Post-Game Talk: GAME 23 - FRUSTRATING - Vancouver 2 BRUINS 0

KillerMillerTime

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2 G and 6 pts in 20 games with a minus 6.... that would help Boston scoring!!!
Speaking of Chicago, Conor "Mr. Generational" Bedard has fewer goals than Coyle.

Point being, players can go into prolonged slumps, even really talented guys
such as Bedard and Pastrnak. People need to give it until this stretch of the next 5 games, to see if they can maintain their defensive structure. If they can, ride the season until trade deadline.

Wotherspoon let him get position.
Wasn't it Peeke?
 

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How bad does Fabian Lysell have to be to not break into this top 9 over the likes of Geekie, Brazeau, and McLaughlin?
You mean 2G in 14G Fabian Lysell?

McLaughlin was hot in Providence so they gave him probably a 2 G look. If they lose tonight and McLaughlin does Zippo they will send him down and bring up Lysell. Eventually they will brng up #51 also and maybe trade #11 to STL for a 5th rounder
to fit him in.
 

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The Bruins have some serious issues.
We can all say "get rid of talent and reboot" but sellouts at the Garden become less and less. Which means less $$$$$

Or they think this thing thru. In other words, the Trade Deadline is now.
The defence is fine (except McAvoy is not worth what he's getting.)
The talent we have up front consists of an aging Captain who bless his heart, brings it every night .

Lindholm, Zacha and Coyle have to be the 3 worst centerman in Bruins history. Honestly! Just horrible. Zero imagination with the puck.
We can replace Fredric with anybody from Providence and no one would notice the difference.
Yet going to Providence to work out a solution...is that really the answer , especially when we have players already on the team who are borderline AHLers?
Worst Center group in my lifetime watching B's was the 1966-7 Martin-Oliver-Schock group. Two midgets and a guy maybe 6ft. Fortunately Martin helped get Esposito but
that center core was worse than this one.
 
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Bruins dominated this game and still got shutout, Lankinen was great credit to him. Under Sacco at least the effort level was much better, but regardless who is coaching this is just a poor roster and that is on Sweeney/Neely. They need to start making changes soon, or else it will be full sell mode at the TDL. Coyle, Frederic, Carlo and Geekie should be moved for the best we can get for them. There are other guys I would move in the right deals, E. Lindholm, Marchand, McAvoy and Swayman. Pasta I would move only in a blockbuster for another elite top line player his age or younger.
 
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Anyone think Steve Stamkos regretting his choice to sign with Nashville? He’s on pace to score 26G 14A 40P. 8 million dollar cap hit for 4 years yowzers
 

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It's par for the course since everything else is going down the golden toilet! 😔
With 32 teams in the NHL, a lottery draft and salary cap, its very difficult to retool on the fly to get a long time quality team that's aged out to stay a contender. Pittsburgh, Chicago and now this years Boston are all the proof you need.

Tampa Bay will be the last remaining team of quality teams from 2015 on to be playoff competitive this year. They are the younger version of the #37\63\46 B's. Getting
Point and Kucherov up front with 2nd & 3rd round picks. They elite players and the good fortune of integrating players like Guentzel and Hagel into the lineup. Backed up by a D Corp with Hedman, McD and Cernak.
 

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Well, they do seem to have a better handle on the defensive side of things.

The offense still can't finish but it's not for a lack of shots or chances (like it was under Monty). They had 27 scoring chances (scoring chances were 27-8). They had 13 high danger chances (13-1).

I've never seen anything like this.
As @GahdenRinkRat posted their goalie did not give anything once he grabbed it...no rebounds.

Bs had lots of chances.
 

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At a loss for goals, yet again, the Bruins Tuesday night also were at a loss for words to figure out how, or when, or if, they’ll find their scoring touch.

“You have to believe that … you just have to [think] …” alternate captain Charlie McAvoy said when asked following a 2-0 loss to the Canucks if he feels things are about to turn for the struggling 10-10-3 club, “… the dam’s going to break at some point. Just hope it’s soon. We just have to keep playing the right way.”

