit for it when does occasionally take the body). I've always been a fan, and I admit he's not had a good season for the most part this year for whatever reason. In the past, when he's been at his best, he breaks up a lot of plays with a good stick, blocks a lot of shots, gaps up very well in neutral zone, is generally excellent with first passes out of the zone etc etc.He's never gotten credit for doing anything well by a certain segment of the fanbase because he is not what they want in a defenseman, but that is different from being ineffective.

I think it's totally cool to not like the player or the style and want a bigger, more physical guy in his role, but that is a different thing from just saying he sucks as a defenseman when that is objectively not true. It is the same point I made about Don Sweeney. Grz will likely play over 600 games in the NHL before he's done and no one does that if they aren't NHL caliber players with valuable skill sets.

 

[Sheppy]

It isn't lost, he just is not a favorite for some because he's small and not physical (though he never gets credit for it when does occasionally take the body). I've always been a fan, and I admit he's not had a good season for the most part this year for whatever reason. In the past, when he's been at his best, he breaks up a lot of plays with a good stick, blocks a lot of shots, gaps up very well in neutral zone, is generally excellent with first passes out of the zone etc etc.He's never gotten credit for doing anything well by a certain segment of the fanbase because he is not what they want in a defenseman, but that is different from being ineffective.

I think it's totally cool to not like the player or the style and want a bigger, more physical guy in his role, but that is a different thing from just saying he sucks as a defenseman when that is objectively not true. It is the same point I made about Don Sweeney. Grz will likely play over 600 games in the NHL before he's done and no one does that if they aren't NHL caliber players with valuable skill sets.

My thing is... when the game gets heavier and more intense come April, he withers away. He's piss poor in the post season.

You look at his regular season numbers and then look at his post season numbers. They essentially do a 180.

I think there are better options out there and why the Bruins haven't tried exploring them is beyond me.

 

[Carl Hungus]

I think gryz is just the lightning rod for a wider roster problem that's been discussed time after time. Need some grit. Gryz hasn't been playing well and seems like an easy target to replace with someone meaner, but that person needs to be able to play with McAvoy too right? I'm no expert but I don't really see an achievable solution on the trade market for both physicality and the skillset to be a McAvoy partner. So it's frustrating.

I think everyone knows that added physicality is needed, some just have different top priorities. One side is arguing for physical adds and they're right. The other side is arguing that there are other problems to consider and that the team has performed well and they're right too. Ideally they would be able to add both but with the Cap and limited assets they may not even be able to add much of either until the offseason.

 

[BMC]

This and this again. We are either going to be first in the conference or second. I don’t see NYR catching us, FLA is the team to watch, not just down the stretch but the playoffs too and for me it’s their toughness. Can we match them in that regard in the playoffs? Or Vegas? Or the Canucks……? Let’s see tomorrow how tough they are as I haven’t watched much of them but Tocchet is no pushover. If we see some things we saw last night (which we will) then yes Cam and Don need to fix that and not hope some guys suddenly play bigger than they are. I still cannot believe we have to talk about a Bruins team, again, needing to add toughness.

Don't forget Carolina. IDK where they are now in the standings but they give the Bruins fits with their physicality. I'm sensing a theme here....

What bothered me was the lack of effort. Going to have games where things dont work but no excuses for not giving your all. Floating around all night. I refused to watch the third period because of the effort.

This. If they're not going to make the effort there's no reason why I should either.

 

[HumBucker]

Bruins struggle against physical teams.

They went through the motions all night, and Calgary wanted it more.

Which teams are the physical teams?

 

[BMC]

My thing is... when the game gets heavier and more intense come April, he withers away. He's piss poor in the post season.

You look at his regular season numbers and then look at his post season numbers. They essentially do a 180.

I think there are better options out there and why the Bruins haven't tried exploring them is beyond me.

I trace that back to 2018 vs Tampa Bay. He got pounded mercilessly. It got to the point where he heard someone coming when they weren't & just gave up the puck.

 

[Dr Hook]

My thing is... when the game gets heavier and more intense come April, he withers away. He's piss poor in the post season.

You look at his regular season numbers and then look at his post season numbers. They essentially do a 180.

I think there are better options out there and why the Bruins haven't tried exploring them is beyond me.

From my perspective, and you aren't totally wrong, it's the way he gets deployed in the playoffs. Bruce and then Monty used him differently from the regular season, though he was good in the 19 run. I also think he has an issue with staying healthy (and maybe this is part of the changed deployment) being a smaller guy in his position. That goes back to his time at BU. I am not against moving him, or letting him go at the end of the season, but he's typically been far from the main problem when the Bruins loses. He takes far more shit and blame than he deserves around here.

 

[BMC]

agreed but is this mandated by the NHL ?

Really?

 

[Dr Hook]

I trace that back to 2018 vs Tampa Bay. He got pounded mercilessly. It got to the point where he heard someone coming when they weren't & just gave up the puck.

But he was good in the 19 almost Cup until he got cheap shotted and concussed by Sundquist. Gryz was not great vs Tampa in that series, but almost the whole D corps was pounded into submission by a better team with a heavy forecheck. They were relentless and they did it to everyone, not just Grz.

 

[BMC]

While we're complaining about the defense, wtf is up with Hampus Lindholm? He played really well last season but has struggled just about all of this season. Is it mental? Does he have a physical issue? Is it both?

 

[ODAAT]

Really?

I thought the NHL or players association have something in the CBA that mandates a team specific days off? Surely someone on here who knows more than I do can answer

 

[sarge88]

Now this right here is bullshit. They didn't show up last night and they get a day off? After 9 days off previously?

Has anyone seen an explanation?

I find it silly to think this is a reward of any kind.

I really think something is running through the locker room and they don’t want it to spread any more than it has….so they’re keeping everyone separated for the day.

Just basing this on the fact that there is so much illness going around at the moment in the area.

 

[ODAAT]

While we're complaining about the defense, wtf is up with Hampus Lindholm? He played really well last season but has struggled just about all of this season. Is it mental? Does he have a physical issue? Is it both?

definitely not what I`d call the best defender , not sure but offensively, he had such an outlier year offensively last year, he`s pretty much on track for what I would call his average for offence though, super slow start which I think was due to his injury but he`s simply not looked nearly as confident this year has he?

 

[Dr Hook]

While we're complaining about the defense, wtf is up with Hampus Lindholm? He played really well last season but has struggled just about all of this season. Is it mental? Does he have a physical issue? Is it both?

He has been overall pretty meh to poor all season. It looked like he was turning a corner after the Christmas break. but he looked rubbish last night. I am not even thinking about offensive production here, but his defending has been below his career standard, and his first passes out of the zone have been generally off as well as decision-making.