GDT: GAME 22 | Sens Go Swimming With Sharks | Wed Nov 27th 2024, 10:30PM | RDS, TSN5

Will you stay up to watch this game?


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Burrowsaurus

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Yeah, this was definitely not the norm for this team.

Idk what it was but they didn't really have their legs. It looked like they were starting to find them right before the first SJ goal, but after that, it was chip the puck up the boards dump and change, no forcheck to speak of and the changes were all sloppy.

Everything we were doing seemed to make it worse, because our lack of forcheck just meant they could come at us with speed through the NZ, when meant the D had to back off or risk getting burnt, when meant we got chasing the play in our end and needed another change, so we repeat the cycle.

Not sure what you do after an effort like that, bag skate them or rest is a weapon...
I think green realized W they were shit and coaches orders were survive. I mean in the second period they would NOT hit a break out pass. Even with time it was high flip. Flu going around the team? I don’t know I think I’m just making excuses.

Don’t think they won a 50/50 all night it was ghastly.
 

Micklebot

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Shots on goal were 39-11, we blocked 24 shots, they only blocked 6. So shot attempts were 63-17. We got our teeth kicked in by the worst team in hockey.

Brady registered 1 shot, which was a non-threatening Slapshot from the Blueline.
He registered 0 hits, had 1 giveaway and 0 takeaways. This isn't even average Brady, 1 shot and 0 hits, I couldn't even tell you the last time he had those numbers.

The entire team played like ass. It's his job to help get the guys going by taking a game like this over. If either team had average goaltending, we would have lost.

Literally the only people you can give credit to in a game like this are the ones that won the game for you. Ullmark, Stu, and Gaudette.
Brady only had the one shot, but he had a few more scoring chances that just went wide. He also had two assists on the night.

No hits is odd, because I could have sworn they showed him lay a hit on Celebrini during the intermission talking about how eventful Celebrini's game had been.
 

BonHoonLayneCornell

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The locker room has always been happy even when we were a bottom team for multiple season so I dont care that everyone likes each other, that shouldn’t even be part of the equation, it should be about winning and not the friendship state of the players at the end of the season.

Maybe everybody in the team is just to nice. All we hear about is how great it is, maybe it is a country club in Otttawa and everyone loves it, certainly Looks that way recently.

Amadio, Perron and Pinto need to start contributing right away. These 3 players on are on pace for a TOTAL of 13 goals between all 3 of them.
I don't care either, but it was an indication of trying to handle the adversity in a different way than previous years and imo that's a good thing. That's the veteran voices giving that advice that maybe hasn't been there in the past. We don't know if it will pay off, but they've won a couple and aren't dead in the water yet, so that's a start.

No doubt they need to start producing, but for Perron, he needs to be in the lineup to do that.

Brady only had the one shot, but he had a few more scoring chances that just went wide. He also had two assists on the night.

No hits is odd, because I could have sworn they showed him lay a hit on Celebrini during the intermission talking about how eventful Celebrini's game had been.
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Tuna99

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I posted some stats earlier on SJ with and without Celebrini, he'd missed exactly half the teams games prior to last night. Their record is more of an indication of how important he is to the team, because they were .500 with him in the lineup going into last night, and .292 without him.

In conclusion, San Jose and Ottawa are tied in their rebuild with Celerbini in the lineup.

If SJ rebuilds faster then us, I’m out.
 
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Sens of Anarchy

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Maybe it's time to switch Greig and Pinto and have Greig centre the line at this point. Greig says he's more comfortable at centre and maybe it takes some of the load off Pinto if he's still nursing an injuiry.
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Brady only had the one shot, but he had a few more scoring chances that just went wide. He also had two assists on the night.

No hits is odd, because I could have sworn they showed him lay a hit on Celebrini during the intermission talking about how eventful Celebrini's game had been.
Even if you gave him credit for a hit, he's averaging close to 5 shots and 5 hits per game. Still an underwhelming overall performance. He had some decent moments, I'm not taking that away from him, but he didn't have a good game.
I posted some stats earlier on SJ with and without Celebrini, he'd missed exactly half the teams games prior to last night. Their record is more of an indication of how important he is to the team, because they were .500 with him in the lineup going into last night, and .292 without him.
I noticed that, celebrini looked great last night. But for the 35 min he wasn't on the ice we still got killed. Their 6 Dmen registered more shots than our 12 forwards.
 

