Post-Game Talk: Game # 47 - Rangers vs Flyers - 7pm - MSG

[FireGerardGallant]

So when can we buyout Kreider and it actually be worth it?

 

[egelband]

Fox looks pissed and tired, at least someone on the team gives a shit.

This is really the crux of the problem. We have a lot of brainiacs and not enough jyds. There’s a tipping point. You can have a couple coolos like Kreider and Mika. Nothing wrong with them. But you need to balance them with a couple dogs like Marchand and Messier. Panarin has heart for sure. But they need more.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Brian Elliot beats us again lol. Lose tomorrow. Maybe Nashville passes us too we can slide a few more spots up in the draft...only to not draft a center lol

Maybe a goalie?

 

[NYSPORTS]

Gorton must be sitting up in the press box these last few weeks with his head in his hands saying “why on earth did we keep Kreider?”

oh please, he should jump if he thought 7 years was a good idea.

 

[Esa 10]

I would beg, bribe and threaten Kreider to waive for the expansion draft.

I'd like to point out that this team's procession to the penalty box in the 2nd started with a careless hook by Kreider. And people post we lack on ice leadership. /s
Kreider has been playing low intensity, polite, country club hockey since signing his extension. Not that he was a fireball of energy before, but at least he used to show up more than half the time. Has Kreider been noticeable in even a third of our games this year? He showed up for 1 of 3 bubble games against Carolina, so he's probably done that much overall this year.
Our younger and peripheral guys are likely taking their cues from Chris. Is that good leadership going forward?

 

[Leonardo87]

So when can we buyout Kreider and it actually be worth it?

The Rangers will still be paying for Brad Richards by then.

 

[Unpredictable1]

I would beg, bribe and threaten Kreider to waive for the expansion draft.

He’s a passenger. He puts up points, despite his hot/cold gig but he doesn’t drive play and he brings no intensity despite having THE best toolset to do so on the roster, if not one of the best in the league. He plays like he’s Blackwell’s size and Blackwell plays like he’s Kreider’s. His contract will be an anchor and the team needs a different flavor. We’re not moving Bread, Laf or KK. There’s no room in the top six for Kreider going forward and he doesn’t justify that money on the third line. His production will also plummet with significantly reduced minutes.

Team needs a top six player who has a motor and an edge. We don’t have a single one on the roster. A 4th liner like Lemieux wouldn’t change shit. It has to be an impact player.

Absolutely agree. My only gripe with Kreider since forever is lack of intensity. If he had HALF of Brendan Gallagher to his playing style...oh boy...

 

[egelband]

Honestly, I kind of hope they lose enough where he's forced to can him.

Like it or now they won’t fire a coach who has been objectively successful in developing the team. If they backslide next year, maybe. But for now he’s doing exactly what he was hired to do. Next year, expectations are higher.

 

[egelband]

I'm not even sure what Kreider does at this point.

He has been so bad...I can only guess he’s injured. Wish they’d explain though. It’s bizarre, to say the least.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Amazing first period. Lost the momentum w penalties and a turrrible last 40 min.

Igor was really good. Though Kakko, Kravtsov, and Lafreniere all flashed nicely as well.

 

[Esa 10]

Absolutely agree. My only gripe with Kreider since forever is lack of intensity. If he had HALF of Brendan Gallagher to his playing style...oh boy...

Back in his Anaheim days Burke said Bobby Ryan doesn't know how to spell intensity. Does Kreider know the meaning of this word? He really looks like a throwback to the late 90's-early 00's Ranger players this year.

 

[huerter]

I would beg, bribe and threaten Kreider to waive for the expansion draft.

He’s a passenger. He puts up points, despite his hot/cold gig but he doesn’t drive play and he brings no intensity despite having THE best toolset to do so on the roster, if not one of the best in the league. He plays like he’s Blackwell’s size and Blackwell plays like he’s Kreider’s. His contract will be an anchor and the team needs a different flavor. We’re not moving Bread, Laf or KK. There’s no room in the top six for Kreider going forward and he doesn’t justify that money on the third line. His production will also plummet with significantly reduced minutes.

Team needs a top six player who has a motor and an edge. We don’t have a single one on the roster. A 4th liner like Lemieux wouldn’t change shit. It has to be an impact player.

Dude, if Seattle is reading this then you just alerted them not to select him. Good job.

 

[egelband]

Ya, it feels like management is caught between stay the course and do something big this summer. We need to see what we have here with all these kids left and right without adding a single dollar we can't afford to give out for one final maybe-maybe not playoff expectations year.

And the biggest thing to do might be to generally stay the course. Tough decisions for the FO.

 

[Fitzy]

Seasons over. No excuse to be leaning on the veteran forwards for the rest of the season.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Quinn is going to keep trying to win for the playoffs till they are officially eliminated. Which is a mistake if he keeps forcing struggling vets, the Blackwell experiment is over now, I think he should move the kids up, roll these lines...

Lafreniere - Mika - Buchnevich
Panarin - Strome - Kravtsov
Kreider - Chytil - Kakko
4th line

What do you think?

Those are the lines that I want to see too. And I'd like for Quinn to tell the guys that this is it, these are your linemates until the end of the season. No more looking over their shoulders; just do their best to win.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Like it or now they won’t fire a coach who has been objectively successful in developing the team. If they backslide next year, maybe. But for now he’s doing exactly what he was hired to do. Next year, expectations are higher.

