Post-Game Talk: GAME 44 - Tampa 4 BRUINS 1

[Babajingo]

I'll take the risk of a Retool/Rebuild any day of the week, over 10 years of mediocrity. But I'm not Mr. Burns.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

A general manager does desperate things sometimes when their job is on the line.

They’ve already fired the coach. Who is next to go, assuming things continue to spiral and this ends in a DNQ?

And what is that person willing to do to prevent that? Will ownership step in and veto the spending of assets?

If they are 6-7 points out of a PO spot at 4 Nations, I would LTIR 88, 63 & 27 and
make a mess for Misa.

Also trade Frederic for a '25 2nd rounder.

 

[TCB]

I was so excited when Gorton was available a few years ago. Oh well. We get stuck with SeaBass and the Professor.

yep and all he's done was went to the rags and help rebuild them (Drury doing his best to tear it apart) and now he's rebuilding the habs.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Well when your draft philosophy is drafting guys in the first round as you see as 3rd liners in the NHL, (Beecher/Frederic) your not going to have to many. lol

Sweeney needs to walk the plank......

There were 11 first round picks in 2019 who have played less NHL game than Beecher. Considering the Bruins drafted 30th I'd say they did pretty well there.

14 first round picks in 2016 have played less NHL games than Frederic, who was drafted 29th. The Bruins also had the 14th pick in that draft and picked Charlie McAvoy. That pick has worked out pretty well.

 

[Sheppy]

If they are 6-7 points out of a PO spot at 4 Nations, I would LTIR 88, 63 & 27 and
make a mess for Misa.

Also trade Frederic for a '25 2nd rounder.

He's not from Massachusetts, and isn't projected to go 57th overall. I don't trust Donny there.

There were 11 first round picks in 2019 who have played less NHL game than Beecher. Considering the Bruins drafted 30th I'd say they did pretty well there.

14 first round picks in 2016 have played less NHL games than Frederic, who was drafted 29th. The Bruins also had the 14th pick in that draft and picked Charlie McAvoy. That pick has worked out pretty well.

That doesn't really tell you much when you consider the fact that Beecher isn't really any good. He's a 1st round pick with a bottom 6 ceiling at best.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

The problem IMO is they already made their bed. Hard to do a full rebuild with those 3 albatross contracts on the books for years to come. Once they went all in on Elias and Zadorov, the decision was made. I don't know if any of them are moveable. Maybe Zadorov but he has a no-move this year and a full no-trade next year and he's been OK here. I can't see any GM watching what Elias is bringing and activity saying they want the next 6 years of that.

Almost seems pointless to move a Pasta or McAvoy or Swayman to start a tear down rebuild with those other contracts hanging around their necks.

It might take this season and all of next season to work it all out. A call-up here, a trade there, a signing here.

The futures of Marchand, Coyle, Frederic, Brazeau and Carlo should be where their focus is.

Problem is I think the vision of Sweeney and Neely is completely flawed.

I agree with you on the prognosis, so if they are 6-7 points out of a PO spot after
the 4 Nations I would try to convince #88, #63 and 27 to go on LTIR to seasons end. Hope the lottery balls fall and you walk away with a top 3 pick. Trade Frederic for a prospect or 2nd round pick.

 

[smithformeragent]

10 years ago the Bruins had a minor blip when they missed the playoffs on the last weekend of the season in 2015 and 2016.

6 straight losses and the only game they banked a point was when Swayman didn't play and he has played his heart out.

Delaware North needs to fire Neely NOW and find a president for hockey ops who in turn finds a new GM.

The person that could do it Jeff Gorton is not available as he is happily rebuilding Poutineville.



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Would they make the move now or wait for the DNQ?

President sets the culture and identifies the guy they want shopping for the groceries.

GM hires the coach to implement the style while either tinkering with, or napalming the roster.

Will Charlie push the nuclear button?

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

The Bruins played 839 games between their last 6-game losing streak and this one.