PlayOn

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But who are people going to scapegoat if it's not Hamonic?
IMO Hamonic has been a million times better this year than last and has done his part so no issue with him.

I have a hard time understanding why you’d ever play him more than Chabot and Jensen though. It’s not Hamonic, it’s the usage.
 
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BonHoonLayneCornell

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But who are people going to scapegoat if it's not Hamonic?
The possibilities are endless, but one thing is for certain, that slot will be filled by someone.

I'm not going to pretend that Hamonic is some amazing Dman, he shouldn't play 23 mins, but I don't know how you watch that game last night and pick him out specifically. Almost everyone was awful and he actually had some stand out plays. Don't hear much about JBD standing there covering nobody as his guy taps it in the net.
 

Sens of Anarchy

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This is our 2nd line (Giroux had CF 5) All of them had CA 20
Giroux CF% 20
Batherson CF% 16.67
Norris CF% 16.67
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Pinto and Greig have been struggling ; Reinhart I like but he is not an NHL 3rd line player , at least not now ; That line did slightly worse

Amadio and Gregor trailed the team
Ostapchuk was slightly better but had less icetime where the Sharks were controlling and shooting the puck.
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I thought the depth was much improved but ; Earlier in the year we were running 4 lines and everyone contributed.
The D corps with a rookie trying to find his way and 2 #7 D just isn't going to help . But last night the Sharks broke out with ease, motored right through the neutral zone and hemmed us in constantly. It was inexplicably awful... The win vs Calgary was a blip in the continued digging of the hole.

I am having trouble chalking it up to just a bad game. Not now , not when we need to be climbing back in the race.
 
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Gil Gunderson

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The possibilities are endless, but one thing is for certain, that slot will be filled by someone.

I'm not going to pretend that Hamonic is some amazing Dman, he shouldn't play 23 mins, but I don't know how you watch that game last night and pick him out specifically. Almost everyone was awful and he actually had some stand out plays. Don't hear much about JBD standing there covering nobody as his guy taps it in the net.
I think the issue is that we went from having two good D-pairings when Zub was out to literally none, just so Jensen can carry Tyler Kleven? I can stomach having Hamonic on the top pairing if Chabot-Jensen (one of the few bright spots) are still out there providing good hockey, or even having Jensen with Sanderson. We blew that up just so our #6 d-man can be insulated?

Bottom line, our only top-4 calibre RD shouldn't be wasted on the third pairing while we have massive blackholes on the pairings that actually face the tougher match-ups. I thought this was Hockey Coaching 101.
 

BankStreetParade

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IMO Hamonic has been a million times better this year than last and has done his part so no issue with him.

I have a hard time understanding why you’d ever play him more than Chabot and Jensen though. It’s not Hamonic, it’s the usage.
Because this coach sucks?

Why is Giroux, a 37yo, leading all forwards in ice time last night? Of the 15 highest single game TOI among forwards this season, he has 6. Stutzle has 5, Batherson has 2, Tkachuk has 1, Norris has 1. Why is he playing more minutes than any forward not named Stutzle?
 

BonHoonLayneCornell

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I think the issue is that we went from having two good D-pairings when Zub was out to literally none, just so Jensen can carry Tyler Kleven? I can stomach having Hamonic on the top pairing if Chabot-Jensen (one of the few bright spots) are still out there providing good hockey, or even having Jensen with Sanderson. We blew that up just so our #6 d-man can be insulated?
I think it'll be a fluid situation and they wanted to settle Kleven down as he had a few rough games. Wise or not, they're 2-0 with it, so probably continues in the short term. With the rumors of looking around the league for a RD, I think management knows Hammer with Sandy is not ideal and not a long term solution.
Because this coach sucks?

Why is Giroux, a 37yo, leading all forwards in ice time last night? Of the 15 highest single game TOI among forwards this season, he has 6. Stutzle has 5, Batherson has 2, Tkachuk has 1, Norris has 1. Why is he playing more minutes than any forward not named Stutzle?
Giroux was one of the few guys out there making the right clearing decisions in the d zone. Coaches lean on their veterans, for better or worse.
 

PlayOn

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Because this coach sucks?

