Pre-Game Talk: GAME #30 at Poutineville 12/12 7:30 PM - Claude rolls the dice and changes the lines

[LSCII]

There is literally no good combination of lines. The forward corps isn't good enough.

And that's it in a nutshell. Sweeney didn't do a good job putting together this band of marginally talented forwards, and when given the choice, Julien will pick the worst of the bunch, and the worst combination of said group, every day of the week and twice on Sunday...

I mean, I haven't even mentioned the PP lineups they were practicing yet. I would, but I don't have enough time to write what needs to be said to give it justice.

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

There is literally no good combination of lines. The forward corps isn't good enough.

I disagree. 3 very good centers. One of the best wingers in the NHL. Another elite 2 way winger. Plenty of teams get by with 4 guys of the caliber of Spooner, Nash, Czarnik and Beleskey/Hayes/Vatrano in their top 9. Especially when the other 5 are as good as our 5 best forwards.

Even Jimmy Hayes was pretty good the last time he played for someone other than Julien.

 

[chizzler]

I would put Spooner and Pasta together. Marchand is the scorer on Bergerons line. Kreijci needs to find his game. They're sopposed to loose to arrow right? So why not.

 

[LSCII]

I disagree. 3 very good centers. One of the best wingers in the NHL. Another elite 2 way winger. Plenty of teams get by with 4 guys of the caliber of Spooner, Nash, Czarnik and Beleskey/Hayes/Vatrano in their top 9. Especially when the other 5 are as good as our 5 best forwards.

Even Jimmy Hayes was pretty good the last time he played for someone other than Julien.

You say that, yet the offense continues to sink to the bottom of the league each game. So what's the issue, in your opinion? Is it all on Claude? Is it on Sweeney? Is it on the players?

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

You say that, yet the offense continues to sink to the bottom of the league each game. So what's the issue, in your opinion? Is it all on Claude? Is it on Sweeney? Is it on the players?

In terms of offense, I point the finger at Julien. He's done a good job with the ****** defensemen Sweeney gave him, but our forward group is better than Julien is making them look.

 

[chizzler]

You say that, yet the offense continues to sink to the bottom of the league each game. So what's the issue, in your opinion? Is it all on Claude? Is it on Sweeney? Is it on the players?

We need someone to decide this for us.

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

The Flyers' 3rd line right now is Nick Cousins, Boyd Gordon and Dale Weise. Might be the best offense in the league. But poor Claude. He has to put a 4th liner like Ryan Spooner on the 3rd line. Is that Sweeney's fault?

 

[Mpasta]

I love how people keep saying we don't have the talent on offense even though most people were saying we were top 5-10 in the league during the off-season.

We have the talent. They just aren't executing. I blame the coaches and injuries.

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

I love how people keep saying we don't have the talent on offense even though most people were saying we were top 5-10 in the league during the off-season.

We have the talent. They just aren't executing. I blame the coaches and injuries.

Yup. Injuries are part of it. Depth isn't our strength and because of that, losing even someone like Frank Vatrano hurts. But our depth isn't bad enough that this group of forwards should be this bad at scoring. Blame Bergeron. Blame Krejci. Blame Backes if you want. Definitely blame Claude. And blame Sweeney for the blue line still being bad. But I don't see how you can blame Sweeney for the forwards and scoring. Plenty of talent still.

 

[FribbleLine]

We lose tomorrow imo

 

[DKH]

Claude should have told the boys to get away from the rink watch football, rest, and see you Monday

If he did that they win tomorrow

Having practice is insane they are gassed -He's in panic mode

If Claude starts wearing the same clothes like Seguin did at the end it's a sign he's got to go

I just pray we don't see a Mike Yeo meltdown infront of camera or firing Claude in Montreal and forcing him to grab a ride back with Fenway

 

[DKH]

You say that, yet the offense continues to sink to the bottom of the league each game. So what's the issue, in your opinion? Is it all on Claude? Is it on Sweeney? Is it on the players?

I see if Vatrano can save them - and if not fire everyone and bring in Milbury Jonsie and Eddie O.

Pierre as GM.

I want a Cup

 

[whatsbruin]

Yeah, let's put the 2nd leading goal scorer in the league with two grinders. That'll jump start the offense.

Yes, noted tough guy David Krecji is also a grinder.

 

[bruinmann77]

i like Schaller Grit but he should not being seen on the top 2 lines

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

Yeah, let's put the 2nd leading goal scorer in the league with two grinders. That'll jump start the offense.