If the current streak reaches seven games, it'll have been 1,312 games (February 2010) between 7-game losing streaks. *That 2010 streak was actually ten losses in a row.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

That's my take away as well. McAvoy is your #1 and Zadorov has played all over on defense.

Don't have the numbers, but it seems McAvoy & Zadorov have played their best together.

 

[Jorah Marshmont]

Based on point%, they’d have the 11th overall pick if the season ended today.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Now you sound like a pom pom waiver, Its instinct and talent that puts that pressure on the killers,

Mason wouldn't sniff Tampa's third unit on a power play. Its just proof of how bad this teams roster is.

Hell I would trade Pasta straight up for either Point Or Hagel, I doubt Tampa would, these are guys you win with, complete hockey players not a one trick pony that kills you as much as helps you.

This Bruins management just will never get it, Bring in a hockey guy that can build a team and make hard choices.

The Swayman deal will be the final nail in DS's departure, terrible contract for a middle of the road goaltender. He got fleeced


I think rating a prospect pool is like predicting a winning lottery ticket

Point has been more impactful then #88 for years.

 

[Therewolf31]

I’m really nervous that Sweeney will feel pressure to trade multiple 1sts plus others to make the wild card. Even if he did dangle that, I’m not sure that would get Miller. Bruins have a horrible prospect ranking year in and year out. I think the Athletic has them at 30th, up from 32 so there’s progress. But keep trading high picks and you’re going to have to keep overpaying mid talent. The rebuild is coming whether Jacobs wants it or not, hopefully it happens before Marchand retires and Pasta loses his value

I don’t trust sweeney to make the right moves if they start moving players

The more I think about it, I don’t think I trust a guy who kept Gryzz here as long as he did to run this team nor do I trust a president who doesn’t seem to be in sync with his gm nor place any emphasis on building a team that’s actually tough and mean

It’s an embarrassment

If I own the team it’s time to identify outside talent and clean house.

Zadorov back to Vancouver as a start!

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Lol
Tampa isn't that much of a better team than the Bruins. They certainly didn't wow me. I wouldn't trade Pasta for either although Point you can make an argument for,but Hagel although a very good player isn't in the elite class as those two.

Bruins management Ditto! Swayman although I didnt care for the way he handled the offseason, is starting to come around, I have way more concerned with the Money and contract he handed out to Lindholm

Come on man, not a single GM taking #88 over #21.

 

[BruinDust]

I agree with you on the prognosis, so if they are 6-7 points out of a PO spot after
the 4 Nations I would try to convince #88, #63 and 27 to go on LTIR to seasons end. Hope the lottery balls fall and you walk away with a top 3 pick. Trade Frederic for a prospect or 2nd round pick.

Why Marchand though? I want him healthy and playing for the trade deadline. If he's not being re-signed or they can't come to terms on an extension, they have to trade him.

Imagine a seller having the biggest name UFA at the deadline and holding onto him just to loose him this summer.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Based on point%, they’d have the 11th overall pick if the season ended today.

Make a mess for Misa.

 

[BruinDust]

Don't have the numbers, but it seems McAvoy & Zadorov have played their best together.

McAvoy is the best partner for Zadorov. No question about it.

Problem is, Zadorov is not the best partner for McAvoy. You want to get the most out of McAvoy you need someone on his opposite side who has mobility and touch in the offensive zone.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Why Marchand though? I want him healthy and playing for the trade deadline. If he's not being re-signed or they can't come to terms on an extension, they have to trade him.

Imagine a seller having the biggest name UFA at the deadline and holding onto him just to loose him this summer.

Yeah, I can definitely see your point .

 

[chrisab123]

He's not from Massachusetts, and isn't projected to go 57th overall. I don't trust Donny there.


That doesn't really tell you much when you consider the fact that Beecher isn't really any good. He's a 1st round pick with a bottom 6 ceiling at best.