Why is Giroux, a 37yo, leading all forwards in ice time last night? Of the 15 highest single game TOI among forwards this season, he has 6. Stutzle has 5, Batherson has 2, Tkachuk has 1, Norris has 1. Why is he playing more minutes than any forward not named Stutzle?
In general I agree with you that he should play less, but I don’t have a problem with Giroux’s minutes in a game like last night. Although not sure why he played more than Timmy.

The whole team had no legs and were getting hemmed in, and Giroux is calm under pressure. Him and Norris had multiple good clears last night. If no one is maintaining possession I’d rather have Giroux defending than most.
 

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Glad to see the win, Hamonic was a warrior for us last night and I'm eating crow regarding him. Love how many shots he was blocking.
 

BonHoonLayneCornell

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In general I agree with you that he should play less, but I don’t have a problem with Giroux’s minutes in a game like last night. Although not sure why he played more than Timmy.

The whole team had no legs and were getting hemmed in, and Giroux is calm under pressure. Him and Norris had multiple good clears last night. If no one is maintaining possession I’d rather have Giroux defending than most.
Worth pointing out that Giroux had 2 and a half minutes of pk time Timmy didn't have and only about 30 seconds more total, so really Timmy got more 5 on 5 time. Was also 8-4 on the dot and clearly the main guy they wanted out for big draws. Much ado about nothing imo.

Wow, Celebrini played over 25 minutes. Eklund almost 25 and Zetterlund 23+.
 
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DueDiligence

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Brady only had the one shot, but he had a few more scoring chances that just went wide. He also had two assists on the night.

No hits is odd, because I could have sworn they showed him lay a hit on Celebrini during the intermission talking about how eventful Celebrini's game had been.
You are correct in that Brady laid out Celebrini big time.
And Brady was essential to 3 goals:
On the first goal he made the pass to spring Stu and Gaudette for a 2 on 1.
Second goal while Stu is lying on the ice Brady makes the play to dislodge the puck and take out a Shark player. Stu able to then grab the puck and send it to Batherson who sets up Norris.
On the winning goal Brady is backckecking swats the puck up ice to Stu who sends it in front to Gaudette.

I guess people just want to see what they want to see to fit their narrative.
 

BonHoonLayneCornell

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You are correct in that Brady laid out Celebrini big time.
And Brady was essential to 3 goals:
On the first goal he made the pass to spring Stu and Gaudette for a 2 on 1.
Second goal while Stu is lying on the ice Brady makes the play to dislodge the puck and take out a Shark player. Stu able to then grab the puck and send it to Batherson who sets up Norris.
On the winning goal Brady is backckecking swats the puck up ice to Stu who sends it in front to Gaudette.

I guess people just want to see what they want to see to fit their narrative.
I was impressed by his effort in the D zone more than anything. He was hungry.
 

bicboi64

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NHL.com and Yahoo fantasy are both wack, Tkachuk clearly had at least one hit last night but both sites show only 1 lol
 

Micklebot

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Even if you gave him credit for a hit, he's averaging close to 5 shots and 5 hits per game. Still an underwhelming overall performance. He had some decent moments, I'm not taking that away from him, but he didn't have a good game.
The entire team didn't have a good game, it's hard to get shots when your line gets hemmed in,

That said; Here's his 5v5 on ice stat line:
66.CF%, 70SH%, 79.65xGF%, 100%GF%

He also led the team in iCF at 6 (the sharks leader had 7) SCF at 3 (SJ leader had 4) and HDCF at 1 (SJ leader had 4).

So, while he didn't get his shots on net, he was around the net.

I noticed that, celebrini looked great last night. But for the 35 min he wasn't on the ice we still got killed. Their 6 Dmen registered more shots than our 12 forwards.
Nobody is saying we played well last night, we didn't. What I am saying is that framing them as the worst team in the league lacks context. Him being in the lineup slots all their centers down a notch, they are the definition of better than their record when he's healthy. Imagine us without Stutzle, we'd be awful too.
 

bicboi64

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Why is Giroux, a 37yo, leading all forwards in ice time last night? Of the 15 highest single game TOI among forwards this season, he has 6. Stutzle has 5, Batherson has 2, Tkachuk has 1, Norris has 1. Why is he playing more minutes than any forward not named Stutzle?
Giroux is top 3 for PK and ES time, and 6th in terms of PP time.

I think its because he's our bast FO guy. His ice time might start going down when Stu gets better at faceoffs
 

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