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Post-Game Talk: GAME 44 - Tampa 4 BRUINS 1

Sheppy said:
He's not from Massachusetts, and isn't projected to go 57th overall. I don't trust Donny there.


That doesn't really tell you much when you consider the fact that Beecher isn't really any good. He's a 1st round pick with a bottom 6 ceiling at best.
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He's good enough to play in the NHL.

Vancouver had the 5th pick overall in that draft and took Olli Juolevi, defenseman. He played 41 NHL games for 3 different teams, was then released by Arizona before playing a single game for them in 2023. Next pick in the draft was Matthew Tkachuk. If they really needed a dman, they could have drafted Sergachev, McAvoy or Chychrun. Can you imagine the reaction here if Sweeney made that pick? The two picks before Tage Thompson was picked 24th were Max Jones and Riley Tufte. The pick before Trent Frederic was Lucas Johansen, who had a 9 game career in the NHL.

Point is that the draft is such a crap shoot that its really ridiculous to criticize picks made out of the top 10 or 12 who actually turned out to be NHL players.
 
this team is tough to watch and i didn't book our usual trip up to see them play just can't justify the money being spent. I am sure JJ must be going nuts on the possibility of not making the playoffs and that extra cash.
 
Dennis Bonvie said:
He's good enough to play in the NHL.

Vancouver had the 5th pick overall in that draft and took Olli Juolevi, defenseman. He played 41 NHL games for 3 different teams, was then released by Arizona before playing a single game for them in 2023. Next pick in the draft was Matthew Tkachuk. If they really needed a dman, they could have drafted Sergachev, McAvoy or Chychrun. Can you imagine the reaction here if Sweeney made that pick? The two picks before Tage Thompson was picked 24th were Max Jones and Riley Tufte. The pick before Trent Frederic was Lucas Johansen, who had a 9 game career in the NHL.

Point is that the draft is such a crap shoot that its really ridiculous to criticize picks made out of the top 10 or 12 who actually turned out to be NHL players.
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Sure, he's good enough to play in the NHL but he's a dime a dozen player. You can find 30 John Beechers in free agency. I do agree that the draft is a crapshoot to a degree, but Beecher was drafted to be the player he currently is.
 
Asking as an outsider, how you guy feel about Joe?
Should he get axed of he not the issue?

EDIT: not now I guess, but do you see a future for him as head coach for the B
 
TCB said:
O' no thats fine if Drafting 3-4th liners as their upside in the first round makes it a successful draft for you. I'd just like to maybe draft those guys a little later. Hell u can signed them as FA during the off season. In 2019 Kastelic was drafted in the 5/6 round and has double the goals in his career as Beecher. Pinto was drafted just a few picks after Beecher went, a skilled player who'd Id much rather see them take a chance on with their first rounder. In 2019,skilled players went in the second round in Kyro,Debrincant and Fox . I much rather see an Organization take a shot at a prospect who's has a higher ceiling offensively than a player who's projected to be a 3rd or 4th liner in the NHL, because those type players are a dime a dozen and as you can see Sweeney has the market on them.
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They did take Pasta way back when late in the first round. Lysell seems to be that type of offensive player. Poitras another. Letourneau is a shoot for the moon pick.

But it's still a crap shoot. All those players you mentioned were passed over by every team in the league at least one, some twice. Taking them wasn't obvious.

But I do understand your objection to having a philosophy of playing it safe.
 
Dennis Bonvie said:
He's good enough to play in the NHL.

Vancouver had the 5th pick overall in that draft and took Olli Juolevi, defenseman. He played 41 NHL games for 3 different teams, was then released by Arizona before playing a single game for them in 2023. Next pick in the draft was Matthew Tkachuk. If they really needed a dman, they could have drafted Sergachev, McAvoy or Chychrun. Can you imagine the reaction here if Sweeney made that pick? The two picks before Tage Thompson was picked 24th were Max Jones and Riley Tufte. The pick before Trent Frederic was Lucas Johansen, who had a 9 game career in the NHL.

Point is that the draft is such a crap shoot that its really ridiculous to criticize picks made out of the top 10 or 12 who actually turned out to be NHL players.
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I think you can criticize Boston's drafting philosophy all day long.

Beecher is just one of many. Their drafting MO is maddening and it goes much further back than Sweeney as GM.
 
Sheppy said:
Sure, he's good enough to play in the NHL but he's a dime a dozen player. You can find 30 John Beechers in free agency. I do agree that the draft is a crapshoot to a degree, but Beecher was drafted to be the player he currently is.
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I don't think that's true.