I mean Beecher is a symptom of the problem, but he does have good size so maybe he can turn into something, tough to write off a 23 year old. But Sweeney if you recall was drafting Americans who were guys he could throw into the 3rd or 4th line instead of people who had a higher bust rate but higher ceiling. Will Beecher probably become a top 6 forward? Probably not. But he should carve out a career if things work out as a 4th liner. But that’s the problem this team finds themselves in because they needed to contend now instead of developing. It happens, but the fact that it happened year in and out is why the Bruins are in the situation they’re in now. You have a bunch of 2nd round knockouts and a total no show in Game 7 of the SCF vs St Louis on your home ice and you really have nothing to show for it now.

But yeah in a nutshell hopefully they get something out of him and look at him for what he probably will be and stop thinking about Beecher as a 1st rounder miss.

Zadorov back to Vancouver as a start!

I heard he kept Miller’s massage parlor addiction in check. (Not really but whatever gets Vancouver to take on that contract )

 

[hrdpuk]

Rebuild should start with management

 

[Sheppy]

If you ask Marchand to go on LTIR he would tell this team to pound sand so quickly and they can't afford that. That would be a catastrophic mistake.

 

[Babajingo]

Based on point%, they’d have the 11th overall pick if the season ended today.

Don't tell Prof Sweeny that. He'll trade it for Logan Couture or some other Mid-30s average player.

 

[hrdpuk]

Rebuild starting with management. Clean House

 

[Sheppy]

I mean Beecher is a symptom of the problem, but he does have good size so maybe he can turn into something, tough to write off a 23 year old. But Sweeney if you recall was drafting Americans who were guys he could throw into the 3rd or 4th line instead of people who had a higher bust rate but higher ceiling. Will Beecher probably become a top 6 forward? Probably not. But he should carve out a career if things work out as a 4th liner. But that’s the problem this team finds themselves in because they needed to contend now instead of developing. It happens, but the fact that it happened year in and out is why the Bruins are in the situation they’re in now. You have a bunch of 2nd round knockouts and a total no show in Game 7 of the SCF vs St Louis on your home ice and you really have nothing to show for it now.

But yeah in a nutshell hopefully they get something out of him and look at him for what he probably will be and stop thinking about Beecher as a 1st rounder miss.


I heard he kept Miller’s massage parlor addiction in check. (Not really but whatever gets Vancouver to take on that contract )

In my opinion you don't draft players in the 1st round in hopes they'll become solid "4th liners" or bottom 6 players. That right there is the issue.

I'd rather go another route with an offensively talented player who can produce, then work on his overall game.

 

[TP70BruinsCup]

Sad that this may be the beginning of the “end”. Entering my 48th year of fandom, I’ll be here for whatever

I’m the same. My earliest memory was the Jonathan & Bouchard fight. Bruins all the way from that day forward come hell or high water! But now it looks like some very long nights and even seasons ahead. We need a major rebuild not a retool with new voices all around: coaching, players, FO, scouts….. It’s time. This doesn’t takeaway from the success they have had over a number of years, but it’s inevitable. This is why I want nothing to do with the Canuck trade rumors. Move out the guys that need to go for draft choices and prospects and even cap space only. We don’t have to become the next Buffalo or Detroit….but we could very well end up like them if this isn’t done right.

Let’s go Bruins!

 

[TCB]

There were 11 first round picks in 2019 who have played less NHL game than Beecher. Considering the Bruins drafted 30th I'd say they did pretty well there.

14 first round picks in 2016 have played less NHL games than Frederic, who was drafted 29th. The Bruins also had the 14th pick in that draft and picked Charlie McAvoy. That pick has worked out pretty well.

O' no thats fine if Drafting 3-4th liners as their upside in the first round makes it a successful draft for you. I'd just like to maybe draft those guys a little later. Hell u can signed them as FA during the off season. In 2019 Kastelic was drafted in the 5/6 round and has double the goals in his career as Beecher. Pinto was drafted just a few picks after Beecher went, a skilled player who'd Id much rather see them take a chance on with their first rounder. In 2019,skilled players went in the second round in Kyro,Debrincant and Fox . I much rather see an Organization take a shot at a prospect who's has a higher ceiling offensively than a player who's projected to be a 3rd or 4th liner in the NHL, because those type players are a dime a dozen and as you can see Sweeney has the market on them.