The loss, the fourth by shutout this season, was framed by a second-period power-play goal by Bruins alum Jake DeBrusk and an empty-netter by Scituate’s Conor Garland.
Overall, not the kind of warm-and-fuzzy homecoming the Black-and-Gold hoped for this festive holiday season. It was their first loss in three games under new coach Joe Sacco, who has overseen a strong correction in defensive play but has yet to come up with an answer in how to get a tiny puck into a 24-square-foot net.

The Bruins finished with a better than 2:1 margin in shots (33-15) and a lopsided advantage in shot attempts (72-31). In their three games under Sacco (2-1-0), who took over on an interim basis last week for the dismissed Jim Montgomery, they have outshot the opposition, 93-56.

For all that, as the old hockey expression goes, the Bruins have been all but unable to put the puck in the ocean. Across the three games, they scored but three times (two of those on the power play), and tallied once at even strength across the 180 minutes.

“We did a real good job defending in front out of [our] goaltender again,” said Sacco, whose netminder Jeremy Swayman turned back 13 of the 14 shots he faced. “We just have to start burying our chances. I think we are giving ourselves a chance to compete in games now — the guys are defending hard. But offensively we have to get some guys going and find their scoring touch.”

All but two Bruins (defensemen Brandon Carlo and Parker Wotherspoon) landed at least one shot on net. Captain Brad Marchand led the way, landing six of his 12 attempts. Every skater wearing a Black-and-Gold uni attempted at least one shot, including a more shot-ready McAvoy, who squeezed off seven attempts on Canucks goalie Kevin Lankinen.

Montgomery, mystified over the club’s inability to score, paid for it with his job. Sacco’s hope is the scoring will come around, eventually, maybe, hopefully, if the defense remains stout and stingy.

If it doesn’t come around, general manager Don Sweeney will have to deal for a proven scorer (rarely available before the March trade deadline) or watch his team slip out of the playoff picture for the first time since 2015-16. It’s clear that the current offense has not shown the ability to get the job done.

The Bruins are a house in desperate need of a finish carpenter. The big free agent hire up front, Elias Lindholm, has submitted D-level results for A-level compensation (seven years/$54.25 million). Elite striker David Pastrnak, without a goal in the last five games, is on a pace for 29 goals — less than half of the career-high 61 he potted two years ago.

“We’re stressing defense in here and we’re doing a great job of it,” McAvoy said. “We just can’t score.”

Ranked 31st in the league in power-play effectiveness when the night began, the Bruins again were blanked (0 for 3) on the man advantage. They’ll try to get their noses above the .500 line again Wednesday night when they face the Islanders in Elmont, N.Y.
 

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Don't know where the scoring is coming from ...Pasta passed a lot tonight - probably because he had one Canuck on him, another shadowing and the goalie cheating towards him. smart Van. game plan because no one else is a threat.
They need to have more than one guy who can score because ALL of the teams have been all over Pasta because they are not worried about anyone else.

There it is. Perfectly sums up the system against Boston's PP and forwards:

DOUBLE-TEAM PASTRNAK BECAUSE THERE ARE NO OTHER THREATS ON THE BOSTON BRUINS.
exactly.
 
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I honestly am not sure how they fix this top 6 .
You may not fix it., but you need to give them time. They are playing in a different system in getting pucks to the net. Players have been bounced around so much, that I don’t think anyone has any kind of comfort with each other. Monty just changed things too much. We need some stability in the lines. Berry and Marchand got that comfort zone from constantly playing together. I believe it can get better. This is their camp. Let’s give it time with the new system.
 
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Yes the defense has improved. Huzzah.

But the number of people calling that one of the best games of the season tells me our expectations have fallen into the toilet.
It’s not expectations. It was a good game. It’s regular season and we’re looking for a better D structure and a different offensive mindset. I think they are doing ok. They had tons of chances. I think they still pass one or two many times. That system is still present. The PP needs Lohrei there. Too many passes are telegraphed. They need to be quicker and take a shot from the point once in a while.

