GDT: Game 35: Red Wings vs leafs 7:00 pm et 12/27/24

[cjm502]

Virtually everyone began declining (Holl was actually solid all game imo) as the 2nd period started but there is one constant through everything now and before TM:

Kane is absolutely done. He's a far-cry from what he looked like last year. Doesn't look confident handling the puck or making cross-seam passes. Even when he's stationary. I wonder if he's been dealing with a lot of hip pain that he's not telling us about

He's not a bottom 6 guy obviously, and he's a major black hole in the top 6. Not even good on the PP anymore. He can sit there and head fake and that's about it. He would be addition by subtraction at this point

His inability to catch a pass cleanly has been mind blowing. The ability to catch a pass, especially less then ideal ones, has to be the most underrated skill in the NHL and Kane has completely lost that ability. For a guy that's supposed to have some of the best hands all time and be an elite playmaker, I don't get it. Players slow down at 36, they don't handle contact as well, they don't keep up with the play as well, maybe they start to trip over the blue line (Kronwall, Abdelkader), but losing the ability to corral a pass is a new one.

 

[Bob Probert Owns You]

Trade everyone.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Yzerman should move a few guys on the back end and a forward and start calling up likes of wallinder and tuomisto, soderblom and seeing what's there and who can be here next season

He talks about the future ... we should start seeing some of it

 

[Our Lady Peace]

His inability to catch a pass cleanly has been mind blowing. The ability to catch a pass, especially less then ideal ones, has to be the most underrated skill in the NHL and Kane has completely lost that ability. For a guy that's supposed to have some of the best hands all time and be an elite playmaker, I don't get it. Players slow down at 36, they don't handle contact as well, they don't keep up with the play as well, maybe they start to trip over the blue line (Kronwall, Abdelkader), but losing the ability to corral a pass is a new one.

This is what I keep seeing over and over. His puck touches are not nearly as soft as we've seen them even in a Wings sweater

He spoke recently about how he himself needs to be better and to contribute. I know he's a limited player at this point, but even at that he could just be a PP merchant and pump up our numbers there. I see him out there and cringe now

I can't help but sense he's dealing with something that's affecting his mental. Kane is not a second-guess kind of player, especially when it comes to his hands

 

[Holden Caufield]

Nice offensive surge in the third period to atleast cash my over. Raymond knew the assignment.

We Probably jumped a couple teams in the lotto bowl too. Overall could have been worse.

 

[GMR]

Aren’t teams supposed to have a short-term spark after firing a coach?

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

Nice offensive surge in the third period to atleast cash my over. Raymond knew the assignment.

Probably jumped a couple teams in the lotto bowl too.

5th best odds according to Tankathon atm. Surely Nashville will go ahead of us soon...

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

5th best odds according to Tankathon atm. Surely Nashville will go ahead of us soon...

Cant imagine they wont go on a win streak at some point with a top goalie and dman on the team like saros and Josi

 

[schuelma24]

5th best odds according to Tankathon atm. Surely Nashville will go ahead of us soon...

Yeah I'd count on Buffalo and Nashville. Don't think this team can "catch" Chicago and SJ, so 3rd best odds is probably best case scenario,

 

[Air Budd Dwyer]

Aren’t teams supposed to have a short-term spark after firing a coach?

Not when you have 2 and half NHL caliber defensemen, one of which is a rookie who plays like a rookie.

 

[dalem177]

Forgot there was a game today.

 

[Oddbob]

Aren’t teams supposed to have a short-term spark after firing a coach?

Played the Leafs who buried their chances and he only got to meet the team this morning. I jokingly thought your thought during the first period, but I wasn't expecting much with a quick hire. I mean he basically ran all of Lalonde's lines which tells you how little time he had to get ready for this game. I didn't watch past the first period as when the Wings get down 3 or more the past few seasons, I basically stop watching as we aren't a fun enough team to keep watching when there is no chance of a comeback.