You don't know an 18 year old kid is never going to develop any offensive game. He was big, could skate and was going to Michigan, a great college program. Remember too that the B's had just gone to game 7 (at home) of the Cup finals. There wasn't a need to go out on a limb with the first pick, especially after the fiasco of 2015.
 
TCB said:
He doesn't stand a chance, no fault of his own. He was put into a can't win situation by Sweeney. I feel even if the bruins do make the playoffs he'll be replaced.
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They need to replace Sweeney you ask me.Who the hell trusts him to fix this because I certainly do not get the feeling he is capable too.Just looking over his drafts..54 picks and 20 played in the NHL but he never really hit on anything far as skill wise
 
Bruinfanatic said:
Not even convinced he should be even on the team anymore he is absolutely brutal on defence,maybe try him as a forward
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Big/tall players take longer to develop. Look at Chara. At 23yrs old he was a -27 which was worst on his team. He wasn't any better at his 22yr old season either. At 24 though he started to figure it out and was getting Norris votes, but it wasn't until he hit 30yrs old that he became a regular finalist for the Norris. Tage Thompson is another good example. He played 145 games through his age 23 season and managed 18G / 35P. His age 24 season he popped off for 38G / 68P.

This is why I'm dreading the development of Dean Letourneau. Fans are going to be ready to write this kid off in 4yrs at 22yrs old because he's not dominating the league.
 
When the PP is costing goals against when you’re playing somewhat decent than it’s time to rethink your entires and who’s on the ice maybe even start with 2 defenders heck stick Zadorov in front of the net but to keep running it back with the same crap is ridiculous .. Chris Kelly needs to be removed from these duties I like the person but he has no business running the PP period that’s like having Jay Leach being the goaltending coach ffs stupidity how does the brain trust not realize this..
 
BergyWho37 said:
When the PP is costing goals against when you’re playing somewhat decent than it’s time to rethink your entires and who’s on the ice maybe even start with 2 defenders heck stick Zadorov in front of the net but to keep running it back with the same crap is ridiculous .. Chris Kelly needs to be removed from these duties I like the person but he has no business running the PP period that’s like having Jay Leach being the goaltending coach ffs stupidity how does the brain trust not realize this..
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Leach might do a better job coaching the goalies than the defense
 
Sheppy said:
If you ask Marchand to go on LTIR he would tell this team to pound sand so quickly and they can't afford that. That would be a catastrophic mistake.
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Will depend on how physically fit he is. He already said he won't be 100% until camp next year. I'll wait and see how he is first.
 
TCB said:
like I said you can make an argument for Point, he's a great player but you take Kucherov who's a magician and Hedman away from him and give them to Pasta. He'd be winning the Rocket year after year.
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Point is an elite center. I am taking an elite center over a winger like Pastrnak.
In 2018 PO, his line dominated The Perfection Line and Chara was still a very good dman.
 
ON3M4N said:
Big/tall players take longer to develop. Look at Chara. At 23yrs old he was a -27 which was worst on his team. He wasn't any better at his 22yr old season either. At 24 though he started to figure it out and was getting Norris votes, but it wasn't until he hit 30yrs old that he became a regular finalist for the Norris. Tage Thompson is another good example. He played 145 games through his age 23 season and managed 18G / 35P. His age 24 season he popped off for 38G / 68P.

This is why I'm dreading the development of Dean Letourneau. Fans are going to be ready to write this kid off in 4yrs at 22yrs old because he's not dominating the league.
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There is no comparison between Lohrei and Chara.

Ends at both are tall.
 
hrdpuk said:
Rebuild should start with management
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This is where I am. Fire everybody except Essensa. Bring in a president & GM from outside the Bruins Old Boy Network. Tell them they have 4 seasons to right the ship & then let them get on with it. IOW no pressure (implied or overt) to make the playoffs just to maximize gate/concession revenue- DNQs are acceptable if the team is truly moving upward both in the standings and prospects.

I know the latter won't happen but a girl can dream....I'm nearly 62 and I want to see them win another Cup before I kick the bucket 🪣
 
Dennis Bonvie said:
We disagree.
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Where are Zach Senyshyn and Jakub Zboril right now? Because it was the same concept. All-world athletic gifts, 10 cent hockey brains.

This MO of drafting guys who impress with height/weight/mobility has been a failure far more often than it has been a success.

Max Jones, Riley Tufte, same idea. Not Bruin draftees but high picks that looked the part but clearly it's their ability to think the game that holds them back.

The early returns on Dean Letourneau aren't exactly inspiring awe.

I could keep going with examples but I'll stop there.
 
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