Pastrnak has 5 goals in the last 4 games. Been playing almost exclusively with Marchand and Bergeron. Yet Bergeron has only 1 assist on his goals. Marchand has 2. Schaller has 1. Krejci has 1. He doesn't need to play with Marchand and Bergeron. He scores with Schaller and Krejci even when he's not playing with them.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

63-42-88 should be the first line.

get bergeron out of there

 

[Blowfish]

If I see Hayes in the lineup I'm going to vomit...

Don't mind seeing Moore on pp the dude has been good showing some snipes and skill. He deserves an opportunity.

It will be Interesting to see Spooner play top off pp?

 

[BBB24]

He made changes, but all the wrong ones. Why the **** would you break up the one line that's actually scoring?

Was wondering how long before someone found fault. Do tell, what would you do, you have three lines who have a total of three NHLers, curious what is he suppose to do.

 

[BBB24]

Claude should have told the boys to get away from the rink watch football, rest, and see you Monday

If he did that they win tomorrow

Having practice is insane they are gassed -He's in panic mode

If Claude starts wearing the same clothes like Seguin did at the end it's a sign he's got to go

I just pray we don't see a Mike Yeo meltdown infront of camera or firing Claude in Montreal and forcing him to grab a ride back with Fenway

I doubt the practiced to hard, was probably more to inform them what the lines were going to be so the players could get some time off the ice to discuss how they want to play. I believe they will dig deep and win tomorrow.

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

He made changes, but all the wrong ones. Why the **** would you break up the one line that's actually scoring?

That line's not even scoring THAT much. Pastrnak is just scoring. Has a PP goal. An OT goal with Krejci. A goal from Schaller. They've been worse than the sum of their parts.

 

[Jdavidev]

If I see Hayes in the lineup I'm going to vomit...

Don't mind seeing Moore on pp the dude has been good showing some snipes and skill. He deserves an opportunity.

It will be Interesting to see Spooner play top off pp?

Still not sure why Nash got the 3rd C duties and not Moore, who has been scoring, and showing the instincts offensively, and has some chemistry with Spooner from the preseason.

Oh well. Get to watxh these new lines for a period before they revert back.

 

[Jdavidev]

And that's it in a nutshell. Sweeney didn't do a good job putting together this band of marginally talented forwards, and when given the choice, Julien will pick the worst of the bunch, and the worst combination of said group, every day of the week and twice on Sunday...

I mean, I haven't even mentioned the PP lineups they were practicing yet. I would, but I don't have enough time to write what needs to be said to give it justice.

I don't agree. This forward group is largely the same as last season save for Eriksson/Backes swap, which was top ten in the league last season.

I think, combo of Bergy's injury and the pressure of the eternal dogma to adhere to the system for the younger players is the issue.

They are better defensively because of it, but that only goes so far when the frustration of not scoring leads to mental mistakes and boom, they are down two goals.

 

[wintersej]

I love how people keep saying we don't have the talent on offense even though most people were saying we were top 5-10 in the league during the off-season.

We have the talent. They just aren't executing. I blame the coaches and injuries.

Bergeron, Spooner and Beleskey. If those guys are producing like last year, the team is OK. But, they are not. They produced last year under the same coach. So what exactly about the coaching has changed?

 

[LSCII]

Was wondering how long before someone found fault. Do tell, what would you do, you have three lines who have a total of three NHLers, curious what is he suppose to do.

So you find it reasonable that Tim Schaller is on what's expected to be a scoring line? Jesus Christ man, you need to get some objectivity for a change. That's a ******** move no matter how much you like the coach.

 

[Jdavidev]

Bergeron, Spooner and Beleskey. If those guys are producing like last year, the team is OK. But, they are not. They produced last year under the same coach. So what exactly about the coaching has changed?

I believe they are playing more conservative this year, wingers coming down further to help in the zone. They are suppressing shots way better this year, but way less 2-1, 3-2 breakouts as a result. Shots are up, as well as zone time, but not getting those prime mismatch scoring opportunities. And when they do, they are frustrated and flubbing shots/putting them into chests.

It's a complete reversal from last season, offense hot, def garbage and now, defense hot, off garbage. And I believe that is directly from the coach. Pulling his hair out last year from all the breakaways and odd man rushes given up last year, has everyone getting back, thinking defense first.