 

[whata beauty]

Honestly, thought they played hard with consistent intensity tonight. Just lacked the talent Toronto has. They battled all game which we haven't seen in a while so I take that as a positive. Still, there were hardly any good chances created when they had the puck in the zone before being down 4 and they struggled with d-zone coverage again. I feel like those are things McLellan can help improve as long as they play balls out.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Honestly, thought they played hard with consistent intensity tonight. Just lacked the talent Toronto has. They battled all game which we haven't seen in a while so I take that as a positive. Still, there were hardly any good chances created when they had the puck in the zone before being down 4 and they struggled with d-zone coverage again. I feel like those are things McLellan can help improve as long as they play balls out.

Effort is really all you can expect tonight. McClellan said it would take 5-6 games for him to get a feel for the players and for them to get a feel for him. No one should expect an immediate impact, but after 5 or so games there will hopefully be some coherent systems in place and the guys will be bought in and will continue to put in good effort to do what's being asked of them.

 

[rangersblues]

Yeah I'd count on Buffalo and Nashville. Don't think this team can "catch" Chicago and SJ, so 3rd best odds is probably best case scenario,

I think Sam Jose has a decent chance of finishing ahead.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

His inability to catch a pass cleanly has been mind blowing. The ability to catch a pass, especially less then ideal ones, has to be the most underrated skill in the NHL and Kane has completely lost that ability. For a guy that's supposed to have some of the best hands all time and be an elite playmaker, I don't get it. Players slow down at 36, they don't handle contact as well, they don't keep up with the play as well, maybe they start to trip over the blue line (Kronwall, Abdelkader), but losing the ability to corral a pass is a new one.

So I was one of the loudest voices against Kane coming to DET last season because I have yet to see the hip resurfacing and planar surgery be...successful. It's absolutely wrecked the 3 prior players who had it done where they hung it up after like a season. I didn't think we'd get Patrick Kane, we would get some weird broken version of it.

Then last spring happened and he looked really good and motivated and shut me up real fast. But then we've gotten 2024-05 Kane and despite all that talk of "first time I've had a training camp" "really got to work out this offseason" etc. etc.

I think his hip is totally f***ed. And he's compensating bad in a lot of ways, specifically putting literally zero effort into his skating ("why is he looking so slow?" "he doesn't play defense" "he just gives up on the offensive play because his linemates are so bad and he just wings the puck"), I ...don't think he can move or manage the pain anymore. It's what took Backstrom out and put him on LTIRetirement. He looked okay for a while and people we're like "He's back!", except it just hurts to move and you get tired of trying to manage it. His pass catching, I just don't think he's in the position - he isn't skating to the point on how he wants to receive it - and he's not able to lean or turn/rotate to grab the pass comfortably.

I think Kane's hip is totally gone and he's running on fumes

 

[Oddbob]

Effort is really all you can expect tonight. McClellan said it would take 5-6 games for him to get a feel for the players and for them to get a feel for him. No one should expect an immediate impact, but after 5 or so games there will hopefully be some coherent systems in place and the guys will be bought in and will continue to put in good effort to do what's being asked of them.

Yeah, I think people underestimate how big a change of playing styles on a team mid season. I only watched the first tonight, but I did think they at least were skating hard, Toronto buried all 3 chances they got in the 1st so it looks really bad.

 

[raymond23]

If you're looking for a breath of fresh air and some hope, listen to McLellan

 

[dalem177]

I think Sam Jose has a decent chance of finishing ahead.

That guy owes me money!

 

[Chris Langlois]

If you're looking for a breath of fresh air and some hope, listen to McLellan

Just think this is the first time in almost 3 years the team has had a coach speak to them after a loss . I was at the game and he visibly is in constant communication with players the way babs always was. I loved it. And I love how he said his job is to help these players grow and succeed.

 

[NervousPerson]

Aren’t teams supposed to have a short-term spark after firing a coach?

That WAS their short-term spark. Oof.

 

[dalem177]

Maybe they can get some spice back.

 

[Pizza!Pizza!]

Maybe they can get some spice back.

the good old days when a 5-1 loss was still worth watching and cheering for. modern hockey has no soul.

 

[Euro Twins]

If you're looking for a breath of fresh air and some hope, listen to McLellan

I'm confused. I didn't here him say how we had some good looks and how we just got unlucky and should just stick with the plan.

 

[Snuggs]

Red Wings are bad. This is terrible to watch, I'm over it.

To next year.