GDT: Game 37: Red Wings vs pens 8:00 pm et 12/31/24

[Snuggs]

The Todd Father. I like it.

Team looks different the past two games.

21 more wins!

 

[HoweFan]

Watching Malkin's nonsense tonight made me discover that I am still viscerally angry about the instigator non-suspension in '09. Like literally getting hot under the collar at the thought of it.
Am I just good at holding a grudge, or is 15 years just not long enough?

Nah you are good. I have the same hatred. I despise Bettman even more when he just laughed and said the rule wasn’t meant for guys like Malkin. Another 10 years and I should get over it. I’m old enough that I might be dead by then so I’m good with that

Everyone is a good player when we are on a winning streak.

 

[Holden Caufield]

Team is looking competent/competitive again.

Nice to have some watchable games again. The downside is we are inevitably going to be picking back in our regular 8-15th range.
The top 4 dream seems out of reach with decent coaching.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Team is looking competent/competitive again.

Nice to have some watchable games again. The downside is we are inevitably going to be picking back in our regular 8-15th range.
The top 4 dream seems out of reach with decent coaching.

Well, SY will just need to make an impact trade vs draft an immediate impact player

 

[HoweFan]

Nah you are good. I have the same hatred. I despise Bettman even more when he just laughed and said the rule wasn’t meant for guys like Malkin. Another 10 years and I should get over it. I’m old enough that I might be dead by then so I’m good with that

Everyone is a good player when we are on a winning streak.

That last comment was in reply to someone saying Velano wasn’t very good. I put in the wrong spot.

 

[Holden Caufield]

Well, SY will just need to make an impact trade vs draft an immediate impact player

No question, time for inaction is over.
We risk falling into that treadmill category pretty soon.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

I don't f***ing understand what Veleno has done for a spot at top6? This dude can skate, that's all he can do.

Edit: Berggren Rasmussen Motte Rasmussen whoever is better, this dude is a waste of a roster spot. Waive Veleno.

Dude has had all the chances in the world and he has 7 points in 32 games? Wings fire a coach and hes in top6 AGAIN? wtf is going on?

Edit: also hello to the dude who messaged me and said "veleno" wants to talk to you"

6 points in 8 games

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Watching Malkin's nonsense tonight made me discover that I am still viscerally angry about the instigator non-suspension in '09. Like literally getting hot under the collar at the thought of it.
Am I just good at holding a grudge, or is 15 years just not long enough?

No, all the league politics of that series is still very bitter for me, so I am with you.

Living in the greater Pittsburgh area makes it worse, they act like they weren't given any help whatsoever and they and they alone ended the Red Wings dynasty. Love the area, but God do I hate their hockey team and fans. Thankfully I didn't live around here in 09, I would have gone psychotic.

Add in all the Crosby slurp fest that goes on despite him being maybe the biggest chicken in league history, I am salivating at their eventual tear down and rebuild. The best part is, they are refusing to do it out of loyalty, something Red Wings know all too well and know how it goes. That org will continue to slowly die off and then suffer greatly and they totally deserve all of it.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Also. It is unbelievable how slow and skill-less Copp is. He needs to be replaced by Kasper as C2 immediately.

And Tarasenko needs to be moved to his off-wing immediately.

And for Cripe's sake...please at least give Johansson a chance to beat out Holl/Gustafsson.

Veleno--Larkin--Raymond
DeB--Kasper--Kane
Copp/Berg/Ras--Compher--Tarasenko

Chiarot--Seider
Edvinsson--Petry(puke)
Johansson--Holl/Gustafsson

Weird time for these comments given how the game went.

Gustaffson's one timer from the blueline led to the game winning goal and he had one of his better games overall. Holl too. Holl put a Pens player thru boards in a way that AlJo never could. Gus plays on the PP and Holl on the PK, and I'm not sure Johansson could do either.

I'm all for giving Johansson more looks but he's got to pack on some muscle. And he hasn't looked like much more than a cheap #6/7 guy.

 

[dalem177]

Weird time for these comments given how the game went.