I don't really see this success. I guess with the defensemen and Buchnevich, but the way he has handled Kakko, Laf, Kravtsov, and Chytil leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[bl02]

Bottom line as a team we have regressed even with the influx of young talent. Last year our record will most likely be better than this years. you are your record

 

[CLW]

Amazing first period. Lost the momentum w penalties and a turrrible last 40 min.

Igor was really good. Though Kakko, Kravtsov, and Lafreniere all flashed nicely as well.

I agree. For one period.

But these flashes of on/off good/bad here/there nonsense is because the team lacks an underlying structure and coaching. Panarin slows the game, down, so everyone slows the game down. The Rangers play soooo slow much of the time. Zib is doing his thing, a wrecking ball blasting pucks all over the place and quite often in goal. Buch is solid on his wing, Kreider is coasting, Strome waiting to pick an opportunity with Panarin, Chytil is 21 and needs to be pushed out there and coached to take the next step, but he hardly sees the ice, he played 11 minutes... and it just goes on and on like that.

Bring in professionals to sort it out, make the team play like a Team and create a structure for the kids to build around, one that can always be fine tuned later. Don't make it some boring Boston or Philly (Knoblauch) template, these kids (eg Laf, Kakko, Kravtsov, Miller, Fox etc.) are not made for that kind of hockey and I don't think it makes any sense for the vets either.

 

[The New Russian Five]

Everyone needs to calm down. This was a weird year. Everyone looked bad after the extended Covid off season, Mika especially was impacted by Covid, the ADA incident, the Panarin-Putin ordeal, the Chytil injury, Kakko getting covid just as he was making a big step forward, Shesty getting injured, stuck playing only East division teams, coaching staff getting covid.

I don't think you can glean a lot from this season to be honest. It was just such a weird year. Personally I think its time to move on from Quinn, but if he stays for one more shot with this roster, I guess I would be ok with it.

But for f***s sakes, dump Howden!

 

[SML2]

Fox looks gassed to me. He should be. Quinn plays him like he's the only option all of the time. If this were an 82 game season, he would come crashing to earth like a meteor coming down the stretch from overuse. Jones was good to watch but he's not ready. It will be good to give him a few games to see what he's up against and then go have a real good off season training and getting ready. Even in his first game, he's a better option than KAM on the PP. The vets seem to be the ones that are coming unglued, taking bad penalties, etc. Anyway, it's been a good run, but alot of shit beyond control went wrong. I'm proud of the boys anyway.

 

[Esa 10]

I don't really see this success. I guess with the defensemen and Buchnevich, but the way he has handled Kakko, Laf, Kravtsov, and Chytil leaves a lot to be desired.

The lack of meaningful ice time for Kravtsov is what's truly bewildering. I get why Quinn is hesitant to use the youngest guys in the heat of trying to win a game and leans on vets, but Kravtsov has been invariably noticeable in a good way and looks surprisingly polished defensively. He looks more dangerous at ES than the current version of Kreider, Blackwell, Kakko or Laf. It's like Quinn doesn't have a good in game read on which players are going.

 

[bl02]

Everyone needs to calm down. This was a weird year. Everyone looked bad after the extended Covid off season, Mika especially was impacted by Covid, the ADA incident, the Panarin-Putin ordeal, the Chytil injury, Kakko getting covid just as he was making a big step forward, Shesty getting injured, stuck playing only East division teams, coaching staff getting covid.

I don't think you can glean a lot from this season to be honest. It was just such a weird year. Personally I think its time to move on from Quinn, but if he stays for one more shot with this roster, I guess I would be ok with it.

But for f***s sakes, dump Howden!

You would be ok with the same lineups next year? With the same pp lineup game after game after game? While none of Kakko Laf or Kravtsov get any kind of relevant pp time?

 

[bl02]

The lack of meaningful ice time for Kravtsov is what's truly bewildering. I get why Quinn is hesitant to use the youngest guys in the heat of trying to win a game and leans on vets, but Kravtsov has been invariably noticeable in a good way and looks surprisingly polished defensively. He looks more dangerous at ES than the current version of Kreider, Blackwell, Kakko or Laf. It's like Quinn doesn't have a good in game read on which players are going.

And what makes it even worse blackwell and probably even kreider are not gonna be relevant when we truly and hopefully contend for a cup. Continuing to play blackwell and even kreider over Kravtsov is a joke. Not giving any of the young kids a sniff of ice time in the final minutes. What are we trying to do here? Kakko Laf and Kravtsov are supposed to be the future no?

 

[The New Russian Five]

You would be ok with the same lineups next year? With the same pp lineup game after game after game? While none of Kakko Laf or Kravtsov get any kind of relevant pp time?

I guess I should add the caveat that Quinn would probably trust his younger players more by next year. (One would hope).

 

[CLW]

The lack of meaningful ice time for Kravtsov is what's truly bewildering. I get why Quinn is hesitant to use the youngest guys in the heat of trying to win a game and leans on vets, but Kravtsov has been invariably noticeable in a good way and looks surprisingly polished defensively. He looks more dangerous at ES than the current version of Kreider, Blackwell, Kakko or Laf. It's like Quinn doesn't have a good in game read on which players are going.

He doesn't. Quinn's idea of structure is SENIORITY and he bases his template for ice time according to that. Maybe it's a cultural thing but it's absurd to me, especially in a team like the Rangers that's supposed to nurture TALENT. Why shelter the kids to the point of absurdity when they are the ones going?