Anyone think Steve Stamkos regretting his choice to sign with Nashville? He’s on pace to score 26G 14A 40P. 8 million dollar cap hit for 4 years yowzers
A lot of turnover there. They’ll play better as the season goes.
 
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Totally agree.

It’s not expectations. It was a good game. It’s regular season and we’re looking for a better D structure and a different offensive mindset. I think they are doing ok. They had tons of chances. I think they still pass one or two many times. That system is still present. The PP needs Lohrei there. Too many passes are telegraphed. They need to be quicker and take a shot from the point once in a while.


A lot of turnover there. They’ll play better as the season goes.
I thought Lohrei had more offensive jump then most of the team. At least he was trying to generate something rather than the old dump and chase.
 
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Bruins made almost all the running. 5v5 57 shot attempts to 23, 25 shots to 12, 13 high danger chances to 1. Zacha's line had a 9-0 shot count, even the 4th went 5-0. Had the legs, they were getting through the neutral zone and the opposition forecheck quite well. Defense was absolutely solid. Just no finish, and their puck movement isn't dynamic enough. Vancouver did a good job blocking shots and getting sticks in lanes, Lankinen was good, but the Bruins made things too easy for them because they lack the horses and the confidence to pass the puck quickly and creatively, the one true sniper on the team is out of touch, and much as they battled for pucks around the crease, nothing fell their way. The Nucks could sit back and defend the house with confidence once they had the lead.

Boston has the second-worst shooting percentage in the league and it's not hard to see why. The forward group badly needs an injection of true scoring talent. Sweeney is not stupid. He knew the team was going to be limited offensively, but he surely underestimated just how bad it is. Too many players have regressed at the same time, your $11m star isn't playing like it, and the natural ability just isn't there to help guys grind their way out of bad form/luck. I see people shopping McAvoy for forward help but I don't think that's realistic. With Hampus out it's not remotely feasible anyway, but even with him back I don't think the D could wear it. Charlie isn't earning his full contract value at the moment, but he's still too important to this team to give up. Replace him with another capable but cheaper defender then yeah, maybe. But that doesn't solve the forward issue in itself.

My idea would be to package up Zacha with Frederic or Geekie and see what that can get you. Pavel is a generally capable player, decent passing game, versatile, solid at the dot, his contract is reasonable. But he is an otherwise top 6 forward who does not have top 6 shooting ability. That might be ok if the Bruins had enough of it elsewhere, but clearly they don't. I know Pasta likes playing with his fellow Czech, but clearly that's not leading to goals at the moment, so it's not reason enough to keep him. If the Bruins wanted/needed to go in harder you could throw Carlo into the mix as well, but then you would need another 2RD of at least some sort of quality so I'm not sure how much that helps. But yeah, main concept is Zacha+Fred/Geek out, genuine scorer in. Chances are they won't be as rounded a player as Zacha in other areas, but so be it. Have got to change up the mix in the forward group.

Sacco has got the defense back in order. The goalies are doing their job. The PK is not perfect but it's progressing. The players have some intent and zip again, they have a clearer, simpler plan and a will to execute it. Those fundamentals are returning. All that is good, if work in progress. They played well here, and they persevered through most of the full 60 even though they couldn't catch a break. But without scoring it's all not going to take you far. So the ball is in the GM's court to make a move. The players are not blameless but it's Don's offseason mistakes that are most evident. Up to him now to at least begin to try and rectify it.
13 high-danger scoring chances to 1 and yet effectively lose 1-0 lmao. Just wow.
 

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Frederic for David Jiricek
And Carlo for Forward.
But as of right the coaching change has done little.
This is a bad hockey team.
Does our GM, even watch these games, or just look at the box scores, oh good game he say 32 shots on net, their goaltender must have been good, we will get them next game.............RAH RAH RAH
 

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