Gustaffson's one timer from the blueline led to the game winning goal and he had one of his better games overall. Holl too. Holl put a Pens player thru boards in a way that AlJo never could. Gus plays on the PP and Holl on the PK, and I'm not sure Johansson could do either.

I'm all for giving Johansson more looks but he's got to pack on some muscle. And he hasn't looked like much more than a cheap #6/7 guy.

AlJo's like 12 years old though, right? Looks like he gets carded at R-rated movies.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

AlJo's like 12 years old though, right? Looks like he gets carded at R-rated movies.

He definitely has a baby face. I looked it up and he's about to turn 24 on Jan 4th.

 

[dalem177]

He definitely has a baby face. I looked it up and he's about to turn 24 on Jan 4th.

Oh well. They'll figure it out. I guess SY had to jump early on moving on from Newsy to avoid the rot, but whatever happens the rest of this season - early playoff exit, barely missing, middling "meh", or lottery gold - if the "give a shit" rating remains high the next 50 games, we'll all get through this.

Well, most of us will, anyway.

 

[cvaicunas]

It's nice to see all the improvements since McLellan. But end of the day...Chiarot-Petry-Holl-Gustafsson are still getting 67% of our defensive minutes. And we are hopeless.

If ASP is ready to go at the start of next yr, great...but we shouldn't count on it.

Chiarot can SURVIVE one more season as a #4 D, but that's about it.

Two NHL HC's have now determined that Johansson is not better than Holl/Gustafsson. Maybe he will never be an NHL player.

Wallinder is at least an entire yr away, if ever. Buium is not half as promising as him.

We need a major defensive makeover between now and next season. And it'd better not be the same people who thought signing Holl, Gustafsson, etc. orchestrating it.

1) NEED to find a long-term top-4 LHD. Someone sound defensively. Big, physical, mean. Fast. Talented enough to move the puck.

2) NEED to find a 3rd Pair RHD. Just someone decent. Competent. Sound defensively and fast. Hopefully big and physical. At least okay enough to breakout and handle the puck a little. Can sign him to a 2-3yr deal.

3) NEED to find a 3rd Pair LHD. Ditto above...but just on a one yr deal.

???---Seider

Edvinsson---Chiarot (then ASP)

??? (then Chiarot, then Wallinder next yr)---???


If you can't move Holl and Gustafsson between now and next season...buy them out or send them to GR for the yr. Neither should touch LCA ice in Red Wing jerseys next yr.

Chiarot had one of his best games last night. Are defensive roster are certainly not world beaters, but having better puck support from the forwards certainly can help alleviate asking too much of inferior players.
Mclellan said in one of his last press conferences that AJo WILL get an opportunity at some point, and when he does he has to prove himself. I tend to take what he said at face value, and his comments almost verbatim were that he does not know enough about the player yet to make a determination.

 

[jkutswings]

No matter where either team is within the competitive cycle, or what goals I have for a given season...

... it's never a bad time to beat the flightless birds.

 

[14ari13]

No, all the league politics of that series is still very bitter for me, so I am with you.

Living in the greater Pittsburgh area makes it worse, they act like they weren't given any help whatsoever and they and they alone ended the Red Wings dynasty. Love the area, but God do I hate their hockey team and fans. Thankfully I didn't live around here in 09, I would have gone psychotic.

Add in all the Crosby slurp fest that goes on despite him being maybe the biggest chicken in league history, I am salivating at their eventual tear down and rebuild. The best part is, they are refusing to do it out of loyalty, something Red Wings know all too well and know how it goes. That org will continue to slowly die off and then suffer greatly and they totally deserve all of it.

We beat them twice this season. Their PK is nr one the road, we scored twice.
Happy?

Chiarot had one of his best games last night. Are defensive roster are certainly not world beaters, but having better puck support from the forwards certainly can help alleviate asking too much of inferior players.
Mclellan said in one of his last press conferences that AJo WILL get an opportunity at some point, and when he does he has to prove himself. I tend to take what he said at face value, and his comments almost verbatim were that he does not know enough about the player yet to make a determination.

Man that crosscheck on Malkin was a thing of beauty. That is my man, that is how the defenceman cleans the crease.

Seider saving the goal, twice on the same play, and Chiarot levelling Malkin is the highlight of the game for me, that's my hockey. Even Holl had one very good hit. This was the most physical game they have played this season. And they should definitely play more physical.

Berggren had 2 points, Veleno has 6 in last 8. I think we pretty much know what we get from Raymond and Seider, they are more or less fully developed.
Now I would like to see if they can do something with Rasmussen, Berggren and Veleno.
Edvidson is doing fine.

 

[ElProfessor]

Chiarot had one of his best games last night. Are defensive roster are certainly not world beaters, but having better puck support from the forwards certainly can help alleviate asking too much of inferior players.
Mclellan said in one of his last press conferences that AJo WILL get an opportunity at some point, and when he does he has to prove himself. I tend to take what he said at face value, and his comments almost verbatim were that he does not know enough about the player yet to make a determination.

I think they're just trying to showcase and hopefully move Holl/Gustafsson with all the scouts in town amid these trade talks

 

[Gniwder]

Chiarot had one of his best games last night.

I predicted in Fester/Todd thread that Chiarot will play well for a while until he finds his comfort zone with the new coach then goes back to doing stupid shit.

He's gonna have a longer career if he can establish himself as a stay at home D instead of a puck chasing buffoon. He could also improve his advanced stats just by riding Mo's coattail instead of trying to make plays on the offensive end.

 

[Bob Probert Owns You]

Holl and Gustafson are quite possibly the worst D pairing in the NHL. I saw it in person last night, and my god were they atrocious.

 

[Gniwder]

That can't be right. I've been reasonably informed that not trading for Graves was the first of a series of mistakes that led to our current lineup.

I'd take 2 years of Graves over 4 years of Chiarot any day of the week. He played well for Jersey, he's being misused in Pitt. A true stay at home D partner is what Seider still needs, and Graves played with Makar in Colorado. Not to mention the Leddy trade wound up a total waste now that Walman is gone.

$4.5M x 6 years? I wouldn't have given him that. Note that I never said Stevie should have signed Graves as UFA, because there's no way he lives up to that contract.

 

[Euro Twins]

I predicted in Fester/Todd thread that Chiarot will play well for a while until he finds his comfort zone with the new coach then goes back to doing stupid shit.

He's gonna have a longer career if he can establish himself as a stay at home D instead of a puck chasing buffoon. He could also improve his advanced stats just by riding Mo's coattail instead of trying to make plays on the offensive end.

The Ian white special

 

[Gniwder]

Kasper had the least ice time of any forwards tonight. Starting to hit a bit of a rookie wall?

He allowed the first goal in Todd's first 2 games. You think the coach trusts him?

I think he's been pointless for maybe ... 12 games now?

And he's not gonna get any points playing with Motte and Raz. At this rate, it'll only be a couple more weeks until everyone agrees that he should get sent down to GR. 10 minutes TOI playing with 2 guys that can't score goals isn't going to do anything for Kasper's development. Raz and Motte would have to be lucky to even get 10 goals together the rest of the season, so Kasper's gonna get 10 more assists AT MOST, and maybe a couple of goals? Both of his goals were on the PP, and Todd took him off of that.

I'd rather see Raz-Fish-Elmer as the 4th line more than Raz-Kasper-Motte.

 

[Euro Twins]

He allowed the first goal in Todd's first 2 games. You think the coach trusts him?


And he's not gonna get any points playing with Motte and Raz. At this rate, it'll only be a couple more weeks until everyone agrees that he should get sent down to GR. 10 minutes TOI playing with 2 guys that can't score goals isn't going to do anything for Kasper's development. Raz and Motte would have to be lucky to even get 10 goals together the rest of the season, so Kasper's gonna get 10 more assists AT MOST, and maybe a couple of goals? Both of his goals were on the PP, and Todd took him off of that.

I'd rather see Raz-Fish-Elmer as the 4th line more than Raz-Kasper-Motte.

He should have been sent down weeks ago. He does some good things but he has no offense. If you want to keep a rookie up bring in Danielson